AS MUSLIMS FLEE FROM SHARIA RUN SARAJEVO JEWISH LEADERS MUST SPEAK OUT

This should be investigated by all Jewish people, by all Jewish blogs, and in particular by Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch.

If this proves to be the case then it is necessary to make an overall analysis of the whole of the US NATO cum British war against Yugoslavia AND THE PART PLAYED IN THAT WAR BY JEWISH LEADERS AND JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY AMERICAN. Quite simple isn´t it!

Time to fight for principle. Time to fight for uniy between the great Serb and the great historical Jewish peoples.

As we speak the President of the US is LEADING the Jihad against Israel. The recent meeting between Netanyahu and Obama is a holding operation by Netanyahu.

Netanyahu knows very well that Obama is biding his time due to the November elections in America.

After that Obama and US imperialism cum NATO will turn on Israel with a vengeance. Their aim is to destroy the great jewish people and the great jewish Homeland.

The spearhead of this attack and Jihad is the “Palestinians”, this whole concept of Jihad, which is EXACTLY what you had in Bosnia, and do not forget for a second that the Christian Serb Karadzic is on trial in the NATO Hague Court.

Will these Jewish porganizations like Israpundit under Belman remain silent…always silent?

Time for Jewish leaders in America and Israel to speak up!

Bosnian Croats Moving to Republic of Srpska

Jun 19th, 2009 | By De-Construct.net | In Bosnia, Bytes ‘n Bits, Earlier, Former Yugoslavia

Sarajevo today
Sarajevo today, turning into a “European Tehran”

Sarajevo Turning into European Tehran

According to Leo Pločkinić, President of the Mostar-based NGO Croatia Libertas, a growing number of Croat families are selling their property in the capital of the Croat-Muslim federation of post-Dayton Bosnia and Herzegovina, and moving to East Sarajevo municipalities, in the Bosnian Serb Republic (Republika Srpska, RS).

Pločkinić cited the latest example of several Croat families who said they feared for their safety and moved from the Sarajevo settlement Stup to Lukavica in the Serbian part of country, in East Sarajevo.

“A straw that broke the camel’s back and destroyed the last traces of understanding is the behavior of the so-called religious police, which went as far as banishing a pig-shaped toy from the BBI [shopping] center few days ago. That is probably the best summary of modern-day Sarajevo that is slowly but surely turning into a European Tehran,” Pločkinić told Banja Luka daily Fokus.

He said that Sharia Police is nothing new in Bosnian federation, since radical Muslims have been causing headaches for the non-Muslim Sarajevo residents for years. Pločkinić reminded that members of the religious police were openly attacking couples in love and insisting on Bosnian Muslim girls and women being covered, according to the Islamic rules and traditions.

Chief Imam of Sarajevo Mosque wants to Institute Sharia Law

Nezim Halilovic Muderris during war
Nezim Halilovic Muderris during war

“Sharia Police is organized and headed by Nezim Halilovic Muderris, Chief Imam of the Bosnian King Fahd Mosque in Sarajevo. He is openly lobbying for Sharia Law to be institutionalized in Bosnia and Herzegovina, he is the man who greeted with open arms Wahhabis from around the world and it is he who spreads the inter-ethnic hatred and intolerance with his lectures in the mosque. Sarajevo Croats had enough of it already, so they decided to move away, to Republic of Srpska,” Pločkinić said.

While there is no reliable data about the number of Croats who have moved to Republic of Srpska from the federal part of Sarajevo, since “no one will ask property buyers what is their nationality”, Fokus found a notable rise in the number of non-Serb schoolchildren enrolled in Serbian Republic schools.

Mladenka Pandurević, Headmistress of the Grammar school “28 June” in East Sarajevo, confirmed for the daily that 39 students from the Croat-Muslim part of Sarajevo are attending classes in their school.

“Most of them are ethnic Croats. We also have a number of students of Croat nationality from Vogošća, who travel each day from their homes to school. Their parents insisted to have their children enrolled in our school, instead of somewhere in the Federation part of Sarajevo because, as they said, they do not feel their children are safe there,” Pandurević said.

She recalled a father of one of their students, Croat from Vogošća, who asked the school board through tears to allow his child to attend the Serb school in East Sarajevo. He told them his daughter was enrolled in a purely Muslim class in the Bosnian-Croat federation. After learning about the experience other parents of Croat nationality had with their children being shunned and verbally abused by the Muslim students, “the caring father wanted to spare his daughter the anguish”, Pandurević said.

http://de-construct.net/?p=6690

UNITE JEWS AND SERBS. DO NOT ALLOW THE ENEMY TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Here has grown up a body of opinion in support of Israel and another body of support of Yugoslavia. It is necessary to unite these consciously in a mass movement against Imperialism and Islam. The struggle of the Jews is the struggle of the Serbs and vice versa.

Tim Pat Coogan is a very big figure in Irish ruling class circles. He has written books, of whatever quality the reader can decide, is part of the Irish “Establishment”, a person who Media producers have on the list to invite regularly on TV and Radio.

These circles are now doing a switch, from the Holocaust Denier Abbas, because Abbas is ineffectual, to support for Hamas. This is what Coogan has done.

So has Obama. They are all now on side with Hamas. There is a direct link to the destruction of Yugoslavia, to the creation of fake “massacrers”, to the hatred whipped up against the Serbs and precisely this.

It is now the turn of the Jews.

Just days ago this is the leader of Hamas, and is the group that Coogan and Obama want people to support, and to bring into the “process” in the same way they did with the IRA.

This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land.

(full extract below)

That is the central issue. That Obama and Coogan support THAT!

Leave aside that the Good Friday Agreement allowed out of prison in an Amnesty both Loyalist and IRA known killers. That is a terrible thing to the people who had their loved relatives murdered by these groups.

Leave that aside because the argument of Coogan is false. The IRA is not the antisemites of the Arab League, nor did the IRA ever have such an ideology of antisemitism behind it. While the protestant killers were never offensive, they were always defending, against the IRA onslaught. They were ruthless killers but not the same as the Jihad.

Coogan makes the comparision but there is none.

What was ranged against the Serbs and now against the Jews of Israel was essentially the Jihad, that doctrine which is essentially geo-political.

The Jihad aims to control all of the geographical area of the world.

It uses the “salami” approach, which is divide and conquer, and every strip that you gain – hold on to it and seek for more.

That technique is what was ranged against the Serb Christians all over Yugoslavia, especially  the Krajina, where the Croatian Fascists in the 1939 to 45 period were in alliance with Hitler, who was in alliance with the Islamic Jihad, concretized in his alliance with the Arab Palestinian monster hajj Amin el Husseini.

The whole approach of Izetbegovic in all of the 1990s, who was an associate of Hajj Amin el Husseini in that 1939-45 historical period, was to destroy Serbia in order to create a unitary Islamist Bosnian state, with NO Christians present.

Kosovo is also obviously a form of this “Salami” technique of warfare, from a Serb majority, to roughly equal pre war, to now with only 5 per cent of the population Serb Christian, 95 per cent Muslim.

There can be no more graphic example of Jihad than Kosovo!

In supporting Hamas Coogan is now so obviously also supporting Iran. Here is where small time Irish politics meets on the same ground as does Conspiracy Theorists

This is a swamp. In this situation the theory and practice of 4international is cutting through this muck.

We insist that we are moving into new forms of rule. State Fascism where bodies like the US, British Imperialism, the EU, UN and NATO operate without any rules on the international stage. This is what the ICTY Court in the Hague represents.

There is no mass movement in existence to back up this pretence of power and the ruling class needs such a mass movement.

In the absence of a mass movement of Fascist thugs taking over the streets as did the Nazis, the rulers in countries like the US and Britain have turned towards bodies such as Islam. In the Middle East this has meant building up the PA and now more and more Hamas. Big sections of the American military are backing not only Hamas but also Hizbullah. In Afghanistan all the signs are there that the Taliban will be also brought in from the cold and that they will have their hand on power, so leaving women and minorities once more at their mercy. Essentially it means: Those who gloried (danced in the streets) on hearing of the attack on the Twin Towers are being placed in power by US and British Imperialism

Up until this point the Jews have fought alone, the Serbs have fought alone.

Any of these leaders who now insist on doing this are indeed nothing less than traitors.

It is absolutely historically vital to join these two great struggles together in a major battle against Imperialism and Islam.

This is the role of 4international. You must join with us and enable us to conduct this great struggle for unity of the Serbs and Jews.

The danger in the following from Hamas spokesman we insist is not only to the Jews and to Israel. It is to all and especially to Serbs and Serbia:

“Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: Our Plan Is to Establish a Palestinian State Without Recognizing Israel and Without Giving Up the Right of Return,” from MEMRITV, June 15:

Following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, which aired on Future News TV on June 15, 2010:

Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: We have liberated Gaza, but have we recognized Israel? Have we given up our lands occupied in 1948? We demand the liberation of the West Bank, and the establishment of a state in the West Bank and Gaza, with Jerusalem as its capital – but without recognizing [Israel]. This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land.

This is our plan for this stage – to liberate the West Bank and Gaza, without recognizing Israel’s right to a single inch of land, and without giving up the Right of Return for a single Palestinian refugee.

[...]

Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy.

As for the issue of a referendum – [the Palestinian Authority] is ready to impose its position on people by force. Whoever wants to hold a referendum, and believes that he can get all of Palestine for the Palestinians, can hold a referendum, but will not give up the platform of resistance, and the plan to liberate Palestine in its entirety. This is unequivocal.

[...]

If we could liberate the Negev now, we would continue [our military activity], but our capabilities dictate that after we got rid of the Israeli presence in Gaza, we must finish off the remnants of that occupation, and move on to the West Bank.

 

The guy from Hamas is saying: We go on until we wipe Israel off the map. That means killing all Jews.

In the great battles in Yugoslavia this same issue was disguised by the Media.

The aim of

  1. the imperialists
  2. the forces of Islam
  3. reactionary nationalist groups like the Croats and Slovenians

 

was the destruction of Serbian Christianity, because that WAS Yugoslavia. The Serbs were the cement which held Yugoslavia together.

The concept of holding Yugoslavia together as a federation was an entirely progressive one. The aim was the protection of minorities, so that each national minority coold continue to function and not literally be killed.

People must begin to understand that Stalinism, both its Russian Stalin variety, and Chinese Maoist variety, was essentially the revisionism of basic truths and proven concepts of Marxism, such as that there is one unified world economy, placed there by capitalism of course, and there is no going back from that towards “socialism in one country”.

In fact it was the Stalinist Tito who also set about liquidating the basic concepts of the Yugoslavian Federation.

Tito repressed the Serbs and gave everything to the Croats and Islamists of Bosnia and Kosovo.

Rather than Yugoslavia being a federation in which all national units could find a freedom, for the Serbs under Tito it had become a prison.

It was Tito and Stalinism which broke up Yugoslavia. Imperialism and Islam only used the cracks which Tito and Stalinism provided.

Note in the above quote from the Hamas leader there is the deep Fascist aim of destroying Israel, which is inconceivable without another great killing and expulsion of the Jews.

Yet that is the very person and organization now being promoted by Tim Pat Coogan of Ireland, and president Obama and his US War Generals.

That is exactly what happened to the Serbs in Yugoslavia.

  1. The Serbs in Krajina were massacred and sent on the run, their homes taken over by Fascist type Croats. Krajina was not (as is often thought by those who have not bothered to study it) an area of Croatia; rather it was a nation state, a national homeland which dated back to 1400 AD
  2. The Serbs in Bosnia were bombed, massacred and their leaders framed at the ICTY court
  3. The Serbs in Kosovo were driven out

 

Just look at the similarity to the Jews!

 

Such is the severe crisis of leadership among the Jewish people that land is actually being surrendered to the bitter enemy.

This is being done under the banner of “peace”.

Almost exact parallel!

The issue of Yugoslavia for Jews is crucial and is very urgent.

It is a matter of unity. The aim of Imperialism has always been to divide and conquer. In this sense the slogan of unity becomes a great and historical rallying cry for all those in struggles like this. The Serbs showed time and time again that they cried out for unity. Many Jews do likewise.

We on 4international will ask who in the leaders are seeking this unity, and if they oppose it we will ask why!

It is also a matter of education…To understand the means and methods that the enemy uses.

So Jews need to be fully aware that the Serbs on retaking Srebrenica did not murder a single Muslim, even though they were quite in their rights to execute on the spot known murderous fiends like the friends of Izetbegovic, guilty of the most barbarous crimes.

AS WE ON 4INTERNATIONAL WILL SOON PROVE!

Jews must be aware that Srebrenica was and is a giant hoax. That will help Jews to fight against Jenin, the Mohammed El Durra lie, the Dir Yassin lie, Qana etc. It will also prepare Jews in the present and future.

Indeed Yugoslavia raises for Jews the issue of leadership.

During the war against the Serbs three major Jewish organizations called the Serbs Nazis. They joined totally in the repression of the Serbs by Imperialism and Islam.

Clearly those (Jewish) organizations are not the friends of the Jews. They are the enemy of the Jews. But the task is that ordinary Jews see this as it is happening, not afterwards, because in a real sense there is NO afterwards, afterwards in these kinds of struggles is too late.

For this to actually happen we need to build 4international.

Only 4international fights for unity between Jews and Serbs.

THE BBC THIS MORNING KEEP HAMMERING THE BIG LIE OF SREBRENICA

Synopsis

David Rohde is an American journalist who won the Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on the worst massacre in Europe since the Second World War. He describes how he discovered the mass graves of Muslim men near the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.

The BBC has been running a programme on Srebrenica in the “witness” series, centring on David Rohde. The above “synopsis” is how they introduce this latest addition to the “Big Lie”!

If you want to listen it is on their website

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008grpr

I have begun to transcribe this from tape which aired on BBC this morning (being transmitted around the world on the powerful World Service) and will complete the job later. I feel that it is important that this material become known. Naturally as we have said so often on this website the whole story of the “Srebrenica Massacre” was a Big Lie.

The Witness format is very short, just 10 minutes or so, inserted into other material not connected with the Balkans. Being so short is useful for the Big Lie technique, because the process of generalization takes over, and becomes a perfect vehicle for lies.

If you are reading this I hope it is obvious that I have placed comments in upper case, and that there is a narrator, and that I have placed the actual words of David Rohde in italics (the box outline)

Thousands of refugees are Fleeing towards Potocari

In the next few weeks reports of male refugees gone missing and reports started to emerge of Bosnian Serbs hunted them down.

NOTE THE USE OF THE TERMS LIKE “REPORTS OF”…THE BBC STARTS TO BUILD UP ITS LYING FEATURE

The US Secretary of State went to the United Nations to denounce their actions.

THE BBC BRINGS IN THE BIGGEST SINGLE LIAR OF THE WHOLE EPISODE AND PERIOD…MADELEINE ALBRIGHT

“There is a compelling case that there were wide scale atrocities committed in the area against defenceless civilians away from the battlefield area”

“THERE IS A COMPELLING CASE” THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF A LIAR. THAT WAS HER CLAIM. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE PRODUCED AT THAT UN MEETING

Secretary Albright showed satellite images if what appeared to be mass graves near Srebrenica. Those pictures attracted the attention of the young American reporter David Rohde.

OH REALLY! SATELLITE IMAGES! WHAT BECAME OF THOSE SATELLITE IMAGES AND IF THEY WERE SO REAL, SO AUTHENTIC, WHY HAVE NONE OF US EVER SEEN THEM SINCE. WHY HAVE WE AND THE WHOLE  WORLD NOT BEEN BOMBARDED WITH THIS VISUAL PROOF EVERY DAY OF EVERY WEEK SINCE. THE REASON IS SIMPLE. THE PICTURES OF ALBRIGHT WERE PHONEY.

Rohde speaks

“They are sort of before and after pictures of a soccer field that has no disturbed earth and then after the fall of Srebrenica there´s what appears to be large mass graves that have been dug in an area around these soccer fields in a village called Nova Kosiga”

What was driving you at that point?

I´d missed the fall of Srebrenica and I think part of not being there for the fall of the town was what motivated me to be aggressive in doing up the follow up work

 

So he headed for Nova Kasaba (?) and the soccer field

There were basically 4 slots of fresh digging in

There were 2 empty ammunition boxes

I found a piece of paper with some writing on it and it was actually notes from a town meeting in Srebrenica before the town fell

I also found an elementary school diploma that had a Muslim name on it

And the final thing and the most decisive evidence at this first site right in an area where there was fresh diggings

I could see jutting out of the ground part of the decomposing human leg

 

That must have turned your stomach

I was shocked and at one point a truck load of Bosnian soldiers had driven past. Myself and the Serbian journalist had waved at them to not look suspicious

They had continued driving along. It all did not seem real or these could not actually be mass graves

So when I saw the leg I was sort of stunned and it became instantly real

 

David Rohde published a report about his evidence of a mass grave site. His editors at the Christian Science Monitor then allowed him to stick with the story and he headed to a refugee camp where male survivors from Srebrenica had gathered

As he interviewed these witnesses David Rohde realized that there might be more mass graves

“The numbers that the survivors were giving me added up to in the thousands and I found that hard to believe. I thought that maybe hundreds it couldn’t be just as large as they say

But what was so troubling was that it was 9 different several of whom talked about executions. In separate interviews they gave different descriptions of the same site

The testimony of two men particularly stood out.

Described an execution that they had survived, first they were brought to a school and then the groups of men were loaded into the back of a pickup truck about a dozen at a time and then they were driven for about a mile and taken out of the truck. They were blindfolded or partially blindfolded and essentially lined up and  executed and both of them had described as lying under bodies at a time and having ants crawl across them. Mevlutin had hidden under his cousin´s corpse playing dead and at night time they had gotten up and emerged from this pile of corpses and together made their way out of the area and they talked about crossing a railroad tracks so I was personally interested in getting to that site to see if were telling the truth.

He then got help from a Western intelligence Official who marked up a map for him with possible further mass grave sites

More determined than ever to get the story David Rohde headed back alone to the Srebrenica area. He wanted to find the location mentioned by Mevlutin Oric and Hiriam Ciliac

(check on spelling of these names)

It took me quite a while to find it and it was on the other side of railroad tracks and I found this very large swathe of freshly turned earth. Dotted across it there were some berets and some shoes, Bosnian Muslim men tend to wear berets and by searching the woods near that area of fresh digging and found a pile of clothes and there were 3 canes in that pile and that seemed to collaborate what I had been told that older men had been killed and there were also jackets that belonged to civilians so  it would appear that between the fresh digging itself and the clothes and the canes that civilians had been killed at that execution site. As I was driving out I saw that on the other side of the road was a school and essentially everything they had described to me was exactly true

I then set out for the second site which was an earthen dam go there and I saw bones and I was taking out my camera…

(he was arrested)

 

And so on…to be continued

7 july 2010

I will continue transcribing this interview with Rohde which I recorded from radio onto tape this morning from the BBC World Service.

There can be no going back on these lies about Srebrenica by the ruling class.

The Racak lie led on to the bombing of Serbia and Kosovo, and that bombing lies at the very heart of the whole of the NATO lie

This has got very big implications for everybody involved in politics today. We on 4international will never let this go, and we will measure everybody we meet by where they stand on these issues

It is that important to us!

HOLOCAUST DENIAL LIES AT THE CENTRE OF MUCH REACTION TODAY…ESPECIALLY ON THE “LEFT”

by Felix Quigley

April 23, 2009

Joshua Rosenburg has drawn attention to a recent article by Carl Savich which deals with the antics of a very notorious character (His name is Marko Attila Hoare) and associate of Oliver Kamm of the Times of London, also a close associate of the equally notorious Harry´s Place website. We deal once again with this man going under the very peculiar name, let me repeat it for effect, in case our readers are unfamiliar…Marko Attila Hoare !

This study is all the more important because it deals with aspects of Holocaust Denial.

[Begin study of Marko Attila Hoare here]

British Marxist, anti-Serbian nutjob & former Hague ICTY/NATO employee, Marko Attila Hoare and the Monty Python “Heinrich Himmler” sketch faux pas.

Hoare  is again proven an egregious liar about Alija Izetbegovic’s resurrected Bosnian Muslim Nazi “Handschar” [aka "Handzar"] division in this great article by Serbian-American historian, Carl Savich.

“Fact versus Delusional Fantasy: The Bosnian Muslim Government Reformed the Nazi SS Division Handzar”
http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/?p=518
April 19, 2009 – 12:58 pm
Marko Attila Hoare rejects and suppresses this factual image of Bosnian history in favor of a fantasy or delusional image from a television comedy. The real Heinrich Himmler (Heimlich Bimmler) reviewing the real or “historical” Bosnian Muslim Nazi SS Division Handzar, 1943.

Did the Bosnian Muslim Army and Government reform or recreate the infamous Nazi SS Division Handzar or not? Based on Martko Attila Hoare’s response to my article, Hoare now concedes that, indeed, there was a formation in the Bosnian Muslim Army termed the “Handzar Division”.

Let me reiterate that. Hoare admitted that the Bosnian Muslim Government did indeed reform the Handzar Nazi SS Division of World War II. When you cut through and deconstruct all the indeologically-driven claptrap, innuendo, ad hominen, personal attacks, this is the conclusion that he reaches.

Hoare is so caught up in his own arrogance and conceit that he does not even notice that he admitted this fact.

The issue or question is and always was: Did the Bosnian Muslim Government have a unit in its ranks known as the Handzar Division? Hoare’s reply is: Yes.

 

Marko Attila Hoare used this fantasy image to illustrate his article on the reformed Bosnian Muslim Handzar Nazi SS Division. Michael Palin is shown as Heimlich Bimmler (Heinrich Himmler), John Cleese as Mr. Hilter (Adolf Hitler), and Graham Chapman as Ron Vibbentrop (Joachim von Ribbentrop), from a 1970 episode of Monty Python’s Flying Circus. Reality is rejected over delusional fantasy constructs.

Hoare, nevertheless, convinces himself that he was “vindicated” in denying the existence of the reformed Handzar Division. How does he do this? His rebuttal consists of challenging the strength of the reformed Handzar Division. Now that he admits that it existed, he now challenges the size of the formation. His argument is:  The reformed Handzar Division did exist, as you claimed, but it was very small. It was a little bitty Nazi SS Division, not a big bad full-sized Nazi SS Division!

monty_python_hitler_in_england

The Holocaust as joke? Michael Palin as Heimlich Bimmler (Heinrich Himmler) in a 1970 comedy sketch. Isn’t Hoare a Holocaust denier? Fact: Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims, and Croats played a role in the real Holocaust.

But is this a valid argument? Is someone pregnant or not? Can you be pregnant by degree? Is someone dead or not? Can you be only dead to a small degree? Did the Bosnian Muslim Army recreate the Handzar Division or not? This requires a simple yes or no answer. What Hoare initially challenged and questioned was the existence of the division. To be sure, he hedged his bets and cheated by conceding that the division might exist “conceivably” but that its number was small in size.

Hoare hedged his bets this way: “[I]t is conceivable that there really was a handful of Muslim zealots who, during the recent war, fought on the Bosnian side and grandiloquently named themselves the ‘Handžar Division’ after this historic unit.”

Hoare, in essence, denied that the division existed at all. This was the gist of his article. Now he admits and concedes that it, in fact, existed. Now he argues that the unit or formation was a small one. It is hard to pinpoint exactly what he claimed because he constantly changes his arguments and contentions.

Fact versus delusional fantasy? This is a factual image of the real Henrich Himmler (Heimlich Bimmler) with the real Bosnian Muslim Nazi SS Division Hnadzar which Hoare has suppressed and repressed. Delusional fantasy is more reassuring than factual reality.

A fair characterization of his initial argument was that there was no evidence for the reformation of the Handzar Division. The eyewitness account of military analyst and journalist Robert Fox was deemed not credible. Hoare disingenuously hedged his argument by claiming that “conceivably” it could have existed. The way to translate this argument is:  No, the Handzar Division was not reformed. But, nevertheless, it is possible it may have been reformed. Of course, this is nonsensical and absurd.
 
Hoare then concluded: “Monty Python is a much better source for accurate historical information than Neil Clark and his comrades.”

So was the Handzar Division reformed or not? In his rebuttal to my article, Hoare now admits that the Handzar Division was reformed. He again hedges his bets by claiming this time that it was a small unit formed by “zealots”. But, again, the size of the unit or formation was never the question or issue. If there was a small unit or formation in the U.S. Army or British Army termed the “Adolf Hitler Regiment” or “Das Reich Division”, would it be relevant or material that the unit in question was only made up of “a handful” of “zealots”? Now that the existence of the unit is accepted and acknowledged, the issue shifts to the size of the unit, which is unknown.

Hoare concluded:  “It would seem that the ‘Handžar Division’,  confidently described as numbering ‘about 6,000 troops’ by our friend, does indeed turn out to be a bit smaller when the available evidence is examined closely.”

Hoare here mischaracterized Fox’s original statement by quoting my  estimate of the strength of the unit. Fox stated that UN peacekeeping “officers” had told him that the reformed “Handzar Division” was “up to 6,000-strong.” Fox emphazied that the strength of the unit was an approximation or estimate made by UN observers. Fox refers to the formation as a “unit” and as an element of the Bosnian army. Hoare ignores this explicit language and now argues that Fox claimed that the reformed unit consisted of “about 6,000 troops”.  But nowhere does Fox state that the unit was made up of 6,000 troops. The phrase “up to 6,000-strong” could encompass any number from one member to 6,000 members. Moreover, Hoare ignored that fact that Fox referred to the formation as a “unit” in his report leaving the actual size open to debate. Fox referred to the members of the unit as “Handzars” and as “[h]ardline elements of the Bosnian army, like Handzar.” Fox wrote that the formation was a “unit” of the Bosnian army similar to other units: “The Handzars are working closely with other units around Fojnica. ” But even at 6,000 men, it would only have ranked as a regiment or brigade, which usually consist of up to 5,000 men, not a division, which is generally accepted as a formation of 10,000 men or more.  In short, the focus or emphasis of the Fox report was the existence of the unit, not the size, on which issue Fox only proffered a potential maximum figure that was based on a UN estimate.

Finally, Hoare rejected Fox’s 1993 news report from the London Daily Telegraph out of hand, but this was not done by the Republican Policy Committee of the United States Senate, which cited Fox’s report as credible and accurate. In a January 16, 1997 report, the Committee, chaired at the time by U.S. Senator Larry E. Craig, Republican from Idaho, noted that  “there exists another group known as the Handzar (’dagger’ or ’scimitar’) Division” and quoted from Fox’s report. Thus, members of the U.S. Senate, tasked with safeguarding the lives of U.S. troops, found Fox’s report to be factual, credible, and accurate. Only Marko Attila Hoare questioned the veracity and accuracy of the Fox report. Absurdly, the Bosnian Muslim Government or Army never denied the existence of the reformed “Handzar Division”. Only Hoare has done this. At the war crimes trials of Bosnian Muslim military commanders at the ICTY, the existence of the “Handzar Division” as part of the Bosnian Muslim Army is openly acknowledged and detailed.

The translation is: The Bosnian Muslim Government of Alija Izetbegovic reformed the Nazi SS Division Handzar during the 1992-1995 civil war. This is the only logical conclusion when one cuts through all of Hoare’s labels and propagandistic nomenclature.

Hoare uses a bevy of labels to do the thinking for him: “Serb-nationalists” (yes, with a hyphen!), “Milosevic supporters” (at least Hoare gets the correct pronunciation of his name with the correct Serbo-Croat form of his name), “Islamofascist” (no hyphen, a neologism popular after 9-11), “members of a US-based circle of Milosevic supporters and Srebrenica deniers” (an analogy with Holocaust deniers), “Great Serbia” (a propaganda term coined by Austria-Hungary before World War I), “ex-Maoist” (is that a good or a bad thing?), “Milosevic-supporting, Srebrenica-denying website” (hyphenated now, denoting an activity), “all good Chomskyites” (are there such people as “Chomskyites” out there?), “Serb nationalists and their supporters” (no hyphen;  do “Serb nationalists” have supporters?), “Serb nationalists and their fellow travellers”  (didn’t this term go out with the Joseph McCarthy Communist Witch Hunts during the 1950s Red Scare?), and “the Great Serbia supporters”.

How can one explain this plethora of labels? Why does Hoare use such preposterous and risible labels? We use labels to preclude thought or thinking. Labels are a shortcut to thinking and intellectual debate or discusiion. In fact, labels are meant to preclude or prevent any thought at all. This is why Hoare uses labels. They are mindless and senseless. Why use them then? In essence, Hoare does not want to debate or discuss these issues rationally or logically. He thus engages in the use of labels, what is termed “name calling” in propaganda analysis.  In propaganda, we use “pulpit words” or “glittering words” to describe ourselves and our own actions and the opposite words to describe our opponents. In short, Hoare wants to preclude any thought or debate. This is why he resorts to such propagandistic words. There is no thought or thinking going on, no discussion or debate or dialectic. There is only a stream of pre-selected labels or prejudiced or loaded words. It is like when Polonius asked Hamlet what he was reading:  “Polonius: What do you read, my lord? Hamlet: Words, words, words.”

The case is closed. As Detective Steve McGarrett would say to Detective Danny Williams, “Book ‘em, Danno!”

[end study of Marko Attila Hoare here]

The great strength of this study is that it shows that Marko Attila Hoare is responsible for a great revision of history, which is essentially what he does when he makes a joke about an aspect of the Holocaust in the Balkans.

Let us be very clear here. The Handzar division was a Nazi SS Division, and was created out of the forces of Islam in the Balkans.

To deny that is bad, but to deny as Hoare does that that was recreated by Izetbegovic is the most dangerous of all.

Because if you do that then you are saying that the study by Christopher Simpson in “Blowback” and in all the studies of the actions and words of Ahmadinejad in the present are of no relevance.

That another Holocaust is not possible!

That is the great fact that all on this British Imperialist Labourist wing surrounding Kamm, Harry´s Place, the British Media in total except for one noted journalist Eve Ann Prentice, worked might and main to keep hidden during the 90s and indeed since to this very day!

And that is where the Savich claim about Marko Attila Hoare Holocaust Denial is located. They are all guilty of this.

We on 4international have also met Jewish people who did not want to know about this aspect of history, or like Bill Narvey of Israpundit claimed that it had no relevance to today.

We also think that at the centre of all of the Fascist Leftist posturing of today on Israel lies a deep form of Holocaust Denial.

Behind the antics of people like Sinead Cusack now canvassing for her Israel hating son today in Ireland and wider is another form of truth denial, because what is denied is the situation of the Shoah which made it imperative to found Israel.

In fact all attacks that I see being made on Israel today, whether it is in Fatah and Abbas, in Hamas, in Hizbullah, or Iran…all are forms of Holocaust Denial.

There is another distortion which I would like our readers to understand acutely.

It was Leon Trotsky who emerged in the 1930s as the greatest advocate for Jewish nationalism, which he promoted because he had made a deep study of Fascism, and saw the great danger to the Jews from the Nazis.

For some reason the Lefts and “Trotskyists” have also hidden this aspect of history.

And in a strange way these things have come back together again in the grave danger to the Jews of Israel and all the Jews in the Diaspora from a combination of Fascist Islam and Fascist US Foreign policy (of Bush and Obama)

While we on 4international alone continue to fight to defend the Jews of Israel and insist that Israel has no choice but to wage war on the Iranian Nuclear agenda.

We do not wish this. But like Trotsky in the 1930s we are realistic and we try to emulate the realism of Trotsky re 1930s Fascism in the situation of today.

The essence of Hoare, and essentially also of Harry´s Place, Nick Cohen, Maggie O´Kane et al, in the following

The reformed Handzar Division did exist, as you claimed, but it was very small. It was a little bitty Nazi SS Division, not a big bad full-sized Nazi SS Division!

In their analysis of Marko Attila Hoare, in their insisting on his attempts of making a joke out of the Holocaust in the Balkans showing him as a real danger to Jewish people, Joshua and Carl have brought us a great deal further forward.

THIS JEW HATRED TODAY IS PREPARING THE GROUND FOR A NEW HOLOCAUST OF THE JEWS

by Felix Quigley

February 26, 2009

We on 4international stand totally behind the Jews of the world and of their Homeland Israel.

There has been a huge rise in antisemitism in every part of the world. In Paris 2 years ago a young Jewish person was murdered. In Paris in recent weeks during the Gaza War there has been a massive increase in attacks on Jews.

One of the results is that in Paris the home of the Renaissance Jews have been advised not to go out on the streets after 7 oclock in the evening, and that they should not appear as Jew, meaning to watch what they wear and how they look, headgear etc.

This is due to 2 things.

One is the massive influx of Arabs into France, Arabs who are really Islamists. They are carrying on an invective against Israel.

The second is the role of the modern Media. It was seen in the Mohammed El Durra France 2 affair that the French Media was totally hostile to Israel.

Consequently these antisemitic Arabs in Paris have an unchallenged right to attack Israel politically and Jews physically. Along with that movements which call themselves erroneously “Leftist” are fully joined at the hip with Islam; Marx Lenin and Trotsky are spinning in their graves I am sorry to say.

 

All of these things mean a huge increase in the level of antisemitism.

One of the very worst things which came to a head during the Gaza war was the intense propaganda against Israel. I live in Spain and it was coming from all sides, from the Media and from confused Spanish people, confused by the lies of the Media

Let me go over a few things.

 

1. The Jews withdrew from Gaza. I mean every single last Jew left Gaza and handed the area over to the Arabs. The Jews even left the Arabs property such as green houses which could be used by the Arabs to help them on their way. The Jews also even left synagogues which stripped of the contents Jews look on as mere buildings. But they were sound concrete structures. They could have been used as youth clubs. The Arabs tore them down stone by stone.

2. But then the Arabs of Gaza promptly elected a Fascist Nazi movement of Jew killers, Hamas, who then stepped up their attacks on Israel. Materially with rockets. Verbally by calls to wipe Israel off the map etc. (They are supporters of Ahmadinejad)

IT CAME DOWN TO A CONCRETE PROBLEM…HOW COULD THE JEWS STOP THE ROCKETS

So basically Israel had to decide how to stop the rockets. It is a fact that the Israeli Labourist Kadima Government members were very weak and unpatriotic and allowed Jews to suffer these rockets for many years.

Still that is not my point here.

Those who have attacked Israel must say 2 things

 

1. They must say that Israel has to simply absorb these rocket attacks on their state. This is antisemitism in action. Is that not clear!

2. They must say that Israel must give in to these attacks on its people and follow the agenda of these antisemitic Arab terrorists which means

*pack up their bags and leaving their Homeland set out on their travels around the world once more as a stateless people

*return to the lines of 1967, from where they were attacked actually in 1967 by Nasser and the other Arab states. So why?

Both of these are also obviously antisemitic suggestions to put to Jews.

 

Becoming again a persecuted people is antisemitic suggestion. No?

Returning to lines which the Arabs used to attack before is antisemitic suggestion as well. No?

And in our next part we will look at some of these antisemitic ideas in action in the West of today.

I take the following from the Harry´s Place website despite certain differences with the organizers there

In the first they take a quote from the notorious Israel hater George Galloway. Here Galloway is comparing the Jews to nazis.

“In April and May of 1943, the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto were surrounded by barbed wire fences, by the occupiers of Poland, and they faced a choice, in the words of the song of the partisans: ‘They could die on their knees or they could live forever’. And they chose to rise up against their occupier, to use their bodies as weapons, to dig tunnels, to fight, not to die in ones and twos of hunger and typhus, but to die as free men and women. Today, the Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw Ghetto, and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jews in Warsaw in 1943.”

So in that quote from Galloway it is clear that the Palestinians of Gaza are the Jews of the Holocaust and that the Jews today of tiny Israel are the Nazis

And the same kind of thing is seen in the next set of pictures. There is the attack on Jews as being Nazis and carrying out a Holocaust of the Arabs.

But 1300 Arabs were killed and Hamas killed some of these through executions etc. Also Hamas set up so that the Israelis had to kill civilian Arabs. I mean it is quite possible to do this.

The British Muslim Initiative, one of the organisers of the demonstrations, put it on their placards:

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As did the Palestinian Forum in Britain:

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So this is conscious.

This is an attempt to make the Jews of Israel out to be Nazis.

And this we argue on this site is the preparation for a new Holocaust of the Jews. Nothing ever is as it seems. And when people argue that the Jews are the Nazis of today then that is going to result in a Holocaust of the Jews.

 

It is such an enormous lie that it must have the most severe intent and implications.

YAMIT82…NOBODY IS LAUGHING OUT LOUD

by Felix Quigley

Israpundit is a very important site for the Jewish people especially now that there has to be organized a great discussion on just how Israel can face up to its enemies.

The news which has emerged from a source within the talks going on between the Israeli ruling class of Livni and Olmert, with the Palestinian Arab fascists presided over by the US Imperialists of Bush, led in the talks by Rice, shows the enormous dangers which Israel and the lives of all Jews are in. This is why we on 4international are very critical of some of the discussions that are taking place there. The most recent issue is over the issue of apostasy and the general position of religion in the Jewish strugggle. Nobody really likes tackling this but it has to be tackled head on if we are to have the discussion necessary for the saving of Israel from its enemies. Continue reading

REPORT SHOWS GREAT DANGER TO ISRAEL…BUT ISRAPUNDIT BETRAYS

By Felix Quigley

Israel is now in the greatest danger that it has ever been in during all of its life. We on 4international have repeatedly emphasised that the way in which Yugoslavia was destroyed (wiped off the map) was through an alliance of American, British and German Imperialism which set up reactionary alliances with Fascist/Nazi entities within Yugoslavia. Those entities were the Fascists around Tudjman in Croatia, the Islamofascists in Bosnia around Izetbegovic, and the Thaci/Haradinaj Fascists and Stalinists of Kosovo. Weak on their own, nevertheless the role of US and NATO/EU Imperialism with all of its power, especially Military power linked to Media power, meant that the Serbs were isolated and defeated. Much of this went on behind the scenes, the public were not aware because the public always underestimates the role of conspiracy and secrecy in how the ruling Capitalist class works.

This is the great danger to the Jews today. Continue reading