SREBRENICA IS STARTING TO BE PROVED TO BE HOAX…BUT REMEMBER THAT IT IS THE SAME AS THE WAR ON GADHAFI

You cannot prevent the truth from coming out and this article by Julia Gorin, essentially about Srebrenica, and its introduction by Pamela Geller, is part of the truth about this greatest hoax of our times, if not of all time, getting abroad.

 

Gorin is right, the fact that this important news source, “Russia Today” is questioning the evidence of Srebrenica is a major blow against the Oliver Kamms and the others who have labelled those of us, especially 4international, as “genocide deniers”

 

There are two facts which 4international has continually emphasised; perhaps I would add one other to the following two:

 

1.     The very weighty “Dutch Report” clearly stated that they could find not ONE eye witness to say they SAW one murder by a Serb soldier when the Serbs entered the Srebrenica town

2.     The only “evidence” was the “evidence” of the supergrass Drazen Erdemovic who claimed in The Hague Kangaroo Court that he and 7 others murdered 1200 Muslims in a farm. But the prosecutors only called Erdemovic and not the 7 others, one of whom was the commander of Erdemovic, to give evidence at their Hague kangaroo Court. Suspicious or what!

3.     And the third point which really never should be left out is that journalists reported seeing Bin Laden being entertained at the court of the leader of the Muslims in Bosnia, Izetbegovic, in the early 1990s, as he was on his way to assembling the team who carried out the atrocity in New York, some years later. Many of these killers were trained in Bosnia linked to Iran.

 

(begin excerpt from 4international here)

 

According to the report, while Prentice was waiting in Izetbegovic’s foyer for an interview she, and a journalist from Germany’s Der Speigel, “saw Osama bin Laden being escorted into Izetbegovic’s office… needless to say this evidence did not sit well with the tribunal.”

 

Prentice was by no means the first to make the bin Laden-Bosnia connection. Izetbegovic’s plans for making Bosnia an Islamic state were long known, and the fact that there was a strong foreign mujahedin presence in Bosnia, would both indicate that her squelched testimony was highly relevant indeed.

 

However, as in all the other tribunals designed to bolster the Official Truth established by government interests – not least of all the 9/11 Commission – evidence such as hers is blotted out immediately or blocked in advance.

 

And vitally, the mass media has lost interest too, now that the “good news” has stopped flowing in like it used to, when the prosecution against Milosevic had the momentum. Since the former Yugoslav president has taken the offensive, however, Western media coverage has stopped altogether, expect for the occasional report fearing that his various illnesses might interfere with “justice” being done.

(from an article Eve Ann Prentice

 

 

These are the issues and it is on these key issues that the disinformation is concentrated.

 

For example, following the arrest of Ratko Mladic, who is actually nothing more than a Serb Christian patriot thrown against his will into a fight for survival against the Islamic Jihad which is in alliance with a western capitalist elite, the website in London called “Harry’s Place” ran several articles, with extensive comments, but not once was reference made to the key document in all of this, that is the book by Germinal Civikov, written in German but translated now into English, so there is no excuse, which clearly proves that there is no evidence provided except the “evidence” of this supergrass of the Balkans, Erdemovic

 

What happens is this and it happened time and time again in the North of Ireland:

 

  1. 1.     Get somebody with a shady past
  2. 2.     Offer him or her salvation (meaning keep out of prison)
  3. 3.     Sugar the pill, a life elsewhere, money in the currency of new residency, job etc.

Having done that the supergrass becomes an empty vessel, and the evidential operation runs along these lines:

 

STEP NUMBER ONE…Special Branch pours “evidence” in one end

 

STEP NUMBER TWO…The supergrass appears for his day in court and the “evidence” emerges out the other end

 

We on 4international have said this all along. Now that the great freedom fighter Pamela Geller is taking up the issue things will change, a lot.

 

Expect sustained campaign of hatred directed at Geller. Now that Geller is on board it will be harder to “ignore” Gorin.

 

Also, in direct proportion to the success of the truth coming out, expect also the direct murder of Ratko Mladic, just as Slobodan Milosevic was also murdered in his Hague Prison, by poisoning. In other words Geller and Gorin are confronting an enemy which although bankrupt, is very dangerous.

 

For the First Time upon the Capture of a Wanted Serb, a News Broadcast Questions the Evidence

A crack in the wall of disinformation and lies in the ongoing blood libel against the Christian Serbs. The lie must be protected at any and all costs. Cowardly clowns like Jeffrey Goldberg pile on to score points with the propagandists and smear merchants (of which he prides himself of being). This faux Jew calls me a “genocide denier.” These anti-intellectuals disregard concretes and claim that the widely disputed and inflated figure of some eight thousand (though many say it was hundreds) dead is a “genocide. ” Though little is made of the “genocide” of Christians that precipitated defensive action.

The murder of six million Jews is genocide.

The slaughter of millions of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians genocide of millions is “genocide.” But do not dare use that word. You can’t call the Islamic slaughter of millions “genocide” because …….. it will offend the ummah. As for Jeff the JINO, Jews must protect ourselves from these enemies (cowardly liars)  masquerading as landsmen.

For the First Time upon the Capture of a Wanted Serb, a News Broadcast Questions the Evidence Julia Gorin

OK, so it’s “Russia Today” — and will therefore be blindly dismissed by most Americans — but I nonetheless have to take note of the fact that this is the first time, to my knowledge, that any news broadcast has had the audacity to report the paltriness of the evidence against an accused Serb upon his capture, rather than “tastefully” joining in on the anti-Serb wilding.

This means the information is finally getting out, including the fact that DNA CANNOT tell you the cause or manner of death. Here are the RT broadcasts, with the highlights appearing in print:

“Tribunal toys with body of evidence in Mladic case

REPORTER: …The Hague tribunal does have a lot of evidence regarding the massacre, but is all of it valid? […]

STEFAN KARGANOVIC (of the Srebrenica Historical Project): The forensic evidence certainly does not support the extravagant charges of 8,000 victims, and much of the evidence of legitimate combat deaths that occurred during that period is studiously ignored by the Hague tribunal and by the press because they have to do it if they are to bolster the number of casualties to come somewhat closer to the target figure of 8,000.

REPORTER: There are questions about the way the evidence has been interpreted. For instance with the autopsy reports. The ICTY presents 3,568 reports as corresponding to 3,568 bodies. But many researchers who went through the files say most of them are body parts, which means a lot less [sic: fewer] people.

ALEKSANDAR PAVIC (Balkans and ICTY observer): The Hague always has kind of done things as they go along. It’s been an improvisation. They’ve changed indictments on people. They’ve written indictments on people who have actually been already exported to the Hague. Meaning, first you get arrested and then you get an indictment. That’s the way the Hague works. So it won’t be a surprise if they adjust the indictment a few more times. They did it with Milosevic, they did it with others, they’ve done it with Seselj. So it’s just standard procedure with the Hague tribunal.

REPORTER: So the ICTY may well find itself in a tight spot again. More and more people are criticizing their lack of objectivity, and they have yet to complete a high-profile case…

Next was a June 4 broadcast, which appeared in two different edits:

 

 

REPORTER: …Despite the claims of 8,000 murdered men and boys, many of those who have studied those documents say that most of the reports actually concern body parts. They also say that there is no discernible way to determine which of those people died as a result of the Balkans war.

MARKO GASIC (Balkans expert): Those original figures of 8,000 came about from the Izetbegovic Islamist side. They were prepared in advance. Thousands of people were hidden, soldiers, and redrafted back into the Bosnian Islamist forces without their families even being informed. So there is certainly a great deal of exaggeration in this figure…This tribunal, you should remember, is not a court — it is a tribunal, with all the dubious ad-hoc quasi-legal procedures that that can involve. The Guantanamo Bay of Europe where people are held for years without trial, waiting for trial, when their verdict is known in advance. In fact, it’s even worse than the Guantanamo Bay of Europe, because at least there at Guantanamo Bay the judges know what the rules are. At the Hague tribunal, the kangaroo court, the rules are worked out as they go along, and always at the expense of the Serbs. […]

Note: I’ve never been too concerned with the Guantanamo Bay facility or how the “people” there are adjudicated; however, I appreciate Mr. Gasic being honest enough to at least make the distinction he does.

The other edit:

…GASIC (holding up a few documents): Here you have pictures of people’s graves who were on the list in the Srebrenica Missing, as it were, and they died in previous years. Or there are people here, again who died in previous years, who are on the Srebrenica list of missing-presumed-killed by the Serbs.

REPORTER: It’s impossible to talk about Srebrenica and not mention all the other atrocities that took place here. This is Srebrenica; just a few miles out is the village of Kravica where Bosnian-Muslim general Naser Oric literally wiped out the entire village. Throughout two years, Naser Oric tore through the region of Sreb destroying at least 150 villages and massacring over 3500 people, so the case against Mladic…does seem to be biased…The very prominent cases of course concerned mostly Serb generals….[Oric] was cleared by the Hague tribunal of all charges, so these fears of the Hague’s inability to be objective do seem to be substantiated.

The reporter also makes the key point that the Hague, for all the universally deferential citing of its rulings and “judgments” — as if they’re legally legitimate and adhere to a Western understanding of jurisprudence — is a political tool, not a legal one.

The only additional point I would make about the reporting is that she cites the “3,500″ figure in reference to the number of Serbs killed in and around Srebrenica. The opposing figure is closer to 1,500, and what accounts for the difference is something Stefan Karganovic — who goes with the smaller figure — explained to me. The higher figure includes the deaths at Bratunac in 1992, before the Srebrenica enclave was set up and therefore a separate chapter, as he sees it:

I was raised in the US and everything I do I try to be fair and honest about it, and not just push a tribal “truth.” Bratunac was under Serbian control throughout the war, although Moslem lines were just a short walk away. The only time Bratunac Serbs paid with their lives was in 1992 when Moslems, who had been arming themselves way before the conflict actually started, tried to stage an armed takeover there, as they did in a number of other communities, and failed. But that was before the Srebrenica enclave was set up and the carnage in the villages surrounding Srebrenica began. Our focus is on deaths that resulted from attacks originating from Srebrenica. I am trying to keep things separate on the Serbian side, just as I am insisting that Moslems keep their legitimate column casualties separate from execution victims. Balkan people are great at twisting everything to fit their agenda, but I was not brought up in the Balkans.

Meanwhile, I learned yesterday that even with all the pro-Muslim shenanigans at the Hague for the past 20 years, the Congress of North American Bosniaks, the Institute for Genocide Research Canada (IRGC), and the Australian Council of Bosnian Herzegovina Organizations (ACBHO) “request that the ICTY Court remove Judge Flügge from his role in the proceedings against Ratko Mladic, or in any case dealing specifically with charges of genocide. We are surprised that Judge Flügge would be once again assigned to a case dealing with charges of genocide due to his unapologetic comments in 2009 in the German weekly magazine “Der Spiegel” in which he openly questioned the classification of Srebrenica genocide.”

Now, if you read the Der Spiegel story, you’ll see that the judge holds all the typical, “correct,” pro-Muslim opinions about the Balkans wars. Not good enough! Why? Because he said it’s not any better to kill people because they all happen to be in a particular location than to kill them because of who they are — basically a statement against the legal classification “hate crime.” Which, if one thinks back a decade, had a lot of opponents who questioned whether the law should consider it worse to kill someone because you hate him than because the victim is, for example, elderly and an easy target to rob and kill.

But, again, the Muslims desperately need their genocide, and Flugge has the gall to deprive them of it. Not only did the judge commit the unforgivable sin, he added insult to injury by adding, “Strictly speaking, the term genocide only fits to the Holocaust.” Which, off the bat, negates the whole point of the whole exercise of the hard-won “genocide.” (Equal political footing with Jews, whom they see as deriving much of their sympathy and clout from the Holocaust.)

Never mind that he still grants them mass murder, a greater crime than what actually happened, and never mind that everything has been going their way for 20 years at the Hague — this guy’s gotta go!

Joining this judge in running afoul of Bosnian Muslims is an Ottawa Sun columnist named Michael Coren, against whom one of the above-named groups (IRGC) sent a letter of protest to the editors. Never mind that his Thursday column began with the following dutiful paragraph:

I don’t think any civilized and informed person either condemns or doubts the reason why Ratko Mladic was arrested by Serbian security forces, and handed over to an international war crimes trial in The Hague. He is alleged to have led a force that slaughtered 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys, and almost certainly did so.

It’s what the rest of his article showed he understood, that got to them:

Why are the Serbs the only ones targeted, [Mladic supporters] say, and why does the west, for example, not deal with the Islamic terror groups in Kosovo, and with Serbs being pushed from their homes in that troubled region?

They have a point. Washington and Europe have been enormously selective in their morality, and some of this is likely connected to the Americans and British in particular wanting to show the Islamic world that they care for the safety and plight of the world’s Muslims.

If so, they are incredibly naive.

Various Arab leaders may talk about the suffering of their fellow Muslims, but it is in fact their fellow Muslims who they themselves treat so badly on a regular basis.

The Serbian Orthodox nationalist Mladic may well have murdered 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia, but Hafez al-Assad, the father of the current Syrian leader, killed more Muslims than that in a single day when he wanted to demonstrate his authority and dissuade his people from revolution.

Boy Assad, the weak son, has probably gone past the 1,000 mark now, as he kills innocent people who even attend a funeral for a fallen protestor.

The Jordanian government is one of the more reasonable in the Islamic world, but in 1970 it killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, and the Arab nationalist icon General Nasser gassed entire villages in Yemen…The arrest of a Serb warlord is irrelevant to people who have no concern for their own, let alone for others.

If I were a Serb, I’d feel a little angry. As an unaligned commentator, I’m absolutely disgusted.

What Flugge and Coren seem to be almost alone in not having learned: Even minimal dissent will not be tolerated. Look around, guys — do you see any anywhere? That’s why even non-dissenting dissent like yours has kicked up a shit storm.

As for you specifically, Coren: No one has ever had the audacity to put themselves in the Serbs’ shoes, so don’t think of starting now. Speaking of which, why are you trying to do your own thinking on this? It’s been done for you, and so far everyone’s happy with it.

In closing, let’s notice that Coren has hit on yet another Israel-Serbia commonality: the fixation on Israeli/Serb behavior in the face of incomparably more numerous and heinous crimes by truly terrifying regimes, most notably those of Muslim governments against Muslims.

That Coren was able to notice in regard to Serbia what so far has only been noticed in regard to Israel is to his additional credit

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/06/for-the-first-time-upon-the-capture-of-a-wanted-serb-a-news-broadcast-questions-the-evidence.html

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2644

The key Germinal Civilov book about Erdemovic is on

http://www.scribd.com/doc/45003051/Srebrenica-The-Star-Witness-Germinal-Civikov-Edward-S-Herman-Stefan-Karganovic

This book is brilliant. It details basically the making of a supergrass. The name of the supergrass who is so critical to the whole Srebrenica Massacre story and Case in the Hague is Drazen Erdemovic.

Without the “evidence” of this supergrass, as the weighty and respectable Dutch Report made clear, there is not one iota of evidence that the Serb soldiers on capturing Srebrenica murdered a single Muslim. They fought a battle yes, but carried out murders…no!

Mladic and all the other Serb prisoners in the Hague and elsewhere are innocent. They must be freed at once.

Meanwhile Nasir Oric and other Jihadists are walking about ikn freedom, with heads held high, protected by the international lie machine, the same lie machine that is threatening Mubarak with execution at the hands of The Muslim Brotherhood, and threatening thanks to Cameron et al the very life of Muammar Gadhafi, in the cruel bombing (by the great RAF) of Tripoli…IT IS ALL THE SAME BATTLE

LIARS OF HARRY’S PLACE…SCARED STIFF OVER IMPLICATIONS OF CIVIKOV BOOK ON THE SREBRENICA HOAX

The liars at Harry’s place are continuing to hide the vital book on Srebrenica by Civikov

 

NAME OF THIS GUY IS Aymenn Jawad Al Tamimi

 

Not one word of Civikov in his article on

 http://hurryupharry.org/2011/06/01/ratko-mladic-and-myths-of-the-bosnian-war/

 

We found out that this guy did not answer basic questions on Jihadwatch. Now he appears on Harry’s Place, still not answering any questions, this time about the questions posed by Civikov’s book

When you find a book being obscured you know there is something rotten

 

Anyway his name is

 

You will find in Civikov important information on how the Prosecution at the ICTY constructed their case that the Serbs murdered 8000 in Srebrenica.

 

It appears that the prosecution case was based on the evidence of little more than a sujpergrass, who goes by the name of Drazen Erdemovic

 

The book by Germinal Civikov is important and you will find important information on pages 26 and 27

 

 

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51220592/Germinal-Civikov-Srebrenica-Star-Witness

 

 

 

According to Erdemovic he joined 7 others at a farm and in charge was Commander Branjo Gojkovic

 

 

From 10.00am until 3pm they shot 1200 civilians

 

 

It has been questioned by Civikov if this was physically possible as the prisoners arrived by bus and were shot in batches…they certainly had to be efficient

 

That is not my question though.

 

My question is why was commander Branjo Gojkovic not charged at the ICTY, and not even questioned it seems?

 

Nor any of the other 7 associates of Erdemovic

 

Could the answer be that Erdemovic has the same stature as that other well known supergrass Christopher Black of North of Ireland record.

 

The implication being that the evidence of supergrass is by its very nature bought and paid for, and exists inside a sealed system.

 

In other words the supergrass becomes the empty vessel of the prosecution into which they pour the evidence, whatever evidence they see fit to pour.

 

They did not prosecute the other “murderers”, of 1200 souls!!!, because they did not wish any cross contamination or contradictions hard to explain to arise.

 

This is the strangest dammed thing that you ever experienced in the world of law and prosecution. Or anywhere.

 

The crime in question as far as the Hague kangaroo Court…the murder by Serbs of 1200 Muslims, at a lonely farm, by shooting in batches

 

The Prosecution at the Hague know then names of all 7 Serb soldiers and the 2 superior officers.

 

They pick one of these, an unstable character with a bad past. They prosecute only this guy…Erdemovic of course.

 

Why not follow them all? the crime is not small, 12oo Muslims.

 

They just go for one guy, who is not even in command, but appears as a reluctant killer, according to himself.

 

Why are the rest of the 7 and the 2 higher up walking around free as the birds?

 

These are the questions that Civikov, based on the evidence which was given at the ICTY itself, asks

 

Perhaps they thought that the crime, the killing of the 1200, was not so big, but that is an ABSURD IDEA.

 

The whole programme of the ICTY is that it was a monstrous crime.

 

The writers and commenters on Harry’s Place certainly think so and their invective against the bestial Serbs is really something.

 

One called Alex mcPherson draws a parallel from this killing of 1200 to the kiolling of a million Jews in open field situation pre Wannsee

 

So they know a lot these guys in Harry’s Place.

 

But they do not seem to know enough to be able to answer the simple question posed by Civilov

 

Why did they prosecute only Erdemovic?

 

A simple question but very difficult for these liars, professional liars, to answer.

THE GREAT GRAND HOAX OF SREBRENICA…HOW THEY MADE PATHOLOGICAL LYING INTO AN ART FORM

A READER WRITES TO 4INTERNATIONAL:

 

Before that letter let’s put this in context

 

This letter to 4international is based on how reality always works itself out and in the end does contradict the lies of those who construct conspiracies.

As has been noted very often the main lie about Srebrenica was the number 8000. Many have wondered “Why 8000?”

In this sense the number means little. What gives meaning to the whole thing is the non-stop propaganda churned out by the Media around this event

Remember that I looked into how the Irish Times treated the story. For months on The Irish Times there was no mention at all of any massacre, never mind numbers.

Then as if from nowhere this figure of 8000 began to be included in stories.

I noted at that time something like 3 main stories per fortnight on The Srebrenica Massacre. Given that was repeated in all of this worldwide Media you have literally hundreds of thousands, maybe more, of this story of 8000 massacred in Srebrenica, until the point of saturation is reached where it is taken as something akin to the Four Gospels of Christian tradition

But there was a real history in Srebrenica.

The US did need the creation of a “massacre” in order to swing American public opinion behind US full intervention, to attack Serbia and to remove the Serbs as an oppositional force.

And this need to intervene, a neocons project as part of a much wider neocons project, led on to these actions in Srebrenica.

Keep that in mind A MASSACRE HAD TO BE CREATED

It could be a REAL MASSACRE or a VIRTUAL MASSACRE

Remember that I read the official Dutch report on Srebrenica (Dutch report because Dutch Soldiers were widely blamed) and that report made up by very sober Dutch investigative and learned types stated clearly that they found no evidence that the Serb soldiers murdered anybody in malice. I stand by that position.

As to the evidence of Erdymovic, well he was a supergrass, bought, paid for, owned, by the Hague Liars

Remember that if as I think the Serb soldiers killed nobody in malice (in battle of course yes) that the trap was still sprung on the Serbs and then all the liars could go to work

Our reader here for one thing shows that there was a real split in the ranks of the Muslims, that the Muslim leaders in Srebrenica felt betrayed by Izetbegovic and Oric, and that they reacted to this betrayal and slander against them by spilling the beans on that Clinton proposal to Izetbegovic in 1993 to “create” a massacre.

Dear Mr. Quigley,

It’s interesting to go back to these original newspaper articles from the moslem side to see how the Western political and media establishment made pathological lying into an art form.

BOSNIAN MUSLIM NEWSPAPER 1998

<b>”5,000 Muslim Lives for Military Intervention”</b>

(Bosnian moslem newspaper) Dani, Sarajevo, Bosnia-Hercegovina, June 22 1998
Interview with Hakija Meholjic (Moslem), president of Social Democratic Party for Srebrenica, by (Dani reporter) Hasan Hadzic (Moslem)
Hakija Meholjic: We were received there by President Izetbegovic, and immediately after the welcome he asked us: <i>”What do you think about the swap of Srebrenica for Vogosca [a Sarajevo suburb]?”</i> There was a silence for a while and then I said: <i>”Mr. President, if this is a done thing, then you should not have invited us here, because we have to return and face the people and personally accept the burden of that decision.”</i>

Hasan Hadzic: So you rejected Izetbegovic’s decision?

Hakija Meholjic: We rejected it without any discussion. Then he (Izetbegovic) said:

<b><i>”You know, I was offered by Clinton in April 1993 (after the fall of Cerska and Konjevic Polje) that the Chetnik(Bosnian Serb) forces enter Srebrenica, carry out a slaughter of 5,000 Muslims, and then there will be a military intervention.” </b></i>Our delegation was composed of nine people, one among us was from Bratunac and unfortunately he is the only one not alive now, but all the others from the delegation are alive and can confirm this.

http://www.ex-yupress.com/dani/dani2.html

 
JANUARY 1999 INTERVIEW WITH BOSNIAN MUSLIM NEWSPAPER

In a January 18th, 1999 interview with (Bosnian Moslem newspaper) ‘DANI’, Nesib Buric, former member of an ARBiH (Moslem) battalion stationed in Srebrenica, and now Deputy Mayor for Social Security of War Veterans and Disabled Persons in Srebrenica, clearly summed-up the perspective of the local Srebrenica (Moslem) faction within the ARBiH:
<b>”Humane Transfer of Population”</b>

Dani, Sarajevo, Bosnia-Hercegovina, January 18 1999
by Hasan Hadzic (Moslem reporter)

Nesib Buric: “I know that <b>they are now trying to humiliate people from Srebrenica and spread rumors that we supposedly did not fight and were slain while running away from Srebrenica. No one can deny that in the Srebrenica municipality there are 2,000 buried fighters. </b>No one can deny that we set up a large free territory. However, without assistance from outside we could not hold out for long surrounded by the enemy. <b>You can write that I absolutely support the statement by Hakija Meholjic that we were betrayed. </b>Why does not someone refute his assertions with arguments? Instead they are using slander and saying that Hakija was like this and like that. Hakija was among the first people in Srebrenica to pick up a rifle and work on the organization of the resistance. Therefore, he has the right to speak up. <b>Ibran Mustafic and those women do not have the right to make lists for the Hague Tribunal. They do not have any evidence for that.</b> In Srebrenica, Ibran refused to fight and lead a brigade, but turned to his prewar flirt with politics. As far as Hakija is concerned, you can write that every single child from Srebrenica agrees with his statement.”

http://www.ex-yupress.com/dani/dani6.html

Original text in Serbo-Croatian can be read at http://www.bhdani.com/arhiva/1999/93/tekst393.htm

WHICH ALL ADDS UP TO:

In short the Islamist veterans from Srebrenica make a three-fold claim, that:

1) A high-level political decision was made between the leadership in Sarajevo and the Clinton Administration on the fate of the Srebrenica enclave,

2) That the ARBiH militants in the enclave were betrayed by the Izetbegovic regime during the critical days in mid-June 1995 when the enclave was recaptured by the Bosnian Serb army, and that

3) Those killed in Srebrenica were ARBiH soldiers who died during firefights while defending their positions, not fleeing civilians.

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/kilibarda/islamist.htm
 

OUR READER ADDS:

Note by me: If the moslem side claims 2,000 fighters killed in battle in Srebrenica during the previous months and assuming this is true and the Western establishment say they have found 1,900 bodies so far (lets assume for the sake of argument they were all identified as moslems) then that fits fairly well.

    The 3,800 Serbian civilians massacred on the other hand in surrounding villages from the beginning of the war in April ’92 until July ’95 would obviously be ignored.
   

    Take this article for example from the moslem side. It’s no surprise that the Serbs incarcerated at The Hague end up dying of supposed “heart attacks” and “suicide” while under 24/7 video surveillance:

BOSNIAN MUSLIM NEWSPAPER 1996

    <b>”Presidency and Army Command Sacrificed Srebrenica”</b>

    (Bosnian moslem newspaper) Slobodna Bosna, Sarajevo, Bosnia-Hercegovina, 7/14/96

    Ibran Mustafic, representative in Bosnian and Federal Parliaments, founder of SDA in Srebrenica and the captive of the Serb Army after the fall of this town, talks about the events about which he had unsuccessfully tried to speak in the Bosnian Parliament.

    (reporter): Who are the people you accuse and the people you don’t trust?

    Ibran Mustafic: <b>Scenario for the betrayal of Srebrenica was consciously prepared.Unfortunately, the Bosnian presidency and the Army command were involved in this business;</b> if you want the names, figure it out yourself. I understood the situation in Srebrenica and, you can trust me on this, had I not been prevented by a group of criminals, many more inhabitants of Srebrenica would be alive today. Had I received an order to attack the Serb army from the demilitarized zone, I would have rejected to carry out that order without thinking and would have asked the person who had issued that order to bring his family to Srebrenica so that I can give him a gun and let him <b>stage attacks from the demilitarized zone</b>. I knew that such shameful, calculated moves were leading my people to a catastrophe. <b>The orders came from Sarajevo and Kakanj.</b>

    (reporter): What were the consequences of the <b>attacks staged from the demilitarized zone</b> for the inhabitants of Srebrenica?

    Ibran Mustafic: That was <b>a conscious giving of a pretext to the Serb forces to attack the demilitarized zone.</b>

    (reporter): Who in Srebrenica accepted to carry out those orders?

    Ibran Mustafic: Those individuals who, in the Summer of 1995, without a scratch left Srebrenica (…). It is well known that that team managed to get out and take with along the elderly, children and horses. I can only thank God, that a number of honest people and patriots managed to get out with them. (…) According to our custom when someone finishes the foundations for a house, an animal must be slaughtered on top of them. It seems that Srebrenica was a sacrificial lamb for the foundation of this state.

    (reporter): Do you think that the events would have been different had Srebrenica truly be demilitarized?

    Ibran Mustafic: Had some people then, or later, in 1994 and 1995 accepted to evacuate the people and to concede the territory, that would have represented the public division of Bosnia. It seems that they want to divide this state in a secret, perfidious way.

    (reporter): Who are you talking about?

    Ibran Mustafic: About the official authorities.

    (reporter): Why wasn’t then, as you suggest, Srebrenica surrendered in 1993? What was the goal of such “games” with Srebrenica?

    Ibran Mustafic: The basic goal of that game was the illusionary freedom of Sarajevo and the Bihac region. What hurts the most is the attitude towards the survivors from the Drina valley who were in Srebrenica in July 1995. <b>Present attitude of the authorities towards those people is enough to convince me that the authorities expected that the number of the survivors would be smaller; it seems that the number of survivors is too high for their calculations.They made me say this: <i>”It seems you are afraid of living Srebrenica inhabitants.”</i></b>

    http://www.ex-yupress.com/slobos/slobos4.html

THE ONLY CRIME OF MLADIC WAS THAT HE FOUGHT AGAINST JIHAD ON BEHALF OF THE CHRISTIAN SERB PEOPLE

Srebrenica is really at the centre of our political life today. Let me explain.

 

IT WAS ALL A GIANT LIE

The world was taught that the wars in Yugoslavia were unequal. On one side was the Serb Fascist Expansionist aggressor. On the other side were the victims of this aggressor.

 

When it came to the war in Bosnia Herzegovina this was even more pronounced in the Media as it implanted just this Christian aggressor/Muslim victimhood into the consciousness of the general public.

 

So there is an immediate connection right there to the present.

 

The main factors in this link are Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy and their Media machines.

 

They spin the story that:

Mubarak was the cruel dictator amassing huge fortunes and savaging his people.

 

Then with Mubarak forced to resign the attention switched to Muammar Gadhafi and here the cry was raised everywhere that Gadhafi was attacking “his own people” or was “attacking civilians”. It seems that most people will swallow anything they hear on the Media.

 

But this was what was happening in Yugoslavia, and it is very wrong to create a disconnect between the two.

 

What was hidden was that the leadership of the Bosnian Muslims around Izetbegovic was Jihadist Muslim in their political orientation.

 

Just as the main and strongly organized force in the “Arab Spring” is also Jihadist Islam (The Muslim Brotherhood)

 

Something else happened in Bosnia. The Muslims led by Izetbegovic employed the American public relations firm Ruder Finn, and in the United States this Ruder Finn broadcast repeatedly that the Serbs were Nazis and that they were running concentration camps, just like the Nazis did in the Holocaust.

 

This was the precise and admitted job of Ruder Finn, to paint the Serbs and their leaders as Nazis.

 

It was all a lie. There were no concentration camps. It was a civil war and a war of defence by the Christian Serbs against the Izetbegovic Jihad on Christians.

 

IZETBEGOVIC ADMITTED TO KOUCHNER HE WAS A LIAR

Before he died Izetbegovic admitted to the French diplomat Kouchner that the concentration camp propaganda was just that, a propagandist lie

 

The Srebrenica Massacre emerged out of that, was and is the biggest hoax of all.

 

In fact this Srebrenica Massacre was being talked about 2 years before it happened, in 1993, when Izetbegovic emerged out of a meeting with Bill Clinton, to tell his Islamist colleagues from Srebrenica that Clinton wanted a “massacre” staged, in order that the US could intervene with bombing against the Serbs and Serbia.

 

About Srebrenica we on 4international said and say:

 

There is not one item of proof that the Serbs murdered a single Muslim on retaking Srebrenica

 

A CAREFULLY LAID TRAP

It is true though that…The Serbs walked into a carefully laid trap which involved Izetbegovic and the Jihadist leadership removing the main Muslim Squadrons, and thus the surprised Serbs walked straight in without any fight

It was a trap.

 

From there the lies started and continue today and this is the only significance to the arrest by the “Serbs” of this aged and mentally ill former general Ratko Mladic

 

We will turn the tables on the ruling class and on the Ruder Finn pro Jihad liars here.

 

The real tragedy in the situation is that this proud Army Serb leader has been hounded in the latter part of his life and his only and real crime was that he fought against Jihad on behalf of the Serb Christian people.

LESSONS FOR JEWS

The way that this giant hoax of The Srebrenica massacre is of supreme importance for us all to recognize, but especially for Israel and the Jews.

 

The natural allies of the Jews ARE the Serbs because the Serbs and the Jews suffered together in the Nazi Holocaust, and both Serbs and Jews are linked together in recognition of the previous and precedent setting Armenian Massacre by the Turkish government on defenceless Christians. But Jews, especially American Jews, have got to learn the main lesson which is that the power of American Imperialist ideology is great, and that American Jews and their organizations were largely taken in by the ruder Finn propaganda, and this problem is carried into the present, especially over the destruction of Mubarak and Gadhafi, again being replaced by the equivalent of Izetbegovic, The Muslim Brotherhood. It is also to recognize this strategic alliance between capitalist imperialist power and the forces of Islam, essentially the present day Jihad, which we call the Empire Sharia Alliance. It is real.

AS MUSLIMS FLEE FROM SHARIA RUN SARAJEVO JEWISH LEADERS MUST SPEAK OUT

This should be investigated by all Jewish people, by all Jewish blogs, and in particular by Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch.

If this proves to be the case then it is necessary to make an overall analysis of the whole of the US NATO cum British war against Yugoslavia AND THE PART PLAYED IN THAT WAR BY JEWISH LEADERS AND JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY AMERICAN. Quite simple isn´t it!

Time to fight for principle. Time to fight for uniy between the great Serb and the great historical Jewish peoples.

As we speak the President of the US is LEADING the Jihad against Israel. The recent meeting between Netanyahu and Obama is a holding operation by Netanyahu.

Netanyahu knows very well that Obama is biding his time due to the November elections in America.

After that Obama and US imperialism cum NATO will turn on Israel with a vengeance. Their aim is to destroy the great jewish people and the great jewish Homeland.

The spearhead of this attack and Jihad is the “Palestinians”, this whole concept of Jihad, which is EXACTLY what you had in Bosnia, and do not forget for a second that the Christian Serb Karadzic is on trial in the NATO Hague Court.

Will these Jewish porganizations like Israpundit under Belman remain silent…always silent?

Time for Jewish leaders in America and Israel to speak up!

Bosnian Croats Moving to Republic of Srpska

Jun 19th, 2009 | By De-Construct.net | In Bosnia, Bytes ‘n Bits, Earlier, Former Yugoslavia

Sarajevo today
Sarajevo today, turning into a “European Tehran”

Sarajevo Turning into European Tehran

According to Leo Pločkinić, President of the Mostar-based NGO Croatia Libertas, a growing number of Croat families are selling their property in the capital of the Croat-Muslim federation of post-Dayton Bosnia and Herzegovina, and moving to East Sarajevo municipalities, in the Bosnian Serb Republic (Republika Srpska, RS).

Pločkinić cited the latest example of several Croat families who said they feared for their safety and moved from the Sarajevo settlement Stup to Lukavica in the Serbian part of country, in East Sarajevo.

“A straw that broke the camel’s back and destroyed the last traces of understanding is the behavior of the so-called religious police, which went as far as banishing a pig-shaped toy from the BBI [shopping] center few days ago. That is probably the best summary of modern-day Sarajevo that is slowly but surely turning into a European Tehran,” Pločkinić told Banja Luka daily Fokus.

He said that Sharia Police is nothing new in Bosnian federation, since radical Muslims have been causing headaches for the non-Muslim Sarajevo residents for years. Pločkinić reminded that members of the religious police were openly attacking couples in love and insisting on Bosnian Muslim girls and women being covered, according to the Islamic rules and traditions.

Chief Imam of Sarajevo Mosque wants to Institute Sharia Law

Nezim Halilovic Muderris during war
Nezim Halilovic Muderris during war

“Sharia Police is organized and headed by Nezim Halilovic Muderris, Chief Imam of the Bosnian King Fahd Mosque in Sarajevo. He is openly lobbying for Sharia Law to be institutionalized in Bosnia and Herzegovina, he is the man who greeted with open arms Wahhabis from around the world and it is he who spreads the inter-ethnic hatred and intolerance with his lectures in the mosque. Sarajevo Croats had enough of it already, so they decided to move away, to Republic of Srpska,” Pločkinić said.

While there is no reliable data about the number of Croats who have moved to Republic of Srpska from the federal part of Sarajevo, since “no one will ask property buyers what is their nationality”, Fokus found a notable rise in the number of non-Serb schoolchildren enrolled in Serbian Republic schools.

Mladenka Pandurević, Headmistress of the Grammar school “28 June” in East Sarajevo, confirmed for the daily that 39 students from the Croat-Muslim part of Sarajevo are attending classes in their school.

“Most of them are ethnic Croats. We also have a number of students of Croat nationality from Vogošća, who travel each day from their homes to school. Their parents insisted to have their children enrolled in our school, instead of somewhere in the Federation part of Sarajevo because, as they said, they do not feel their children are safe there,” Pandurević said.

She recalled a father of one of their students, Croat from Vogošća, who asked the school board through tears to allow his child to attend the Serb school in East Sarajevo. He told them his daughter was enrolled in a purely Muslim class in the Bosnian-Croat federation. After learning about the experience other parents of Croat nationality had with their children being shunned and verbally abused by the Muslim students, “the caring father wanted to spare his daughter the anguish”, Pandurević said.

http://de-construct.net/?p=6690

UNITE JEWS AND SERBS. DO NOT ALLOW THE ENEMY TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Here has grown up a body of opinion in support of Israel and another body of support of Yugoslavia. It is necessary to unite these consciously in a mass movement against Imperialism and Islam. The struggle of the Jews is the struggle of the Serbs and vice versa.

Tim Pat Coogan is a very big figure in Irish ruling class circles. He has written books, of whatever quality the reader can decide, is part of the Irish “Establishment”, a person who Media producers have on the list to invite regularly on TV and Radio.

These circles are now doing a switch, from the Holocaust Denier Abbas, because Abbas is ineffectual, to support for Hamas. This is what Coogan has done.

So has Obama. They are all now on side with Hamas. There is a direct link to the destruction of Yugoslavia, to the creation of fake “massacrers”, to the hatred whipped up against the Serbs and precisely this.

It is now the turn of the Jews.

Just days ago this is the leader of Hamas, and is the group that Coogan and Obama want people to support, and to bring into the “process” in the same way they did with the IRA.

This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land.

(full extract below)

That is the central issue. That Obama and Coogan support THAT!

Leave aside that the Good Friday Agreement allowed out of prison in an Amnesty both Loyalist and IRA known killers. That is a terrible thing to the people who had their loved relatives murdered by these groups.

Leave that aside because the argument of Coogan is false. The IRA is not the antisemites of the Arab League, nor did the IRA ever have such an ideology of antisemitism behind it. While the protestant killers were never offensive, they were always defending, against the IRA onslaught. They were ruthless killers but not the same as the Jihad.

Coogan makes the comparision but there is none.

What was ranged against the Serbs and now against the Jews of Israel was essentially the Jihad, that doctrine which is essentially geo-political.

The Jihad aims to control all of the geographical area of the world.

It uses the “salami” approach, which is divide and conquer, and every strip that you gain – hold on to it and seek for more.

That technique is what was ranged against the Serb Christians all over Yugoslavia, especially  the Krajina, where the Croatian Fascists in the 1939 to 45 period were in alliance with Hitler, who was in alliance with the Islamic Jihad, concretized in his alliance with the Arab Palestinian monster hajj Amin el Husseini.

The whole approach of Izetbegovic in all of the 1990s, who was an associate of Hajj Amin el Husseini in that 1939-45 historical period, was to destroy Serbia in order to create a unitary Islamist Bosnian state, with NO Christians present.

Kosovo is also obviously a form of this “Salami” technique of warfare, from a Serb majority, to roughly equal pre war, to now with only 5 per cent of the population Serb Christian, 95 per cent Muslim.

There can be no more graphic example of Jihad than Kosovo!

In supporting Hamas Coogan is now so obviously also supporting Iran. Here is where small time Irish politics meets on the same ground as does Conspiracy Theorists

This is a swamp. In this situation the theory and practice of 4international is cutting through this muck.

We insist that we are moving into new forms of rule. State Fascism where bodies like the US, British Imperialism, the EU, UN and NATO operate without any rules on the international stage. This is what the ICTY Court in the Hague represents.

There is no mass movement in existence to back up this pretence of power and the ruling class needs such a mass movement.

In the absence of a mass movement of Fascist thugs taking over the streets as did the Nazis, the rulers in countries like the US and Britain have turned towards bodies such as Islam. In the Middle East this has meant building up the PA and now more and more Hamas. Big sections of the American military are backing not only Hamas but also Hizbullah. In Afghanistan all the signs are there that the Taliban will be also brought in from the cold and that they will have their hand on power, so leaving women and minorities once more at their mercy. Essentially it means: Those who gloried (danced in the streets) on hearing of the attack on the Twin Towers are being placed in power by US and British Imperialism

Up until this point the Jews have fought alone, the Serbs have fought alone.

Any of these leaders who now insist on doing this are indeed nothing less than traitors.

It is absolutely historically vital to join these two great struggles together in a major battle against Imperialism and Islam.

This is the role of 4international. You must join with us and enable us to conduct this great struggle for unity of the Serbs and Jews.

The danger in the following from Hamas spokesman we insist is not only to the Jews and to Israel. It is to all and especially to Serbs and Serbia:

“Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: Our Plan Is to Establish a Palestinian State Without Recognizing Israel and Without Giving Up the Right of Return,” from MEMRITV, June 15:

Following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, which aired on Future News TV on June 15, 2010:

Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: We have liberated Gaza, but have we recognized Israel? Have we given up our lands occupied in 1948? We demand the liberation of the West Bank, and the establishment of a state in the West Bank and Gaza, with Jerusalem as its capital – but without recognizing [Israel]. This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land.

This is our plan for this stage – to liberate the West Bank and Gaza, without recognizing Israel’s right to a single inch of land, and without giving up the Right of Return for a single Palestinian refugee.

[...]

Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy.

As for the issue of a referendum – [the Palestinian Authority] is ready to impose its position on people by force. Whoever wants to hold a referendum, and believes that he can get all of Palestine for the Palestinians, can hold a referendum, but will not give up the platform of resistance, and the plan to liberate Palestine in its entirety. This is unequivocal.

[...]

If we could liberate the Negev now, we would continue [our military activity], but our capabilities dictate that after we got rid of the Israeli presence in Gaza, we must finish off the remnants of that occupation, and move on to the West Bank.

 

The guy from Hamas is saying: We go on until we wipe Israel off the map. That means killing all Jews.

In the great battles in Yugoslavia this same issue was disguised by the Media.

The aim of

  1. the imperialists
  2. the forces of Islam
  3. reactionary nationalist groups like the Croats and Slovenians

 

was the destruction of Serbian Christianity, because that WAS Yugoslavia. The Serbs were the cement which held Yugoslavia together.

The concept of holding Yugoslavia together as a federation was an entirely progressive one. The aim was the protection of minorities, so that each national minority coold continue to function and not literally be killed.

People must begin to understand that Stalinism, both its Russian Stalin variety, and Chinese Maoist variety, was essentially the revisionism of basic truths and proven concepts of Marxism, such as that there is one unified world economy, placed there by capitalism of course, and there is no going back from that towards “socialism in one country”.

In fact it was the Stalinist Tito who also set about liquidating the basic concepts of the Yugoslavian Federation.

Tito repressed the Serbs and gave everything to the Croats and Islamists of Bosnia and Kosovo.

Rather than Yugoslavia being a federation in which all national units could find a freedom, for the Serbs under Tito it had become a prison.

It was Tito and Stalinism which broke up Yugoslavia. Imperialism and Islam only used the cracks which Tito and Stalinism provided.

Note in the above quote from the Hamas leader there is the deep Fascist aim of destroying Israel, which is inconceivable without another great killing and expulsion of the Jews.

Yet that is the very person and organization now being promoted by Tim Pat Coogan of Ireland, and president Obama and his US War Generals.

That is exactly what happened to the Serbs in Yugoslavia.

  1. The Serbs in Krajina were massacred and sent on the run, their homes taken over by Fascist type Croats. Krajina was not (as is often thought by those who have not bothered to study it) an area of Croatia; rather it was a nation state, a national homeland which dated back to 1400 AD
  2. The Serbs in Bosnia were bombed, massacred and their leaders framed at the ICTY court
  3. The Serbs in Kosovo were driven out

 

Just look at the similarity to the Jews!

 

Such is the severe crisis of leadership among the Jewish people that land is actually being surrendered to the bitter enemy.

This is being done under the banner of “peace”.

Almost exact parallel!

The issue of Yugoslavia for Jews is crucial and is very urgent.

It is a matter of unity. The aim of Imperialism has always been to divide and conquer. In this sense the slogan of unity becomes a great and historical rallying cry for all those in struggles like this. The Serbs showed time and time again that they cried out for unity. Many Jews do likewise.

We on 4international will ask who in the leaders are seeking this unity, and if they oppose it we will ask why!

It is also a matter of education…To understand the means and methods that the enemy uses.

So Jews need to be fully aware that the Serbs on retaking Srebrenica did not murder a single Muslim, even though they were quite in their rights to execute on the spot known murderous fiends like the friends of Izetbegovic, guilty of the most barbarous crimes.

AS WE ON 4INTERNATIONAL WILL SOON PROVE!

Jews must be aware that Srebrenica was and is a giant hoax. That will help Jews to fight against Jenin, the Mohammed El Durra lie, the Dir Yassin lie, Qana etc. It will also prepare Jews in the present and future.

Indeed Yugoslavia raises for Jews the issue of leadership.

During the war against the Serbs three major Jewish organizations called the Serbs Nazis. They joined totally in the repression of the Serbs by Imperialism and Islam.

Clearly those (Jewish) organizations are not the friends of the Jews. They are the enemy of the Jews. But the task is that ordinary Jews see this as it is happening, not afterwards, because in a real sense there is NO afterwards, afterwards in these kinds of struggles is too late.

For this to actually happen we need to build 4international.

Only 4international fights for unity between Jews and Serbs.

THE BBC THIS MORNING KEEP HAMMERING THE BIG LIE OF SREBRENICA

Synopsis

David Rohde is an American journalist who won the Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on the worst massacre in Europe since the Second World War. He describes how he discovered the mass graves of Muslim men near the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.

The BBC has been running a programme on Srebrenica in the “witness” series, centring on David Rohde. The above “synopsis” is how they introduce this latest addition to the “Big Lie”!

If you want to listen it is on their website

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008grpr

I have begun to transcribe this from tape which aired on BBC this morning (being transmitted around the world on the powerful World Service) and will complete the job later. I feel that it is important that this material become known. Naturally as we have said so often on this website the whole story of the “Srebrenica Massacre” was a Big Lie.

The Witness format is very short, just 10 minutes or so, inserted into other material not connected with the Balkans. Being so short is useful for the Big Lie technique, because the process of generalization takes over, and becomes a perfect vehicle for lies.

If you are reading this I hope it is obvious that I have placed comments in upper case, and that there is a narrator, and that I have placed the actual words of David Rohde in italics (the box outline)

Thousands of refugees are Fleeing towards Potocari

In the next few weeks reports of male refugees gone missing and reports started to emerge of Bosnian Serbs hunted them down.

NOTE THE USE OF THE TERMS LIKE “REPORTS OF”…THE BBC STARTS TO BUILD UP ITS LYING FEATURE

The US Secretary of State went to the United Nations to denounce their actions.

THE BBC BRINGS IN THE BIGGEST SINGLE LIAR OF THE WHOLE EPISODE AND PERIOD…MADELEINE ALBRIGHT

“There is a compelling case that there were wide scale atrocities committed in the area against defenceless civilians away from the battlefield area”

“THERE IS A COMPELLING CASE” THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF A LIAR. THAT WAS HER CLAIM. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE PRODUCED AT THAT UN MEETING

Secretary Albright showed satellite images if what appeared to be mass graves near Srebrenica. Those pictures attracted the attention of the young American reporter David Rohde.

OH REALLY! SATELLITE IMAGES! WHAT BECAME OF THOSE SATELLITE IMAGES AND IF THEY WERE SO REAL, SO AUTHENTIC, WHY HAVE NONE OF US EVER SEEN THEM SINCE. WHY HAVE WE AND THE WHOLE  WORLD NOT BEEN BOMBARDED WITH THIS VISUAL PROOF EVERY DAY OF EVERY WEEK SINCE. THE REASON IS SIMPLE. THE PICTURES OF ALBRIGHT WERE PHONEY.

Rohde speaks

“They are sort of before and after pictures of a soccer field that has no disturbed earth and then after the fall of Srebrenica there´s what appears to be large mass graves that have been dug in an area around these soccer fields in a village called Nova Kosiga”

What was driving you at that point?

I´d missed the fall of Srebrenica and I think part of not being there for the fall of the town was what motivated me to be aggressive in doing up the follow up work

 

So he headed for Nova Kasaba (?) and the soccer field

There were basically 4 slots of fresh digging in

There were 2 empty ammunition boxes

I found a piece of paper with some writing on it and it was actually notes from a town meeting in Srebrenica before the town fell

I also found an elementary school diploma that had a Muslim name on it

And the final thing and the most decisive evidence at this first site right in an area where there was fresh diggings

I could see jutting out of the ground part of the decomposing human leg

 

That must have turned your stomach

I was shocked and at one point a truck load of Bosnian soldiers had driven past. Myself and the Serbian journalist had waved at them to not look suspicious

They had continued driving along. It all did not seem real or these could not actually be mass graves

So when I saw the leg I was sort of stunned and it became instantly real

 

David Rohde published a report about his evidence of a mass grave site. His editors at the Christian Science Monitor then allowed him to stick with the story and he headed to a refugee camp where male survivors from Srebrenica had gathered

As he interviewed these witnesses David Rohde realized that there might be more mass graves

“The numbers that the survivors were giving me added up to in the thousands and I found that hard to believe. I thought that maybe hundreds it couldn’t be just as large as they say

But what was so troubling was that it was 9 different several of whom talked about executions. In separate interviews they gave different descriptions of the same site

The testimony of two men particularly stood out.

Described an execution that they had survived, first they were brought to a school and then the groups of men were loaded into the back of a pickup truck about a dozen at a time and then they were driven for about a mile and taken out of the truck. They were blindfolded or partially blindfolded and essentially lined up and  executed and both of them had described as lying under bodies at a time and having ants crawl across them. Mevlutin had hidden under his cousin´s corpse playing dead and at night time they had gotten up and emerged from this pile of corpses and together made their way out of the area and they talked about crossing a railroad tracks so I was personally interested in getting to that site to see if were telling the truth.

He then got help from a Western intelligence Official who marked up a map for him with possible further mass grave sites

More determined than ever to get the story David Rohde headed back alone to the Srebrenica area. He wanted to find the location mentioned by Mevlutin Oric and Hiriam Ciliac

(check on spelling of these names)

It took me quite a while to find it and it was on the other side of railroad tracks and I found this very large swathe of freshly turned earth. Dotted across it there were some berets and some shoes, Bosnian Muslim men tend to wear berets and by searching the woods near that area of fresh digging and found a pile of clothes and there were 3 canes in that pile and that seemed to collaborate what I had been told that older men had been killed and there were also jackets that belonged to civilians so  it would appear that between the fresh digging itself and the clothes and the canes that civilians had been killed at that execution site. As I was driving out I saw that on the other side of the road was a school and essentially everything they had described to me was exactly true

I then set out for the second site which was an earthen dam go there and I saw bones and I was taking out my camera…

(he was arrested)

 

And so on…to be continued

7 july 2010

I will continue transcribing this interview with Rohde which I recorded from radio onto tape this morning from the BBC World Service.

There can be no going back on these lies about Srebrenica by the ruling class.

The Racak lie led on to the bombing of Serbia and Kosovo, and that bombing lies at the very heart of the whole of the NATO lie

This has got very big implications for everybody involved in politics today. We on 4international will never let this go, and we will measure everybody we meet by where they stand on these issues

It is that important to us!