4international declares enmity to those who do not defend Putin against Imperialism

What is Zionism? Zionism is in its essence the struggle for a Jewish Homeland. We on 4international defend that completely. Is Zionism different from the Irish (to give one example) national liberation movement down the centuries. It is more long lived going back 3000 years but in essence it is the same.

It is becoming clearer that the Capitalist Zionist leaders cannot lead to victory.

These Zionist leaders are now lining up WITH OBAMA and against the national rights of the Russian people, in Russia because that is what the Ukraine issue is all about. The US Government and the EU were up to their necks in intrigue in Ukraine in which they were supporting FASCIST communist haters, also by the way Jew Haters. We have a picture of Victoria Nuland the US Undersecretary of State handing out food treats to these Fascists in the Maidan Square

It is hard not to draw the severest conclusions about all of these Capitalist Zionist leaders from this experience.

4international is a fighter for Zionism but we are indeed disgusted and repelled by the support which Zionist bourgeois leaders are giving to NATO, Kerry, the UN, Obama and Cameron on this issue of Ukraine.

This was the time! This was the time when Jews had to take a principled stand, dismiss the Kerry BBC lies about Russia and Ukraine, and fight to oppose the Fascists who took over the Government of Ukraine illegally. They all failed in their own very miserable way. This is the end of the road for bourgeois Zionism.

This is a signal for all Jews of character to break from these leaders but/and far more important to build 4international as the alternative leadership for the Jews and for all of humanity.
Examples of these Capitalist Zionist leaders are: Israpundit, Jews News, Breitbart, Pamela Geller, Jihadwatch and Frontpagemag.

All of these are in support of Obama and are sticking a knife into the back of Putin on behalf of Obama

There is not ONE statement of principled support for Putin in defence of Russian Rights in the Crimea and indeed in Ukraine against a crisis hit US Imperialism.

Note how CRISIS DRIVEN the US is. They are preparing to take on and defeat a NUCLEAR armed power which is Russia.

Look at the risks they are running there. The US and EU are risking everything by taking on Russia and backing Fascists. The question is what then will Obama not be prepared to do against Israel, which is a far lesser power than Russia.

Yet the nature of Bourgeois Jews like above is that they are so wedded to Capitalism that they MUST drag their sorry bourgeois Zionist asses into the lobby behind the worst Antisemite on the Planet Obama and his Democratic and Republican flunkeys

The crisis in capitalism deepens and we face another major convulsion, we expect over the next 12 months it will be convulsion after convulsion. Warren Buffett is predicting a major economic collapse. That means dictatorship or moves towards dictatorship in EVERY country.

Spain is one of the nearest to dictatorship. Youth unemployment remains 70 per cent and perhaps even more. The Rajoy PP Government says that they are getting better “poco a poco” bit by bit. But the youth in Spain sense that this is a false hope and anyway too slow. Conclusion Spanish capitalism is bankrupt.

UNCONDITIONAL DEFENCE OF PUTIN IS VITAL
This crisis in capitalism means above all war with Russia so that NATO can defeat Russia and destroy Putin, thus breaking the country up into their planned regions. The defence of Putin now becomes as important as was the defence of Milosevic.

Putin meanwhile is caught in the world capitalist trap, since it is a world unified capitalist economy the Russian state is now highly dependent on the export of petrol and gas. But that export keeps on adding to global warming, and in turn that global warming is destroying the Arctic and will cause huge crisis in China, as they use up all available water including from the Glaciers. In California and Spain the water table is lowered continually by drilling and capitalist food production methods are a disaster for humanity..

It adds up to NATO war against Russia. Putin emerges as the Milosevic. He is continually lied against.

This is a major turning point. Any person on my Facebook Friends who does not take an ACTIVE position in defending Russia is going to be defriended by me rapidly. But it goes much further than this and we are not needing just words but the real creation of an alternative in leadership.

Meanwhile we will proceed to put together a real cadre of fighting Trotskyists. State your position now!

UKRAINE SHOWS UP THESE FALSE ZIONIST LEADERS LIKE BELMAN, GELLER AND SPENCER

Jews must break decisively from the Bourgeois and Imperialist Jewish leaders on the issue of Ukraine.
The now notorious Ted Belman who heads Israpundit carried articles from the total US Imperialist Palin on Ukraine.
Then it must be remembered that Belman carries the work on his site of Fascists who call for the murder of communists and especially Trotskyists.
Jews must break decisively from this.

The position of Jews on Ukraine must be the same as the Irish or any other free nation.
1. The coup was organised against the truly elected Government
2. This coup was directed and planned by Washington and the EU with NATO waiting in the wings
3. The first step therefore that Belman does not do is to defend the integrity of Ukraine from this coup
4. The next step to take is to defend the right of Russia to defend itself from this coup in Ukraine because a NATO controlled Ukraine is a direct threat to Russia
5. No more than the Jews facing genocide in 1967 the Russian Government cannot wait, sit back and do nothing.
6. The Russian Government really has no alternative but to go in with its Red Army and take control of the whole of Ukraine, depose the Fascists and return the true and former government to power. Otherwise the world is the “Wild West” where anything goes.
7. The EU cannot solve a single one of the needs of ordinary people today. Mass poverty and unemployment in Portugal, Greece, Spain, Ireland. As Bat Yeor points out growing Islamisation of Europe. Border defences as in Melilla Spain broken down totally. Youth unemployment up to 80 per cent.
8. While we defend Putin he has no answers to this crisis. It is necessary to go back to the socialist revolution of Lenin and Trotsky. The workers, youth and students must take the power from the capitalists, and use science and wealth to create an answer. This means going back to the traditions of Leon Trotsky and affirm that Trotskyism is the answer. Join us. Do not hold back.
9. The defence of Israel becomes very important. Jews who feel under any threat in Ukraine must be enabled by the workers and youth of Ukraine to get to Israel immediately. The defence of Israel against “Palestinian” Fascism thus has to be part of their struggle too.

CAROLINE GLICK IS THE CHEER LEADER FOR US IMPERIALISM AMONG THE JEWS

Yes, oh yes, indeed Ukraine could in a split second happen also to Israel. In Ukraine a bunch of Fascists financed through the US State Department have taken power of the state, and the President who was democratically elected in a democratic bourgeois election has been kicked out. THAT is Fascism is it not? Where bourgeois and parliamentary democracy is dispatched within mere days by means of Fascist bands of men and it seems women on the streets.

 

I open up Israpundit, I open up Pamela Geller, I open up the Jihadwatch of Spencer this morning and there is NOT ONE SYLABLE about the Fascist coup in Ukraine.

 

That can only mean one thing and that is that these flunkies who claim to defend Jews are in favour of this Fascism which is filling our news screens because essentially it strikes a blow against the still memory of the Russian Revolution of 1917. Belman who host Fascists on his site, Geller and Spencer…what chance do Jews have with people like this around!

 

THE RECENT CAROLINE GLICK ARTICLE IS ATROCIOUS

In this theme I have opened up the recent article by Caroline Glick this morning. If ever there was a loose cannon in the Jewish movement then it is Glick. Remember Glick got her political education inside US Imperialist politics. Among many things what struck me in this latest load of old cobblers from Glick is that she is calling for America to arm Japan against China, and she is calling on America to help South Korea to develop Nuclear Arms against North Korea. The essence is that she wants Israel to be the trusted ally of the US Imperialists.

 

She WILL support the Fascists in Ukraine…that is a fairly safe prediction. In other words right there in the centre of the Israeli bloggers is Glick a complete tool of US Imperialism. How could the Jews not go down with that there in place betraying Jewish interests because of her commitment to US Imperialism? She hates Obama because Obama is not Imperialist enough. Bush who removed Saddam and Glick campaigned for the Iraq War is her idol basically. We know that Obama is an Antisemite and a big danger to the Jews, but so was Bush in his Iraq war that Glick supported.

 

GLICK AND JOHN BOLTON

You can learn a lot about this crisis of Jewish leadership in Israel by paying attention to what John Bolton writes, mainly because Bolton is supported by all of these Jewish leaders I write here about,

…I have transcribed a handful of paragraphs from neocon John Bolton who is a big favourite of the above worthies, and it becomes clear what the issue is. The Jews are being led by the nose not just by the criminal traitor Netanyahu, but by a whole coterie of reactionaries. See what you think of what I think of Bolton. Young Jews have to break with this, who in 2014 needs this?

 

Feb 18, 2014 LA Times…John Bolton

 

EXTRACT FROM RECENT ARTICLE BY BOLTON

1…Obama’s first error: misreading your adversary. There was never any chance Iran could be negotiated out of a nuclear weapons capability it has pursued for nearly 30 years. Efforts during the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations demonstrated how Iran deftly uses negotiations to gain political legitimacy, buy time to continue work on its nuclear program and evade international punishment. Hassan Rouhani followed precisely this playbook as Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator 10 years ago. He is doing so again today as Iran’s president.

2…The second error: not knowing who your adversaries are. Obama argued for three years that Russia shared his objective of a peaceful transition from the Assad regime in Syria to something else. This was never true. Moscow’s support for Assad (as well as Iran’s, directly and through Hezbollah) guaranteed he would only depart feet first. The U.S. could either have aided Syria’s opposition or tackled the problem’s root cause: the mullahs’ regime in Tehran. Obama chose to do neither. His equivocation regarding Syria’s chemical weapons program has provoked giggles or dismay at White House weakness.

3…The third error: not knowing who your friends are. The Palestinians lack legitimate governing institutions capable of hard decisions, including making perilous concessions and compromises, and overcoming resistance by Hamas and other terrorists. Without such institutions, no long-term solution is possible. Negotiating with the Palestinian Authority has less substance than negotiating with a hologram. Perversely, however, Obama treats Israel as the problem.

4…Not apprehending these realities or foreseeing their consequences debilitates the United States, discourages its allies and emboldens its adversaries. The coming collapse of all three of Obama’s negotiations will convince foreign governments that his policies are dooming Washington’s Middle East influence to precipitous decline. And since appearance is reality in international politics, America’s ability to influence events — in Egypt for example, where the military government is already reverting to pre-Sadat days, purchasing arms from Russia — will sink further. Moreover, the opportunity costs of not focusing on threats elsewhere, such as China’s belligerent territorial claims in its coastal waters, are enormous.

 

To help us I have numbered these 4 paragraphs extracted from Bolton’s article

 

Bolton pretends to be a friend of Israel. Israeli leaders and Israeli so-called Pundits lap it up from Bolton. A kitten would have much more independence of mind than these Israeli leaders. An example is Belman editor of Israpundit who guests on his now notorious website Israpundit McCarthyite types, real communist haters, real communist bashers. One of their tricks that I object to…they have even named the Israeli traitors like Livni as being “Leftists”, the intent here of Belman types is obvious. It is to put in the minds of Jews the idea that all socialists are traitors. A kind of McCarthyite trick inside the Jewish movement.

But Bolton is no friend. Bolton wants to tie Israel behind US Imperialist policy. The main aim of Bolton and people like Bolton is to support any movement that will attack Russia or China. Why Russia or China? The answer is also obvious. The Bolton types have never forgotten the big shock to their system that was the Russian Revolution of 1917, where the power of the state machine was taken out of the hands of the Russian bourgeoisie and thereby the WORLD capitalist class, and placed in the hands of the workers of Russia, with the peasantry supporting. There is also basic contemporary capitalist international rivalry expressed in Bolton but that is entertwined with the Russian and Chinese Revolutions. It is also why Bolton was supportive of the Joe McCarthy in skirts of  today’s world, Diana West, also supported strongly by Gates of Vienna. These are dangerous waters leading to Fascism, although GOV is not Fascist and is sometimes in opposition to Jihad progressive.

 

Let me return to his Bolton’s article. It is directed towards these Jewish leaders, like Belman of Israpundit, who thinks because he is Jewish that that means that Belman should be listened to with respect. But No! That does not follow at all. Belman gives an open Fascist all the liberty that Fascist needs on his site. In other words Belman covers for a Fascist. Instead look carefully at paragraphs 1 and 2, and there you will discover what Bolton is really about. Bolton is saying that there is an automatic connection or even transition between Iran with its Nuclear Genocidal against the Jews plans, and Assad.

 

But that is false by Bolton. In reality they are two different things. Assad is threatened with his life by a combination of Jihad and US EU NATO force. As in the situation of Yugoslavia, Ben Ali, Mubarak, Gaghbo who is now in the Hague, and Gadhafi… He has a right to take support from wherever including from the very devil himself if he appears in order to fight for survival against the Jihad cum Empire. Not only has Assad a right to do so, but he is right to do so. Bolton throws Israel into this mix. But he does not answer that Israel had the right to hit the Iranian Nuclear Bomb and needed to hit the Iranian Bomb but did not do so. It was not only Obama but also Bush (who mentored Bolton) who held Israel back.

From paragraph 2 “The U.S. could either have aided Syria’s opposition or tackled the problem’s root cause: the mullahs’ regime in Tehran. Obama chose to do neither. His equivocation regarding Syria’s chemical weapons program has provoked giggles or dismay at White House weakness.”

You can see the sleight of hand in Bolton’s method. He says the root cause of Syria is the Iranian Mullahs. How so Bolton?

Why not say that the root cause is the way that the Jihad has combined with US and EU in removing secular rulers like Gadhafi and Mubarak, to replace them with open Fascism, and that these same forces are threatening Assad.

If you bother to trace back you will find that Bolton supported the removal of Gadhafi. In fact Belman of Israpundit actually called for US planes to attack and knock out the Libyan air force as a necessary step to bringing down Gadhafi. THAT is vintage Bolton and vintage Israpundit (Belman)

We await with interest what Bolton will say on Ukraine, so far he is silent, and Belman, too scared to say a word on Ukraine.

Some leaders!

So in a nutshell… Israel is in such danger not just from Obama but from the Jewish basic position in the world in relation to Imperialism through people like Belman. It needs to have a rethink. This will hardly be done by these capitalist types like Belman. If Belman was serious he might start by removing Fascists from his site.

 

Israel is being tied up in knots by these so called leaders. But they lead where? Only towards keeping this bankrupt capitalist system in control and power. Thus the capitalist threatens the Jews, and by the way every nationality on earth, every worker, every poor peasant, every wild animal, all of nature and all of the environment. At the end of the day the Jewish youth must break from this and indeed if only to preserve their rich Jewish history and experience must break from this. This can only be done through Trotskyist leadership and all of the above will fight bitterly against that thought and perspective so be prepared.

KERRY IS A FIEND AGAINST THE JEWS AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO ISRAEL

Aaron Klein is a very good reporter of Jewish affairs. This is a very good article which explains to the readers of www.4international.me some of the terrible things that Kerry and the US are doing against Jews and against Israel.

 

But the article, unlike a recent article by the very political savvy Martin Sherman leaves out a major element, that is the very poor leadership of the Jews of Israel itself.

 

Why are there not millions of Jews out on the streets demanding that Kerry is kept out of Israel, and opposing the smiling and ambitious (for himself) Netanyahu meeting with this fiend against the Jews?

 

The reason is leadership. Read it first. See our note at the end.

FLIP FLOP: KERRY CAVES TO ARAB PRESSURE. Considering demanding final status deal on all issues

Posted on December 27, 2013 at 1:04 AM EST

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By Aaron Klein

The Israeli government may have been elated Secretary of State John Kerry’s bid to create a Palestinian state recently saw the U.S. drop several demands of the Jewish state, as KleinOnline reported yesterday.

However, the change of heart might have been short lived. Palestinian Authority diplomatic sources directly involved in the talks told KleinOnline yesterday that Kerry is now having second thoughts about a key shift in his plans and he may switch back to the Palestinian position.

Until recent weeks, Kerry has been steadfast in the U.S. refusal to accept anything less than a final status agreement on the main issues, repeatedly rejecting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s request for an interim, multi-staged deal.

Yesterday, KleinOnline quoted informed Israeli and Palestinian diplomatic sources saying the U.S. had acquiesced to Netanyahu’s concept of an interim agreement of stages over a period of 10 years.

Now PA sources say that Kerry told PA President Mahmoud Abbas the U.S. will consider once again demanding a final deal on all issues – Jerusalem, so-called refugees, the West Bank, Jordan Valley and other areas.

The sources said Kerry will discuss the possibility of a final status deal in his upcoming visit.

The flip-flop came after Abbas threatened to lobby Europe and the Arab League to oppose the latest U.S. position on an interim agreement, the sources said.

Regardless of whether there is an interim or final status deal, some major U.S. demands remain in place. One of those demands is for Israel to relinquish its civilian neighborhoods in the strategic Jordan Valley.

The Jordan Valley cuts through the heart of Israel. It runs from the Tiberias River in the north to the Dead Sea in the center to the city of Aqaba at the south of the country, stretching through the biblical Arabah desert.

Wednesday, Israel’s Army Radio reported Kerry drafted a plan that would see all of Israel’s Jordan Valley civilian settlements dismantled. That detail was first exclusively reported by KleinOnline this past October.

Meanwhile, on Jerusalem, Kerry is asking for the international community to administer the holy sites in the eastern section of the city, while details are still being discussed about whether Palestinians will have some symbolic presence in the area.

KleinOnline first reported earlier this month on Kerry’s plan calling for an international administrative mandate to control holy sites in eastern Jerusalem.

The exact composition of the international mandate is up for discussion, but Kerry’s plan recommended a coalition that includes the Vatican, together with a group of Muslim countries such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

The international arrangement is being proposed as a temporary solution for about two to three years while security arrangements in Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians are finalized, said Israeli and Palestinian diplomatic sources.

- See more at: http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2013/12/27/flip-flop-kerry-caves-to-arab-pressure-considering-demanding-final-status-deal-on-all-issues/#sthash.BszplzA9.dpuf

 

The great hopes of setting up their own Jewish Homeland in 1948 have been destroyed by really weak and downright bad leaders in Israel, many of whom have become rich, and have formed an elite. As well as becoming rich they do not defend Jews from the Jihad. The “Palestinians” (which 4international always call the “Palestinian Arabs”) is another name for the Jihad. This same Jihad is murdering Christian poor Blacks in Nigeria without Pope Francis raising a murmur. In Israel there is no exception to betrayal. There is not one leader, not one, who the Jews can pick to fight against the Jihad

THE DEAL WITH IRAN WILL CAUSE NUCLEAR WAR AND THE DEATH OF MILLIONS

ayatullah khamenei

ayatullah khamenei (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Last night in the small hours of the morning the BBC interrupted its broadcasts with reports that a deal was signed with Nuclear Iran.

The BBC has not been reporting anything about this issue in recent days and weeks. Suddenly it does report it. Why the change?

 

The reason is that the BBC is part of a real conspiracy. The BBC wants a deal with Iran, a deal above all else, even if that deal is the same as the deal that Chamberlain made in 1938 with Hitler.

 

Why does the BBC act in this way? It acts like this because the BBC is pro-Iran and pro-Islam.

 

Thus we must ask a further question: Why is the BBC pro-Islam? The reason for this is that the BBC fears the breaking up of capitalism and a potential socialist revolution. The BBC thus has as its allies Fascist Islam.

 

Once again the BBC allies itself with Iran because the BBC is afraid of the socialist revolution in Britain.

 

Often in life to get at the REAL truth you have to focus on the REAL reason. The most important thing about Europe today is that Europe cannot solve the unemployment issue, and even as billions are being made on stocks and shares, the majority of people are becoming impoverished by the crisis.

 

Israel today faces a major crisis. Their people from now on are in more and more danger…that is for sure.

 

Just a few days ago the Iran negotiators on this deal uttered the most foul language it is posible to utter against Israel, meaning against Jews.

 

France did object, but Obama and Cameron did not utter a Word in opposition to this deep Iranian Antisemitism.

 

Iran it is who have organized Holocaust Denial Conferences.

 

Obama and Cameron will say it is a limited deal. That is a lie. The sanctions are breached and the US is paying BILLIONS to the Iranian Fascists and Antisemites. The capitalists of the whole world will now rush in with mouths slathering in pursuit of profit. Thus the sanctions against Iran are over.

 

There are 19,000 centriguges in Iran. Not one is dismantled. All can work to enrich uranium. The Plutonium Plant will be finished in months ready to go.

 

This will OBVIOUSLY give new ímpetus to Iran and its Nuclear Bombs.

 

They put their house in order. They tighten their dictatorship over the Iranian youth.

 

Ready to go. It is written that they have enough material for 7 nuclear bombs at this momento…the time factor is said to be 26 days.

 

And the centriguges are always on ready. Now Obama offers them the chance to be all greased up ready to go.

 

A very interesting comment appeared by a person called “Chad” on the really excellent Pamela Geller Blog this morning and 4international replied thus:

 

START 4INTERNATIONAL COMMENT ON ATLAS SHRUGS

 

I agree very much with Chad above in bringing focus for this situation onto the Jewish leadership as a whole, which at every level is deficient to lead the Jews in this period. All Jewish bloggers in positions of leadership and all Gentile pro Jewish bloggers like mself must make this fact central.

It is one thing totally to condemn what has happened as do all of the Jewish leaders like Bennett and even Lapid today, and every single one of them, including Danon, but this condemnation looks totally different when it is placed against their activity firstly since the election and secondly all the way back since the state of Israel was founded.

This way of operating of this overall Jewish leadership included Dayan, the prominent General in the 67 war, who travelled down to the historical Temple Mount, to hand over that Temple Mount to the descenedents of Hajj Amin el Husseini, personally.

Look at it this way. The European capitalist leaders do what the European capitalist leaders have to do. That is they  HAVE TO unite with Iran and with the whole of the Arab bourgeoisie, as part of Islam.

Why do I say this and why do I insist that the European leaders HAVE TO unite with the Fascist (openly so) Arab and Islamic bourgeoisie? There are many reasons for me saying this.

As time is short I cannot list every reason. Please however and remember this is only one small example consider this.

This past week the Spanish pro-Franco PP (Popular Party which took over after Franco died) passed a law for Spain which will mean that any protester on any Street opposing the brutal Spanish oolice, and who INSULTS any Spanish police person, cn be fined something like 100,000 euros.

I will remind readers that there is about 70 per cent unemployment among the Young people of Spain. People exist in a great number of Spanish homes on the pensions of Grandmother and Grandfather.

OK! That is just one small example. But THAT is why the European bougeoisie has created an Alliance with Iran.

This could well mean that in the not too distant future a Nuclear Suitcase Bomb could explode in say Madrid, or say London, or say New York, OR SAY ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET.

But if you are a capitalist class as in any of these countries then that is not really a very big matter at all, if that is placed against putting down social revolution.

There are those on many sites, such as on Atlas Shrugs, who appear to say the right things about Islam. But they either miss, or more likely do not want to know, what is the real nature of the Alliance between Iran and the West.

Time will tell who is really telling the truth in days ahead.

4INTERNATIONAL IS THE ONLY SOCIALIST MOVEMENT DEFENDING ISRAEL AGAINST IRAN

Leon Trotsky with his daughter Nina in 1915

Leon Trotsky with his daughter Nina in 1915 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

THE 4INTERNATIONAL TAKES ISSUE WITH A GROUP CALLED WWW.WSWS.ORG

 

BEGIN WSWS QUOTE

Geneva talks on Iran resume while war threat remains

 

By Peter Symonds

 21 November 2013

 

International talks over Iran’s nuclear programs resumed in Geneva yesterday amid the strident public opposition of Israel to the agreement being discussed and the continued threat of war against Iran. Negotiators for the P5+1 group (the US, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany) met yesterday and talks will continue today.

END WSWS QUOTE

 

 

This statement from these Fascists on wsws is what must be immediately contradicted. They represent not in the slightest Trotskyism, Leninism, Marxism. They are the words of Fascists who are using the cloak of being leftist to pursue what is Antisemitism.

 

What is the wsws doing here? Why would they be attacking Israel and supporting the Mullahs.

 

I have a picture on file of the Mullah regime executing at one go ten prisoners. The prisoners are standing on two benches at right angles, and they all have nooses around their necks. The prisoners are looking outward to our right to one point. I take it they are looking at somebody reading a hateful condemnation.

 

They may be petty criminals. They may be political fighters. I do not know but every instinct in my body makes me oppose these Iranian Fascists in this regime. But not the wsws.org!

 

Yet this wsws actually is supporting that regime against the state of Israel.

 

What else do these left fascists say?

 

BEGIN WSWS QUOTE

Israel is pressing the US and its European allies to demand the complete dismantling of Iran’s nuclear facilities, including its uranium enrichment plants and heavy water reactor at Arak. Tehran has repeatedly denied unsubstantiated Western and Israeli allegations that it is seeking to build a nuclear bomb.

 

Speaking to CNN on Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu denounced the proposed agreement as “an exceedingly bad deal,” adding that it was “no secret” that many Arab leaders held the same opinion. “To give the most dangerous regime of the 21st century the world’s most dangerous weapons is a big, big mistake,” he declared.

 

Netanyahu’s statements are utterly hypocritical. Israel not only has its own stockpile of nuclear weapons, but, unlike Iran, has a long history of military aggression against its neighbours. Netanyahu hinted once again that Israel was prepared to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, saying: “We’ve been around for about 4,000 years, the Jewish people, and we are not about to let ayatollahs with nuclear weapons threaten that.” END QUOTE

 

AND THERE IS MORE

 

I repeat from the above what these wsws fascists masquerading as socialists, even Trotskyists,  (that is totally horrible) write

 

Tehran has repeatedly denied unsubstantiated Western and Israeli allegations that it is seeking to build a nuclear bomb.

 

But in answer to this THEY ARE. They are building Nuclear Bombs. The whole world knows it. Obama knows it very well. Every Tom Dick and Harry knows it.

 

Moreover the other argument the wsws use…Yes Israel has the Nuclear Bomb, and Israel thank goodness has the Nuclear Bomb, because the Jews have to defend themselves against Antisemitism.

 

This is not words. The wsws is not a Trotskyist movement. Leon Trotsky would spit on them…this wsws.

 

We on www.4international.me will build the alternative. Of all the issues in the world today the first issue for socialists is to defend the Jews of Israel from another Holocaust. That means by every means do not allow the enemy of the Jews get the Nuclear Weapon.

TODAY AND TONIGHT IS KRISTALLNACHT75…WE PLEDGE TO DEFEND ISRAEL AND THE JEWS

This is the historical day of the commemoration of Kristallnacht. It is truly historical. After 75 years we have reached this day (and night)

English: Jewish refugees from Czechoslovakia b...

English: Jewish refugees from Czechoslovakia being marched away by British police at Croydon airport in March 1939.http://www.ppu.org.uk/peacematters/pm2000/pm2000_x5.html Jews are being arrested by Nazi SA-men on Kristallnacht (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

This was a terrible day for Jewish people, the start of the Holocaust.

 

 

Trotsky predicted clearly this event, this Holocaust. And in his writings especially against Fascism he provided a way forward and he provided the way that the Holocaust could be avoided.

 

 

 

4international is commemorating the Kristallnacht because we are rooted in the present and we are determined that through correct leadership a Holocaust of the Jews will not be repeated.

 

 

 

 4international has thus in that spirit been hosting a series of articles, one on every day of this week. Today it is 75 years since that horrible day when the Nazis turned on the Jews of Germany, burned their synagogues, murdered and imprisoned in the camps. This led to the gassing of the Jews in the Holocaust.

 

The following is a short paragraph from Wikipedia on Kristallnacht:

 

“At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and 30,000 were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps.[2] Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers.[3] Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone) and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.[4][5] Martin Gilbert writes that no event in the history of German Jews between 1933 and 1945 was so widely reported as it was happening, and the accounts from the foreign journalists working in Germany sent shock waves around the world.[3] The Times wrote at the time: “No foreign propagandist bent upon blackening Germany before the world could outdo the tale of burnings and beatings, of blackguardly assaults on defenceless and innocent people, which disgraced that country yesterday.”[6]

Disabled Jews with a black triangle on a yello...

Disabled Jews with a black triangle on a yellow – “asocial Jews”. Buchenwald, 1938. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The reality of the Holocaust for 4international is that Hitler could have been stopped in 1933. The German working class had many millions organised in trade unions, but the Stalinist Comintern, the Social Democratic leaders, and the trade union leaders basically betrayed their workers. The first to be arrested by Hitler in 1933 were not actually Jews but those very leaders of the trade unions who had refused to fight. Fascism shows no mercy. THEN followed the Jews. We INSIST on seeing it in that way, in that order.

 

www.4international.me is a true Trotskyist organization. Our organization abhors dogma. We are not religionists.

 

When we see something in front of our eyes we believe it. We trust in our senses just as much as our hominid ancestors believed their eyes and indeed all 5 senses.

 

We do not believe in or ever see the need for a sixth sense.

 

We see in front of us today a World Antisemitism that is the equal of the Antisemitism of the Nazis…WITH THIS EXCEPTION…Like Goldhagen we see it as worse because it is more global.

The Devil That Never Dies: The Rise and Threat of Global Antisemitism by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen  (Sep 3, 2013)

Expulsion of the Jews from Frankfurt on August...

Expulsion of the Jews from Frankfurt on August 23, 1614, after riots in the “Jews Street” led by Vincent Fettmilch. According to the text, “1380 persons old and young were counted at the exit of the gate” and herded onto ships on the river Main. Jews were connected in business to the city’s wealthy merchants, while Fettmilch led the small craftsmen and traders opposed to the Jewish presence in Frankfurt. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

A stupid person called Yamit82 who calls himself Jewish asked why we should be concerned about Jews. Answer…we are concerned about Antisemitism and we are concerned because we are Trotskyists. The question was hostile. There ARE traitors inside the Jews too.

 

We are opposed to people who hate Jews, hate Israel as the Jewish Homeland and also who hate Trotsky and Trotskyism.

 

Could we be more clear on this Kristallnacht75!

 

We are not talking either in an academic manner. We are building an organization…building a party…building a Trotskyist Party.

 

We have decided…the best way to commemorate Kristallnacht75 is to continue our work on Kristallnacht into the future days and years.

 

In coming weeks we will be exposing sharply the politics of Israel haters like George Galloway and Jenny Tonge.

 

We are in solidarity with Jewish writers like Goldhagen who wrote the important book referring to Antisemitism “The Devil that Never Dies”. All of our members will study that book. But Goldhagen is deficient and does not offer any solution. We will. That is the difference.

 

Our central task is to build the party that will defend Israel in this critical period.

 

Do not ever dare to ask any of our members why we do this. The answer is we do because we are Trotskyist.

DIRTY NUCLEAR BOMB IN THE HANDS OF HIZBULLAH WILL CAUSE GREAT KILLING OF THE JEWS ONCE AGAIN

Antisemitism in countries in Europe and the antisemitism of Obama provides the cover for a great killing of the Jews in Israel.

This is a most serious warning to the world. It now emerges from this debka article that we have been concentrating on the wrong thing. We have been thinking of a rocket attacking Israel with a nuclear bomb on board.

But what debka has made clear here is that iran has the enriched uranium on hand, and that the trigger facility is on hand also. Hence Hizbullah on the border with Israel, essentially protected by UN forces, can explode dirty bombs against Israel.

But that would harm Arabs also, some antisemites may argue. The answer to that is the concept of suicide bombing. That specific concept makes that thought irrelevant.

Jew hatred is what drove Hitler and Jew hatred is what drove Hajj Amin el Husseini.

As Israeli leaders wrangle over Iran, a new US spy agency will deal with Tehran
DEBKAfileExclusive Report April 25, 2012, 5:38 PM (GMT+02:00)

Some fear they’ve missed the boat.

Israeli leaders were harshly criticized on the eve of Israel’s 64th Independence Day for too much speechifying and no real action against a nuclear Iran, whereas the US in contrast finally made a move by establishing a new Pentagon spy agency for gathering intelligence inside Iran. April 24 and 25, when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak addressed memorial ceremonies for the fallen, they reiterated the same old “Israel will not permit Iran to acquire nuclear arms” – a remark which the Israeli street has stopped taking seriously. Many members of military and intelligence circles are quoted by debkafile as believing that Israel may have waited too long and, along with the US, lost the initiative.
Jerusalem and Washington are still at odds on Iran, but the theme of their dispute has shifted. It is no longer about Iran’s timeline for building a bomb, but what kind. They agree that Tehran will not possess advanced nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles capable of penetrating the US and Israeli missile defenses any time soon. Israel is now worried about more primitive devices like the ones in the North Korean and Pakistani arsenals which Israeli believes are in the final stages of constructions.
The question in Israeli intelligence circles is this: Why is the impending North Korean nuclear test considered by the US, Japan and South Korea a major menace while no one seems to care about devices identical to the one Pyongyang plans to explode on the way to operational capability.

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Strategic Affairs Moshe Ya’alon said publicly earlier this month that by the end of 2012, Iran would have a dirty bomb.
His disclosure drew no reactions, although it was a warning. A dirty bomb combines radioactive material with conventional explosives. Its chief danger is the spread of radioactive contamination. Cruder and cheaper to producer than a nuclear bomb, counter-terror agencies have long appreciated that it is easily transferred to terrorists. Ya’alon’s warning therefore means that Iran may soon be able to transfer dirty bombs to the Lebanese Hizballah units sitting on Israel’s northern border and the Palesinian Hamas and Jihad Islami in Gaza.
The Weekly Standard edition for publication on April 30 wrote the following sentence: “The supreme leader and his guards can have a nuclear weapon in their hands in as little as 43 days, provided Iran’s nuclear scientists have mastered the manufacture of a nuclear trigger – technically much less difficult than enrichment.”

The UN nuclear watchdog in Vienna and US intelligence officials have reported tests on nuclear materials conducted in recent weeks at the Parchin site near Tehran, to which access has been denied UN inspectors.

In Washington, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced was the formation of a new Pentagon spy agency called the Defense Clandestine Service. Defense Department sources said the new organization would expand the military’s intelligence and secret war efforts outside war zones in areas insufficiently covered until now, indicating deep penetration inside hostile territory, primarily Iran.

Other sources point out that by creating a new in-house Pentagon spy agency, Panetta and President Obama demonstrated their opinion of the quality of intelligence they were receiving from the CIA, of which the defense secretary was director until recently.

THE TAKING OF TRIPOLI BY NATO WAS A HIGHLY ORGANIZED AFFAIR AND THE SAME THINK WILL HAPPEN TO ISRAEL IF PRESENT LEADERS REMAIN

Israel is walking blindfolded by its leaders towards its end, the same kind of end that befell Mubarak and in the news Gadhafi and the Libyan people.

 

Open Season: Hunting Black People in Libya

Racism against blacks in Libya…antisemitism against Jews in Israel… This picture could very well be Jews very soon

 

The blindfolds are literally being placed on Jewish people by the Israeli leaders Netanyahu, Barak and others

 

The same conspiracy exists against Israel as existed against Gadhafi.

 

First of all there is NATO and here there is a new element in NATO where Al Jazeera and Qatar were instrumental along with the BBC and American Media in the war on Gadhafi.

 

The Media is not separate from the NATO war machine but is a central part of it.

 

The taking of Tripoli by NATO was a highly organized affair, which involved CIA bribing of Gadhafi leaders in Tripoli, in a psyops operation which involved a mock-up somewhere in Qatar of the Green square in Tripoli, to broadcast images that the city had fallen to the “Rebels”.

 

And so on…the list is endless…the city of Tripoli was taken essentially by the group affiliated with Al Qaida, with the road ahead prepared by British apache helicopters and continual bombardment from the air.

 

This went along with a racist regime of terror against BLACK Libyans and BLACK Africans

 

The use of racism is central in the strategy of the New World Order of Soros.

 

(Jews think of this experience…Racism against blacks, but anti-Semitism against Jews is far, far bigger, a thousand times at least bigger)

 

Jews of the world, you are so vulnerable in this situation.

 

Soros himself is a Jew, but is a Jew who stated recently that he was highly pleasured to be involved in the removal of items of value from off Jews who were on their way to the DEATH CAMPS. You know that sort of Jew. That sort of New World Order.

 

Israel in the face of this is a sitting duck, due to its leadership.

 

Remember that Gadhafi made in his life one serious mistake. This was when he met Blair in that tent, who was acting as proxy for Bush Jnr., and when he agreed to pay for something he did not do (Lockerbie…done by Syria/Iran/Palestinians)

 

He also agreed to dismantle his nuclear preparations etc.

 

THAT was his only mistake…to think that there could be a peace with NATO and the NOW (new World Order)

 

That was the piece of collaboration by the desert fighter that has led to his family being butchered/hounded

 

Netanyahu, Barak, and a large section of Jewish leadership, especially American Jewish leadership, is up to its neck in this collaboration.

 

I will not deal here with Robert Spencer as Spencer is not Jewish. But Spencer claims to be anti-Jihadist. And what a snake Spencer has turned out to be on this Libyan issue.

 

Pamela Geller is however Jewish and makes plenty of it. But Geller has turned out to be a big BIG promoter of NATO, and the American soldiers of NATO.

 

When these American NATO soldiers Geller is so fond of turn on Israel (as they will do and soon) what will Geller do then? Support her (US) soldiers? Or change her mind at the last minute? But the last minute is always too late Geller, because you have already by then betrayed and led Jews down the wrong path.

 

But back to Netanyahu, Barak, Feiglin and all the rest of these old fogeys of bourgeois Zionism…

 

Young Israeli, Jewish and Zionist patriots must urgently open their eyes and must organize quite independently to take political power in a new movement.

 

  • Internationally defend Gadhafi
  • IDF must bomb Iran’s Nuclear
  • War on Gaza and Lebanon to destroy Hamas and Hizbullah
  • Do not allow a single Jew to be harmed, much less murdered, by anti-Semites inside the Jewish Homeland
  • Create the 4international inside Israel
  • Replace the present leadership by a fighting leadership

The reality of the hesitation of Barak/Netanyahu is covered in the recent article by debka.com

Read it all. this is part:

Egyptian preventatives and Israel’s passivity in the face of an assault known to be approaching afford the Palestinian terrorist group, which is sponsored and armed by Iran, extra leverage and strategic leeway in its contest with Israel.

 

 
Sunday, Aug. 21, after accepting an Egyptian-brokered truce for halting the missile blitz from Gaza, Netanyahu commented that Israel had gained the upper hand: The Palestinians had landed themselves with a new negative equation: Their attacks from Sinai would henceforth incur retaliation in Gaza.

 

 
Jihad Islami is now turning this equation on its head by demonstrating that Israeli attacks on Palestinian terrorist targets in the Gaza Strip bring forth Palestinian reprisals from Sinai.

 

 
They calculate correctly as it turned out this week that the Egyptian border offers them no obstacle to cross-border terror, whereas Israeli counteraction is stopped short.

 

 

 

Held back from its famous preemptive tactics by Israel’s leaders out of fear of further strains on relations with the military rulers in Cairo, the Israeli army’s deterrent strength is progressively sapped and the pro-Iranian Palestinian terrorists are getting the last laugh even before they strike.

 

 
They have wound up holding the initiative in the next round. It is up to them to decide for how much longer – days or weeks – reinforced Israeli units must stay on maximum preparedness and Israel’s main routes to the south, Highways 10 and 12, stay closed to civilian traffic. They can keep Israel on tenterhooks as long as they like before deciding to press the trigger.

 

 

http://www.debka.com/article/21257/

 

IF ASSAD IS DEFEATED BY NATO AND PALESTINIANS THEN ISRAEL IS UNDER DIRECT THREAT

Where does Israel and the Jews, and Serbia and the Serbs, go now?

 

Very simply the truth is not being told to anybody. The world is literally filled with Jews and Jewish pundits who supported the overthrow of Mubarak and who wished to see the overthrow right there and then of Gadhafi

 

The difference between the two was very obvious. Mubarak did not realise what he was up against, that he was not just up against Egyptian protesters, but was up against the whole of US Imperialist Power, British Imperialist Power, EU Imperialist Power, and all of those in a rough but definite alliance with Arabs and Islam

 

(It is exactly similar to the Jews of Israel. There they go, day after day, week after week, beind the most atrocious leaders, and they do not understand how far advanced are the plans to wipe them out. Remember in the 90s, similar kind of leaders led the Serbs)

 

But Gadhafi who also had been in alliance with Imperialism learned from the experience, and also he was a tougher kind of person, Mubarak being more of the conservative Nasserite army man, Gadhafi having dabbled with terror etc

 

So Gadhafi decided to fight against this infernal US Power alliance with Islam. And it is still not over but the lesson is clear, better to fight anyway, because the images of poor Mubarak being propped up on a gurney are indeed poignant, and he is a prisoner essenctially of Qaradawi and the Muslim Brotherhood

 

I have always, ALWAYS, found DEBKA to be consistent. Sure they have got things wrong but the general path of their analysis and reckoning has been that Netanyahu is too close to US Power Elites, and that anyway he is unable to either comprehend or to put together a fighting strategy for the Jews.

 

Caroline Glick wanted Jews to support the opposition to Assad. Why? If Assad falls then there will certainly be ISLAM SHARIA in power in Syria, and Christians and Kurds will be no more.

 

(Start Debka report on Assad against “Palestinians” here)

 

Syria tanks enter Homs while fighting Palestinians in Latakia

 
Syrian-Palestinian battlefield in Latakia

Encouraged by the 15-day leeway granted him by the US President Barak Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, Bashar Assad Monday, Aug. 15, sent his tanks backed by mechanized infantry into Homs, a town of 1.5 million inhabitants. Witnesses report heavy shelling and clouds of smoke. Homs is Syria’s third largest town and the biggest the Syrian military has assaulted in the course of the five-month uprising against the Assad regime.

While Obama and Edrogan presented the extra time they granted Assad as his last chance to implement reforms, the Syrian ruler is making use of it to crack down harder and grind the opposition to dust. After that, the Assads will reign supreme and there will be no one left to fight for reforms.

Sunday, Aug. 14, debkafile reported on Palestinian armed resistance to Syrian tank incursions in the coastal town of Latakia.

For the first time in the five-month anti-Assad uprising, Syrian forces clashed with dissident Palestinians Sunday, Aug. 14, in the al-Raml a-Filistini district of Syria’s biggest port Latakia. As they moved toward the town center, the two Syrian tank divisions and armored infantry were challenged by Palestinians firing heavy machine guns, anti-tank RPGs and roadside bombs. Nineteen of the 24 dead Sunday were Palestinians. 
debkafile’s military sources affirm that contrary to earlier reports, the Syrian missile ships cruising offshore took no part in the attack on Latakia. Their function is to blockade the port against arms smuggling. Nevertheless the weapons used by Palestinians fighting in Latakia Sunday came from Lebanon aboard smugglers’ boats. There are almost daily incidents of Syrian ships firing on suspect vessels.
NATO headquarters in Brussels and the Turkish high command are meanwhile drawing up plans for their first military step in Syria, which is to arm the rebels with weapons for combating the tanks and helicopters spearheading the Assad regime’s crackdown on dissent. Instead of repeating the Libyan model of air strikes, NATO strategists are thinking more in terms of pouring large quantities of anti-tank and anti-air rockets, mortars and heavy machine guns into the protest centers for beating back the government armored forces.

Since the Syrian air force would certainly shoot down air transports making the drops, the tendency is to get the weapons to their destination overland, namely through Turkey and under Turkish army protection by either of two routes: The Turkish plan drafted some months ago for establishing buffer zones inside the Syrian border, is one. The refugees from the battle zone would be given sanctuary there instead of crossing into Turkey and the protected enclaves would also serve as weapons distribution depots.
Alternatively, the arms would be trucked into Syria under Turkish military guard and transferred to rebel leaders at pre-arranged rendezvous.
NATO and Turkish military sources have declined to indicate when, how and by what means, the Syrian rebels, civilians with no experience in firearms, will receive the weapons.

debkafile’s military sources disclose that for the past two weeks, at least, Syrian protest leaders and army deserters have been training in the use of the new weapons with Turkish military officers at makeshift installations in Turkish bases near the Syrian border.

Also discussed in Brussels and Ankara, our sources report, is a campaign to enlist thousands of Muslim volunteers in Middle East countries and the Muslim world to fight alongside the Syrian rebels. The Turkish army would house these volunteers, train them and secure their passage into Syria.

These NATO plans were the underlying script for US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s call on unnamed nations Friday, August 12 to stop sending arms to Syria.

Our sources report she was referring to Russia which has stepped up its shipments of ammunition and tank spares in the last two weeks.

All the tanks the Syrian army is using to crush protest are made in Russia. Military sources in Washington Brussels would like to put a mechanism in place for counter-balancing the Syrian army’s hardware deliveries from Russia or Iran by Western supplies to the opponents of the Assad regime, turning the asymmetric contest into an arms race.

(www.debka.com)

 

CAROLINE GLICK POSES THE CENTRAL QUESTION…WHY FIGHT IF YOU DO NOT FIGHT TO WIN?

. THE ARTICLE BY GLICK IS VITAL TO READ. THE FACT IS THAT THE US GOVERNMENT(S) ARE IN ALLIANCE WITH ISLAM, WITH IRAN, WITH FATAH AND HAMAS, WITH THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

IT IS A GREAT ARTICLE BECAUSE CAROLINE IS OUTLINING THE ACTUAL AND TRUTHFUL SITUATION IN THE LEBANON AND THE ROLE THERE OF HISBULLAH

 

 

FIRST MY COMMENT (JUST SUBMITTED)

Marcel

 

You sound so like a preacher man

 

And your politics lead you into an abyss of hopelessness and helplessness

 

Also you attack a great many of the Jewish people of Israel who do not believe in the supernatural but who are prepared to fight for Israel as much as any (believing in the supernatural) Jew.

 

You also are very divisive because you insult people who believe in secularism and you confuse that secularism with hatred of religion and of Jewish tradition

 

And where is your political programme?

 

If Netenyahu was elected because of Livni and Olmert betrayal, and if Netanyahu in September is preparing to betray also, what then? Apart from your preaching and slagging off atheists what do you concretely propose?

 

The reference above to Livni is indeed correct. I heard her in an interview and while she may be an intelligent person she spoke in a dreary and mechanical fashion, mainly because her programme, and also the programme of what you call the “Left” is indeed also dreary. Her words were in synch with her programme.

 

There is need now for a revolutionary leadership in Israel. But in saying so I place down one caveat, which is that when Israeli political leaders like Netanyahu come under attack from anti-Semites in US and EU, as well as from anti-Semitic Jews in Israel, then he must be defended, critically, but defended nevertheless. I am not going to enter into a barging match over Leon Trotsky, but for sure the time has come to build a Trotskyist party in Israel, which will place itself at the forefront of the struggle, and will seek to create a unity with patriotic Jews who fight from the perspective of Judaism

 

My website is www.4international.wordpress.com

 

THAT COMMENT WAS SUBMITTED NO 5 TO THIS ARTICLE BY GLICK

 

The path to the next Lebanon War

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Five years ago this week, Iran’s Lebanese proxy opened war with Israel. The war lasted 34 days, during which Hezbollah launched more than 4,000 missiles against Israel. Now five years later, under US President Barack Obama, America is pushing a policy that drastically escalates the chance that a new war between Israel and Iran’s Lebanese army will break out again in the near future.

 

Back in 2006, Israel’s response to Hezbollah’s aggression was swift but incompetent. While Israel scored some blows against the Iranian proxy force, the war ended with Hezbollah still shooting. Israel failed to defeat the terror army. And because Hezbollah survived, it won the war.

 

This truth is exposed in all its ugliness by the political and military realities five years on. Today, Hezbollah is not simply in charge of Israel’s former security zone in South Lebanon.

 

It is in charge of all of Lebanon. The Hezbollah-controlled government controls all aspects of the Lebanese state that it wishes. These include the military, the telecommunications networks, and the international borders, airports and sea ports, among other things.

 

Today, Hezbollah has not merely refilled its depleted missile arsenals. It has tripled the size of its missile arsenals. In 2006, IAF strikes in the first 24 hours of the war knocked out all of Hezbollah’s long-range missiles. Today, not only have those stocks been replenished, Hezbollah’s arsenal includes missiles with ranges covering all of Israel, with larger payloads and many with guidance systems.

 

The lessons of the war are easy to see. And the Israeli public, which learned them five years ago, still hasn’t forgotten them.

 

GENERALLY SPEAKING, the war taught us three lessons. The first lesson is that you can’t convince terrorists to lay down their arms simply by walking away. Israel withdrew from its security zone in southern Lebanon in 2000. The withdrawal was a precursor to its withdrawal from Gaza in 2005. In 2006, Israel was attacked from both territories.

 

In the lead-up to both withdrawals, Israel’s national leadership told the public that the only reason terrorists from these territories were attacking us was that we were there. If we went away, they would stop hating us and we would be safe. We were the problem, not them, so we could solve the problem by giving them what they wanted.

 

Although then-prime minister Ehud Olmert and then-foreign minister Tzipi Livni continued to push appeasement through their insistence that Israel surrender Judea and Samaria, the war of 2006 showed the public the folly of their plans. And at first opportunity, the public elected the Likud and other right-wing parties – which oppose appeasement – to form the current government.

 

The second lesson the public learned is that when a nation goes to war against an enemy that seeks its destruction, it must fight to win. You cannot fight a half-war against an implacable foe. And if you fail to win, you lose.

 

This is not how Israel fought the war of 2006. Partially due to pressure from then-secretary of state Condoleezza Rice and partially due to his own strategic incomprehension, Olmert believed it was possible to fight to a draw without losing.

 

In the event, there was only one way for Israel to defeat Hezbollah – by regaining control over southern Lebanon. Any other conclusion to the war would leave Hezbollah standing. And simply by surviving intact, as Lebanese Druse leader Walid Jumblatt warned at the time, the road would be paved for Hezbollah to take over Lebanon.

 

But Olmert – and Livni – wouldn’t even consider retaking control of South Lebanon. The option was discarded contemptuously as a delusional recipe for forcing Israel back into the “Lebanese quagmire.” The fact that the “Lebanese quagmire” came to Israel after we left Lebanon, and that it will only end when Israel defeats Hezbollah, was completely ignored.

 

Olmert’s and Livni’s reason for rejecting the one strategy that would have brought Israel victory is explained by the third lesson of the war. That lesson is that once a leader is ideologically committed to a policy of appeasement, he is unable to allow rational considerations to permeate his thinking.

 

THE OLMERT government was elected in 2006 on the basis of its plan to repeat the Lebanon and Gaza withdrawals in Judea and Samaria. During the war, Olmert told his supporters that victory in Lebanon would enable him to carry out his planned withdrawal from Judea and Samaria. And this was true. But because of the circular logic of appeasement, there was no way that Olmert could fight to win.

 

If Israel had retaken control of southern Lebanon, Olmert would have had a chance of convincing the public that unilateral withdrawal was a viable strategy. He would have been able to argue that just as the IDF retook control of southern Lebanon, so it would retake control of Judea and Samaria if the Palestinians used the vacated lands to attack the rest of the country.

 

But because he was committed to appeasement, Olmert could not fight to win in Lebanon. The appeasement agenda is predicated on the disavowal of the notion of military victory and the embrace of the mantra, “There is no military solution.”

 

IN THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH CAROLINE GLICK RAISES THE TRULY CENTRAL QUESTION…WHY FIGHT IF YOU DO NOT FIGHT TO WIN?

If victory is an option, then surrender along the lines that Olmert preached in Judea and Samaria is also an option. That is, surrender is an option, not an imperative, as he claimed. And if victory is an option, then clearly it has much more to recommend it than defeat.

 

But with their appeasement agenda reigning supreme – as appeasement agendas always do – instead of fighting to win, Olmert and Livni sued for a cease-fire. That is, they sought a diplomatic solution to a military problem. And since by not losing, Hezbollah won the military contest, it also came out the victor in UN Security Council Resolution 1701, which set the conditions of the cease-fire.

 

Resolution 1701 was a massive victory for Hezbollah. The resolution placed the international terror group run by Iran on equal footing with Israel, a sovereign state. The security arrangements in the resolution were an invitation for Hezbollah to rearm. It was pure fantasy to believe that the Hezbollah-dominated Lebanese government would block Hezbollah’s rearmament. And it was utter madness to think that European military forces would lift a finger to prevent Hezbollah from reasserting full control over the border with Israel.

 

But again, if you accept the circular logic of appeasement – that always puts the burden of proof on the non-aggressor – then you will never learn these, or any other lessons. And as a consequence, appeasers will always and forever foment wars in the name of peace.

 

THE ISRAELI public learned these lessons and elected a government that understands them. Perhaps if the American people had elected Senator John McCain to succeed George W. Bush in 2008, the US government would have learned these lessons as well. And then maybe together the Israeli and the US governments might have set about fixing at least some of the damage the war caused them both.

 

But in their wisdom, the American people elected Barack Obama to succeed Bush in the White House. And Obama has learned none of the lessons of the last war. Consequently Obama’s current policies are increasing the likelihood of another war between Israel and Iran’s Lebanese proxy in the near future.

 

Far from recognizing the nature of Hezbollah, the Obama administration has tried to wish away its implacability. Last May, Obama’s counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan spoke of the administration’s plan to cultivate “moderate elements” in the Iranian-run jihadist organization.

 

The Obama administration’s notion that the US can adopt a nuanced approach to the terror group is put paid by Hezbollah’s takeover of the Lebanese government, its growing capabilities in the Western hemisphere, its continued devotion to the cause of Israel’s destruction, its participation in the killing of Syrian anti-regime protesters, and Iran’s clear control over all aspects of the organization’s operations. And yet, by all accounts, the administration refuses to acknowledge that there can be no nuance toward Hezbollah.

 

The dangers of Obama’s rejection of these basic truths were exposed this week. Sunday the government approved the demarcation of Israel’s territorial waters along the border with Lebanon. The borders will be submitted to the UN.

 

Israel’s move was forced on it by the Obama administration.

 

The dispute over the sea border arose after Israel discovered massive quantities of natural gas in its territorial waters in 2009. Acting on orders from Hezbollah and Iran, the Lebanese government immediately claimed erroneously that the waters belonged to Lebanon. Last August, Lebanon submitted its claim to the UN.

 

Israel negotiated its maritime borders with Cyprus in 2007. The same year, Cyprus also negotiated its maritime borders with Lebanon. At the time, Lebanon did not claim the areas in which Israel has discovered natural gas deposits or the areas abutting those areas, which are suspected of similarly containing large natural gas deposits. Lebanon’s current claim includes Israel’s territorial waters abutting the gas fields it discovered in 2009.

 

In staking this false claim, as it did with the Shaba Farms on Mount Dov in the Golan Heights in 2000, Lebanon is setting up a casus belli against Israel.

 

Under the circumstances, the only rational policy that the US can possibly adopt is to loudly and strenuously back Israel’s claim and reject all Lebanese contentions to the contrary.

 

Only by completely rejecting Lebanon’s claim can the US deny Hezbollah and Iran the ability to use Israel’s gas finds in its territorial waters as a justification for war.

 

Rather than do this, guided by its appeasement ideology, the Obama administration has refused to take sides. It urged Israel to submit its counter-claim to the UN – where it can bully Israel into accepting arbitration of the dispute by the inherently anti-Israel UN.

 

More generally, by refusing to take sides, the US is in fact siding with its enemy Iran and Iran’s proxy Hezbollah against its ally Israel.

 

Originally published in The Jerusalem Post. 

 

Thanks to Caroline Glick on http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2011/07/the-path-to-the-next-lebanon-w.php#_login

I SUPPORT MELANIE PHILLIPS AND HER ATTACK ON CAMERON BUT…

An open letter to the Rt Hon David Cameron MP
Thursday, 5th May 2011

Dear Prime Minister,

I was interested to read that, when you met Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this week, you said:

‘Britain is a good friend of Israel and our support for Israel and Israel’s security is something I have described in the past, and will do so again, as unshakeable.’

I wonder, therefore, if you make a habit of threatening your friends? For you also said that unless Israel ‘engages seriously in a meaningful peace process’ with the Palestinian Authority, the more likely it is that Britain will endorse the ‘State of Palestine’ for which the PA is expected to seek recognition at the UN in September.

This is not the behaviour of a friend so much as the kind of intimidation that is more reminiscent of a Mafia protection racket.

First of all, you have incomprehensibly decided to pressurise the victim in this conflict to make peace with her aggressor, even though the victim is the one party that constantly tries to make peace while the aggressor does not. It is the PA which has refused to negotiate with Israel, not the other way round, on the spurious grounds that Israeli expansion of Jewish homes beyond the ‘Green Line’ is a bar to negotiations.

There I something false about the above paragraph in that she posits the argument around “peace”. What has always existed is not something called peace, but a state of war. It is war, so why not argue from that standpoint. But in this following paragraph Melanie does focus on a central issue, that is the issue of the Jewish state, the Jewish state which is called Israel. We agree with Melanie here.

I wonder whether you might explain to both Britain and the Jewish people why you do not insist that Mr Abbas ‘engages seriously in a meaningful peace process’ by unambiguously renouncing – in both English and Arabic – his repeated assertions that his people will never accept Israel as a Jewish state, the casus belli of the entire conflict?

NOT ONE JEW WILL BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THERE…ABBAS

Having raised the key issue of the Jewih state, that is a state for and of the Jews, Melanie then raises with Cameron the next key issue, which is flowing from that concept and practice of the Jewish state, and refers to the Arabs creating the Hitlerite Nazi concept of areas which are Judenfrei, namely the planned Palestine state, and never mind here that a key section of the Jews already created the Judenfrei Gaza, and before that with Britain playing the main role, the entirely Judenfrei Transjordan, now of course Jordan.

I wonder also if you might explain to both Britain and the Jewish people why you implicitly endorse the racist ethnic cleansing inherent in the putative ‘State of Palestine’ which the PA says it will declare – a state in which Mr Abbas has repeatedly declared that not one Jew will be allowed to live — but which you have now threatened to support? I’m sure the British people in particular would be interested to know when you decided that racism and ethnic cleansing were part of your modernising programme for the Conservative Party.

GENOCIDAL

Cameron is supporting genocidal fanatics against the Jews

Next, I wonder if you might clarify for us exactly why the British government has welcomed the alliance entered into between Hamas and Mr Abbas’s Fatah, and why you believe that this will advance the cause of peace. As you know, your government still regards Hamas as a terrorist organisation. More than that, Hamas is explicitly committed to the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews, a platform from which is has explicitly stated this week that it will not resile (sic). And as you know, following the killing of Osama bin Laden the leader of Hamas in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, condemned the ‘assassination of a Muslim holy warrior’ — while for their part the Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the terrorist department of the Fatah organisation that you do not appear to think is an obstacle to peace, called bin Laden’s death ‘a catastrophe’ and vowed to step up the jihad to establish the dominance of Islam in the world.

I’m sure we are all agog to learn why you, a Conservative Prime Minister and the supposed ally of America in the defence of the free world, have chosen not only to applaud and promote a coalition which includes genocidal fanatics who are in bed with both al Qaeda and Iran, but why you are also threatening their victim, Israel, that Britain will endorse a state run by this genocidal coalition unless Israel itself enters into negotiations with it. To carry on with the Mafia analogy, this is akin to threatening someone that if they do not put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger you will set the Mob on them to achieve the same result.

A COALITION OF THE ALLIES OF IRAN AND AL QAIDA

I’d be grateful if you could explain to us why you support the killing of the leader of al Qaeda, as well as sanctions against Iran on the grounds that both represent an unconscionable threat to the free world, and yet at the same time demand of Israel that it makes concessions to a coalition made up of the allies of Iran and al Qaeda. I’m sure we’d all like to know, if this is how you treat your ‘friends’, how you would treat your enemies.

FOREIGN OFFICE OF BRITAIN…VIRULENT OPPOSITION TO THE JEWS AND ISRAEL

I realise, Prime Minister, that before you achieved high office your knowledge of and interest in foreign affairs was hovering around the zero mark. As a result, it is likely that your only knowledge of the Middle East comes from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, which has a history of virulent antagonism towards the Jewish people. I would also expect, however, that you have an eye to your own place in history, and that you would probably like to be viewed by future generations as the British Prime Minister who stood shoulder to shoulder with the victims of genocidal aggression against their destroyers, rather than the other way round.

IS THE PROBLEM NO PALESTINE STATE OR THAT THE PALESTINIAN ARABS, AND ARABS, WANT TO DESTROY THE TATE OF ISRAEL?

If you are to get this the right way round and thus avoid such posthumous infamy, it is vital that you come to realise the key point about the Middle East impasse. To arrive at a solution, it is imperative first of all correctly to identify the problem. The problem in the Middle East is not the absence of a state of Palestine. Were that the case, the problem would have been resolved when such a state was first mooted long before World War Two. The problem is instead that the Arabs wish to destroy the State of Israel. The solution, therefore, is to stop them from continuing to try to do so. And to achieve that, it is essential that the west stop rewarding them for their attempts.

For the single most important reason for the never-ending nature of the Middle East impasse is that, uniquely, for more than nine decades the west has rewarded the Arab aggressors and punished their Jewish victims. And from the start, the western leader of this infernal process, I’m afraid to say, was Britain.

BRITISH OUT OF MALICE AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE

It was the British who, out of sheer breathtaking malice against the Jewish people, first incited the (hitherto mainly benignly disposed) Arabs against the Jews returning to their ancestral homeland in Palestine in the early years of the 20th century. It was the British who set out to undermine and reverse their own government’s policy to re-establish the Jewish national home in the land of Israel. It was the British who reneged on their internationally binding treaty obligation to settle the Jews throughout Palestine – including the areas currently known as the ‘West Bank’ and Gaza – with the result that they kept out desperate Jews trying to flee Nazi Europe, causing thousands to be murdered in the Holocaust.

BRITISH ENCOURAGED IMMIGRATION FROM NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES

At the same time, they encouraged Arab immigration from neighbouring countries and turned a blind eye to the pogroms carried out by these Arab newcomers against the Jews whose land it was supposed to be –thus laying the groundwork for the false claim that the Arabs were the rightful inheritors of the land. And all the time, the British cloaked this vicious treachery in the honeyed fiction that they were the true friends of the Jewish people and had their interests at heart.

THE SET OF GENOCIDAL FALSEHOODS THAT ARE BEING PROMOTED AGAINST JEWS AND ISRAEL

The history of the British in this terrible conflict between Jew and Arab is not merely a chronicle of the utmost perfidy and malevolent Judeophobic bigotry. It is also directly responsible for the continuation of the conflict to this day. For Arab aggression against the Jews has been rewarded and encouraged from the start, by robbing the Jews of their rightful inheritance and giving great chunks of it to their aggressors. But if aggressors are rewarded, the inevitable result is more aggression until they achieve their final terrible aim.

And that very same process is in evidence today, with Britain’s grotesque endorsement this week of the coalition for genocide and your government’s unconscionable pressure upon Israel to negotiate its own destruction with its mortal enemies. Prime Minister, the virus of Judeophobia is now rampant once again throughout Europe – let alone in the Arab and Muslim world. And the fuel for this fire is the set of genocidal falsehoods about the Arab and Muslim war of extermination against Israel, a Big lie which has turned victim into aggressor and vice versa.

BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS HELPING TO STOKE THE VILE INFERNO OF ANTISEMITISM

Appallingly, the British government is helping stoke this vile inferno by endorsing many of these falsehoods — and now, worse still, by actually promoting the coalition of genocide and turning the screw on its victim. The similarities with the 1930s and 1940s are uncanny and horrifying – similarities not just with what was allowed to develop in Europe, but also what happened in Palestine itself, the source of today’s terrible impasse.

HISTORY WILL JUDGE CAMERON

Prime Minister, if you are not very careful indeed history will judge that you re-established a direct line back to the malevolence of the British in Palestine; back to that terrible time when Britain so foully betrayed the Jewish people and became a party to genocide; back to the approach which gave genocidal fanatics hope that victory was within their grasp. To stand up against all this — the defining madness of our times — would demand of you, I know full well, the utmost statesmanship and moral courage. But the alternative is to earn the contempt of decent people everywhere and the scorn of posterity. The choice, Prime Minister, is yours.

Sincerely, Melanie Phillips

FELIX QUIGLEY ANSWERS MELANIE PHILLIPS:

 

Melanie Phillips is a very, very limited political analyst and the above attack on the politics of the British Government shows this

 

Of course there are many points in the above which I agree with, will support Phillips on.

 

Such as: The historical role which Britain played right from the period of 1920, when it took over the British Mandate for Palestine, with specific instruction from the League of Nations TO CREATE A JEWISH STATE

 

This is what has been hidden, that Britain supported and encouraged one of the very worst anti-Semite that has ever lived, Hajj Amin el Husseini, also known as the Mufti of Jerusalem, against the Jew and the Jewish state. The history of this man has been edited out by the British Establishment and also by the “left”.

 

Having said that Phillips tears the present situation facing the Jews and Israel from what Britain (and Obama) have done in Egypt against Mubarak, and in Libya against Muammar Gadhafi and his family.

 

I do wonder what was the position of Phillips towards Gadhafi. Did Phillips on a matter of principle defend Muammar Gadhafi against Cameron and Hague, against Sarkozy, against Obama?

 

The truth about Phillips is not to be found in the above statement, even though there are many things she says that I agree with.

 

I am reminded of that slippery customer, Ted Belman, who is editor of Israpundit who at the beginning of the war on Libya advised Obama to flatten Libya with bombs. Belman later tried to weasel out of it. He has good qualitie but is in essence pro establishment

 

In fact to understand Jewish leaders of the present like Phillips or Belman, you need to see what they say about the defence of Gadhafi, not what they say about the defence of Israel. This is a little counter intuitive but is a 100 per cent valid

 

In the end Phillips is part of this British Establishment, as are many of these British Jews like Phillips, and it comes out in many ways.

 

The last couple of paragraphs of Phillips are distasteful to me, when she adopts the role of advisor re the historical record of Cameron.

 

Cameron and Hague are the British Establishment bastards who are leading the bombing of the Government of Muammar Gadhafi

 

That is all you need to know if you are a true Jewish person. But Phillips and the likes of Belman do not know, AND DO NOT WISH TO KNOW.

 

Therein resides the real crisis in Jewish leadership today. People like Melanie Phillips are part of the Establishment.

 

There is an answer and it is going to be found here, NOT OUT OF THE English Establishment, despite all the good qualities of Melanie Phillips

THE BBC THIS MORNING KEEP HAMMERING THE BIG LIE OF SREBRENICA

Synopsis

David Rohde is an American journalist who won the Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on the worst massacre in Europe since the Second World War. He describes how he discovered the mass graves of Muslim men near the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.

The BBC has been running a programme on Srebrenica in the “witness” series, centring on David Rohde. The above “synopsis” is how they introduce this latest addition to the “Big Lie”!

If you want to listen it is on their website

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008grpr

I have begun to transcribe this from tape which aired on BBC this morning (being transmitted around the world on the powerful World Service) and will complete the job later. I feel that it is important that this material become known. Naturally as we have said so often on this website the whole story of the “Srebrenica Massacre” was a Big Lie.

The Witness format is very short, just 10 minutes or so, inserted into other material not connected with the Balkans. Being so short is useful for the Big Lie technique, because the process of generalization takes over, and becomes a perfect vehicle for lies.

If you are reading this I hope it is obvious that I have placed comments in upper case, and that there is a narrator, and that I have placed the actual words of David Rohde in italics (the box outline)

Thousands of refugees are Fleeing towards Potocari

In the next few weeks reports of male refugees gone missing and reports started to emerge of Bosnian Serbs hunted them down.

NOTE THE USE OF THE TERMS LIKE “REPORTS OF”…THE BBC STARTS TO BUILD UP ITS LYING FEATURE

The US Secretary of State went to the United Nations to denounce their actions.

THE BBC BRINGS IN THE BIGGEST SINGLE LIAR OF THE WHOLE EPISODE AND PERIOD…MADELEINE ALBRIGHT

“There is a compelling case that there were wide scale atrocities committed in the area against defenceless civilians away from the battlefield area”

“THERE IS A COMPELLING CASE” THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF A LIAR. THAT WAS HER CLAIM. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE PRODUCED AT THAT UN MEETING

Secretary Albright showed satellite images if what appeared to be mass graves near Srebrenica. Those pictures attracted the attention of the young American reporter David Rohde.

OH REALLY! SATELLITE IMAGES! WHAT BECAME OF THOSE SATELLITE IMAGES AND IF THEY WERE SO REAL, SO AUTHENTIC, WHY HAVE NONE OF US EVER SEEN THEM SINCE. WHY HAVE WE AND THE WHOLE  WORLD NOT BEEN BOMBARDED WITH THIS VISUAL PROOF EVERY DAY OF EVERY WEEK SINCE. THE REASON IS SIMPLE. THE PICTURES OF ALBRIGHT WERE PHONEY.

Rohde speaks

“They are sort of before and after pictures of a soccer field that has no disturbed earth and then after the fall of Srebrenica there´s what appears to be large mass graves that have been dug in an area around these soccer fields in a village called Nova Kosiga”

What was driving you at that point?

I´d missed the fall of Srebrenica and I think part of not being there for the fall of the town was what motivated me to be aggressive in doing up the follow up work

 

So he headed for Nova Kasaba (?) and the soccer field

There were basically 4 slots of fresh digging in

There were 2 empty ammunition boxes

I found a piece of paper with some writing on it and it was actually notes from a town meeting in Srebrenica before the town fell

I also found an elementary school diploma that had a Muslim name on it

And the final thing and the most decisive evidence at this first site right in an area where there was fresh diggings

I could see jutting out of the ground part of the decomposing human leg

 

That must have turned your stomach

I was shocked and at one point a truck load of Bosnian soldiers had driven past. Myself and the Serbian journalist had waved at them to not look suspicious

They had continued driving along. It all did not seem real or these could not actually be mass graves

So when I saw the leg I was sort of stunned and it became instantly real

 

David Rohde published a report about his evidence of a mass grave site. His editors at the Christian Science Monitor then allowed him to stick with the story and he headed to a refugee camp where male survivors from Srebrenica had gathered

As he interviewed these witnesses David Rohde realized that there might be more mass graves

“The numbers that the survivors were giving me added up to in the thousands and I found that hard to believe. I thought that maybe hundreds it couldn’t be just as large as they say

But what was so troubling was that it was 9 different several of whom talked about executions. In separate interviews they gave different descriptions of the same site

The testimony of two men particularly stood out.

Described an execution that they had survived, first they were brought to a school and then the groups of men were loaded into the back of a pickup truck about a dozen at a time and then they were driven for about a mile and taken out of the truck. They were blindfolded or partially blindfolded and essentially lined up and  executed and both of them had described as lying under bodies at a time and having ants crawl across them. Mevlutin had hidden under his cousin´s corpse playing dead and at night time they had gotten up and emerged from this pile of corpses and together made their way out of the area and they talked about crossing a railroad tracks so I was personally interested in getting to that site to see if were telling the truth.

He then got help from a Western intelligence Official who marked up a map for him with possible further mass grave sites

More determined than ever to get the story David Rohde headed back alone to the Srebrenica area. He wanted to find the location mentioned by Mevlutin Oric and Hiriam Ciliac

(check on spelling of these names)

It took me quite a while to find it and it was on the other side of railroad tracks and I found this very large swathe of freshly turned earth. Dotted across it there were some berets and some shoes, Bosnian Muslim men tend to wear berets and by searching the woods near that area of fresh digging and found a pile of clothes and there were 3 canes in that pile and that seemed to collaborate what I had been told that older men had been killed and there were also jackets that belonged to civilians so  it would appear that between the fresh digging itself and the clothes and the canes that civilians had been killed at that execution site. As I was driving out I saw that on the other side of the road was a school and essentially everything they had described to me was exactly true

I then set out for the second site which was an earthen dam go there and I saw bones and I was taking out my camera…

(he was arrested)

 

And so on…to be continued

7 july 2010

I will continue transcribing this interview with Rohde which I recorded from radio onto tape this morning from the BBC World Service.

There can be no going back on these lies about Srebrenica by the ruling class.

The Racak lie led on to the bombing of Serbia and Kosovo, and that bombing lies at the very heart of the whole of the NATO lie

This has got very big implications for everybody involved in politics today. We on 4international will never let this go, and we will measure everybody we meet by where they stand on these issues

It is that important to us!

HOW THE JEWS CAN DEFEAT OBAMA AND US IMPERIALISM

The excellent DEBKAfile reporting agency has the following piece concerning the current visit of prime Minister Netanyahu to Obama in Washington. It is rivetting and vital knowledge, yet it still does not get to grips with the situation, because it offers no way forward for Jews in terms of leadership

The heading of the Debka report (http://www.debka.com/article/8893/) is that the talks today are stressing nuclear issues, Iran´s and Israel´s. But why should there be even one word spoken about the nuclear weapons of Israel? On the other hand there should be plenty about the nuclear bomb being built by Islam and Iran.
Even the Debka heading shows that for Israel US imperialism is nothing less than the road to destruction.
On this basis alone it would be much better for Netanyahu to refuse to meet with Obama at all. At the very least the agenda should be on the table in advance and every word spoken should be published by Israel.
The extreme minimum would be for Netanyahu to publish a statement in which he lays down the central requirements of the Jews of Israel, following their experience in 1939 to 45, then 48, then 1967 etc.
There is a precedent for this kind of situation. The Russian delegation under Leon Trotsky went to the Brest Litovsk Treaty, (Brest is a city near the Polish border in modern Belarus)
I am not suggesting there is an exact parallel between Israel of today facing Obama, and the newly formed Workers Republic of latye 1917 facing the powers around Germany, with the rest of the rabid Imperialist lands like Britain waiting in the wings, engaged in war to finish off the Workers Republic. But there must be similarities.
Lenin decided that the Workers State could not survive if Germany decided to invade Moscow. They signed in order to gain a breathing space. Once again I am not saying that the position of Netanyahu is so weak as that.
But what is certain is that: It is true that Obama has to be challenged. The question of how and when is also of extreme importance.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was assured of a much friendlier and correct  White House welcome for his fifth encounter with President Barack Obama July 6 – compared with the unmannerly treatment meted out to him on March 23. Still, five time bombs with short fuses are ticking under their seats on issues on which the US president’s internationalist, diplomacy-first attitude is far from Israel’s survivalist, security-first strategic outlook on a number of basic issues. Both will try to overcome their mutual mistrust.
Their respective approaches to Iran’s drive for a nuclear weapon and the future of Israel’s reputed nuclear arsenal are the most combustible of their five topics of discussion. The US and Israel clearly do not see eye on eye on how and when to take action against Iran.

On June 17, defense secretary Robert Gates said Iran was developing the capability to fire scores or hundreds of missiles at Europe. Ten days later, he reported Iran had enough low-enriched uranium to start building two atom bombs within two years. So by the time the new UN sanctions and the complementary measures Obama approved Friday, July 2 start biting and affecting Tehran’s decision-making, the last moment for halting the construction of a nuclear bomb will have come and gone.
On June 28, Adm. Mullen, Chairman of the Joint US Chiefs of Staff commented that the US and Israel are “in sync” over the time needed to find out if the sanctions are working or not.
debkafile’s military sources describe this assertion as a pious hope rather than established fact, because even the US president cannot be absolutely sure Israel will not launch a surprise attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities before it is too late. Until now, he applied the brakes on Israeli action by two means: One by a constant flow of senior American military and intelligence figures to Israel every couple of days and frequent invitations to security minister Ehud Barak and Israeli military leaders to visit the US; second, by a personal presidential pledge to Netanyahu that if Israel holds off from striking Iran, he will continue to back Israel on matters essential to its security.
One such matter is the policy of ambiguity with regard to Israel’s nuclear arsenal, i.e., never confirming its existence.
For Jerusalem, this pledge was cast in doubt by Washington’s decision, against Israeli protests, to support the resolution calling for a nuclear-free Middle East tabled by Egypt for the Arab and Non-Aligned blocs at the Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference that took place in Washington in May. This motion demanded that Israel join the NPT and accept international inspectors of its nuclear facilities. Israel was further angered by the fact that Iran and its nuclear weapons program were not even mentioned in the resolution.

Although US officials explained that a vote for the motion was obligatory given Obama’s comprehensive quest for a world without nuclear weapons. Although Israel’s government and security leaders never said this in so many words, they felt the administration had let them down on a key pledge and freed them of the commitment to refrain from a surprise attack on Iran.

Debka in the above remarks has very clearly explained the situation. There is now deep distrust between all sections of the Israeli Government and all sections of the Obama Regime.

This is indeed something new. No matter how bad the previous Presidents of the US were, the fiction that they would stand by Israel was always, somehow, maintained.

That has been totally torn asunder. The Israeli people, and it is also certain the people around Netanyahu, NO LONGER TRUST THE AMERICAN REGIME OF OBAMA.

Netanuahu is NOT Livni. I read material put about on the net that Netanyahu and Livni are just different forms of poison. This is especially the political line put across by the so called “Jewish” website Israpundit

Such as the following ignorant comment from an obvious ignoramus in the field of political strategy

Actually he is probably a lot better than Livni would have been since she would have been a clone of BHO (Barry Sotero).

BB, Better than Livni is like a choice between Ebola and Anthrax

The above is the depth of analysis on that site!

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/24642#comments

What that leaves out, to put it simply so that those dolts can understand, Netanyahu is NOT the same as Livni, because a very serious election has intervened, when the vast majority decided that Livni would no longer be the leader of the Jews, and Netanyahu was put in Livni´s  place BY THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

That kind of confusion by Israpundit, whose political line is as farcical as it is dangerous, has to be consciously opposed.

We on 4international are far from saying that Netanyahu is our hero, but we are saying in opposition to this treacherous Israpundit, that there is a difference between the Netanyahu Government and the previous Livni Government.

As we said above the essence of the matter is distrust. Livni was full of trust for the Arabs, before she led in the pulling of Jewish civilians and military from the Gaza. Livni also trusted Sharon and Bush.

The great gain of the Debka analysis is that it pinpoints that this trust is no longer there between the Israelis and the American Government. This is not a small matter in the whole post 1948 relations between these two pivotal states.

The Israeli prime minister and US president, in their talks Tuesday, must therefore forge a new “nuclear accord” governing both Iran and Israel.

*(Here I must confess I do not understand the Debka method, or are they being a little ironic. As they said already the trust is gone)

Assent on this question could ease the discord on four other key issues:
1.  Netanyahu says the “proximity talks,” formally started two months ago, have never really taken off, and progress on the topics at issue with the Palestinians demand direct talks for which he is fully prepared at any moment and for which Mahmoud Abbas has pre-conditions. The Israeli prime minister will discuss with the US president various formats for getting this dialogue on track, including a US-Saudi “Marshall Plan” for a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza Strip that came up during Saudi King Abdullah’s visit to the White House on June 29.

2.   They will also explore ways for Israel to go back to construction in Jerusalem and the West Bank settlements, even nominally, after the 10-month freeze expires on Sept. 26 to ease the pressure on Netanyahu at home. Several Knesset factions held off until after the prime minister’s White House visit a bill requiring the government to seek a parliamentary majority for any further suspension of construction. The US will demand closer monitoring of any future freeze.

The idea of seeking a majority before there is any future suspension of building in the “settlements”. Things in Israel move slowly but they do move. Reminds one of the English revolutionaries in the Cromwellian revolution. This issue alone is the most fundamental. At stake is the fact that to satisfy Abbas there will have to be at least 300,000 Jews moved out of the “West Bank” so that these Muslims can have their Muslim only statelet (like Bosnia, like Kosovo, like Armenia etc)

3.  The crisis between Turkey and Israel. So far, Washington had avoided guaranteeing to withhold its support from a UN Assembly motion calling for an international commission to probe the flotilla incident in which Israeli commandos boarded a Turkish vessel leading a convoy for breaking Israel’s Gaza blockade and ended in a clash in which 9 Turkish activists were killed and 6 Israelis injured.
Israel’s eased embargo on civilian goods to Gaza was widely welcomed.

The two leaders will explore a possible joint US-Israeli stand against Turkish Prime Minister Tayyep Recip Erdogan in view of his deepening bonds with the Tehran-Damascus-Hizballah-Hamas bloc.

4.  They will also discuss how the US and Israel can work together against the continued flow of heavy weaponry, including ballistic missiles, from Syria to the Lebanese Shiite terrorist Hizballah.

 

At the start of this month Caroline Glick came closest to the position of Trotsky and Lenin in the Brest Litovsk treaty talks

(By the way, the very first thing which Trotsky did when he made his appearance at the talks, he being preceded by other Russian members of the team, was to end the cosy and friendly relations with the Germans. Little things, like insisting that the Russian team had a separate place to have their tea breaks etc, on the basis that there were issues that needed to be discussed, were not little things at all. At the same time Trotsky was eyeing up the opposition, to see who were the front men, and to understand who were the real powers on the German side, concluding that it was the German Army High Command, not even at the conference. Netanyahu needs to have the same formality established)

It is on the issue of the inter play of respective forces that Glick is so correct and well worth listening to:

What this means is that Netanyahu is well placed to stand up to Obama’s pressure. If he plays his cards wisely, he can say no to Obama and avoid an open confrontation. For instance, instead of agreeing to extend the building prohibition, Netanyahu should say that he is willing to discuss that demand in face-to-face negotiations with Abbas. Rather than agree to Abbas’s preconditions, Netanyahu should say that he is willing to listen to Abbas’s position in face-to-face negotiations. And so on and so forth. Such statements by Netanyahu will take the pressure for making concessions off him and put Obama and Abbas on the spot.

Even more importantly, it will buy Israel time.

And buying time should be Israel’s chief goal with respect to Washington today. Since taking office, Obama has repeatedly demonstrated that he will not reconsider his fundamentally hostile view of Israel. Obama’s basic belief that Israel’s strength and size are to blame for all the violence and radicalism in the Arab world is not subject to change, regardless of how clearly and continuously events on the ground prove it wrong.

EVEN WORSE for Israel, Obama is not alone in this view. Indeed, as a report in Foreign Policy this week makes clear, Obama’s position on Israel is moderate when compared to the positions being staked out in influential policy circles in the US military.

On Wednesday, Foreign Policy published the content of a memo written last month in the US Military’s Central Command. The memo, a “Red Team” assessment of how the US should position itself vis-à-vis the likes of Hamas and Hizbullah, reveals that among key members of the US policy-making community, Israel is viewed with extreme hostility.

The leaked memo reportedly reflects the views of a significant number of senior and mid-level officers in Centcom, including large numbers of intelligence officers, as well as a significant number of area analysts stationed in the Middle East. It argues that it is wrong for the US to lump jihadist movements like Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaida and Hizbullah in one group.

Dismissing the significance of the identical religious dogma that stands at the root of these movements, the memo asserts that Hamas and Hizbullah are pragmatic and important social forces with which the US must foster good relations.

The memo calls for the US to support the integration of Hizbullah forces into the Lebanese military. It also calls for the US to encourage and permit the integration of Hamas forces into the US-trained Palestinian security forces.

As far as Israel is concerned, the memo blames the Jewish state for the US’s failure to date to adopt these recommended policies. Moreover, the memo’s authors condemn Israel’s maritime blockade of Gaza as keeping “the area on the verge of a perpetual humanitarian collapse.”

The Centcom memo also condemns Israel’s July 2006 decision to respond to Hizbullah’s unprovoked bombardment of northern Israel and its unprovoked cross-border attack against an IDF patrol in which five soldiers were killed and two were kidnapped and subsequently murdered.

Denying Hizbullah’s subservient relationship with the Iranian regime, the report claims that Israel’s decision to use force to defend itself against Hizbullah’s acts of war served to strengthen Hizbullah’s ties to Teheran.

What this memo shows is that Israel has little hope of seeing a change for the better in US policy in the near future and its best bet today is to play for time. Next week at the Oval Office, Netanyahu should capitalize on his advantage four months ahead of the congressional elections and put the burden on Obama and Abbas to show their good intentions.

Playing for time is what Glick suggests should be considered. This is what the Bolsheviks did clearly at Brest Litovsk. And was Lenin a conservative???

That idea is laughable but instructional, especially when one looks at this unchallenged comment on Israpundit, from a commenter who claims to live in the Negev:

Glick has lost it. We know she is still in BB’s tank but her advice is to stall for time avoiding confrontation? BB can’t avoid confrontation w/out conceding the kitchen sink and he’s already close to that.

What is to be gained by avoiding the inevitable confrontation that will come like a tsunami after the elections, no matter what the results?

Israel should tell Hussein to go Fuck himself and take on Obama personally with everything we can throw at him. We have lot of cards and leverage but chickenshit BB and Barak too cowardly to use them.

Glick did raise a key point BB and Barak are scared out of their gourds of the Israeli leftist media and that’s what they fear most, more than Hussein. They both want power for it’s own sake along with greed and personal megalomania.

OK, we might have to pay a steep economic price. So I’ll herd goats till it blows over. No big deal.

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/24513#more-24513

You can see how utterly subjective is the comment above.

It goes without saying that there is no examination of the real correlation of forces between the US and Israel. For example, where are the American ordinary people, especially the American Christian community, on the issue? Are the Christian Evangelized well organized. What about the American Jews? Where do they stand. And many other issues need to be analysed. But the writer above makes it all subjective in the thought that he will herd goats. Big deal that!

Certainly Glick is right. But the real question to follow up on Glick is “waiting for what”? Who can come to the aid of Israel in this coming periood? That is the central question to which 4international will return

HOLOCAUST DENIAL LIES AT THE CENTRE OF MUCH REACTION TODAY…ESPECIALLY ON THE “LEFT”

by Felix Quigley

April 23, 2009

Joshua Rosenburg has drawn attention to a recent article by Carl Savich which deals with the antics of a very notorious character (His name is Marko Attila Hoare) and associate of Oliver Kamm of the Times of London, also a close associate of the equally notorious Harry´s Place website. We deal once again with this man going under the very peculiar name, let me repeat it for effect, in case our readers are unfamiliar…Marko Attila Hoare !

This study is all the more important because it deals with aspects of Holocaust Denial.

[Begin study of Marko Attila Hoare here]

British Marxist, anti-Serbian nutjob & former Hague ICTY/NATO employee, Marko Attila Hoare and the Monty Python “Heinrich Himmler” sketch faux pas.

Hoare  is again proven an egregious liar about Alija Izetbegovic’s resurrected Bosnian Muslim Nazi “Handschar” [aka "Handzar"] division in this great article by Serbian-American historian, Carl Savich.

“Fact versus Delusional Fantasy: The Bosnian Muslim Government Reformed the Nazi SS Division Handzar”
http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/?p=518
April 19, 2009 – 12:58 pm
Marko Attila Hoare rejects and suppresses this factual image of Bosnian history in favor of a fantasy or delusional image from a television comedy. The real Heinrich Himmler (Heimlich Bimmler) reviewing the real or “historical” Bosnian Muslim Nazi SS Division Handzar, 1943.

Did the Bosnian Muslim Army and Government reform or recreate the infamous Nazi SS Division Handzar or not? Based on Martko Attila Hoare’s response to my article, Hoare now concedes that, indeed, there was a formation in the Bosnian Muslim Army termed the “Handzar Division”.

Let me reiterate that. Hoare admitted that the Bosnian Muslim Government did indeed reform the Handzar Nazi SS Division of World War II. When you cut through and deconstruct all the indeologically-driven claptrap, innuendo, ad hominen, personal attacks, this is the conclusion that he reaches.

Hoare is so caught up in his own arrogance and conceit that he does not even notice that he admitted this fact.

The issue or question is and always was: Did the Bosnian Muslim Government have a unit in its ranks known as the Handzar Division? Hoare’s reply is: Yes.

 

Marko Attila Hoare used this fantasy image to illustrate his article on the reformed Bosnian Muslim Handzar Nazi SS Division. Michael Palin is shown as Heimlich Bimmler (Heinrich Himmler), John Cleese as Mr. Hilter (Adolf Hitler), and Graham Chapman as Ron Vibbentrop (Joachim von Ribbentrop), from a 1970 episode of Monty Python’s Flying Circus. Reality is rejected over delusional fantasy constructs.

Hoare, nevertheless, convinces himself that he was “vindicated” in denying the existence of the reformed Handzar Division. How does he do this? His rebuttal consists of challenging the strength of the reformed Handzar Division. Now that he admits that it existed, he now challenges the size of the formation. His argument is:  The reformed Handzar Division did exist, as you claimed, but it was very small. It was a little bitty Nazi SS Division, not a big bad full-sized Nazi SS Division!

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The Holocaust as joke? Michael Palin as Heimlich Bimmler (Heinrich Himmler) in a 1970 comedy sketch. Isn’t Hoare a Holocaust denier? Fact: Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims, and Croats played a role in the real Holocaust.

But is this a valid argument? Is someone pregnant or not? Can you be pregnant by degree? Is someone dead or not? Can you be only dead to a small degree? Did the Bosnian Muslim Army recreate the Handzar Division or not? This requires a simple yes or no answer. What Hoare initially challenged and questioned was the existence of the division. To be sure, he hedged his bets and cheated by conceding that the division might exist “conceivably” but that its number was small in size.

Hoare hedged his bets this way: “[I]t is conceivable that there really was a handful of Muslim zealots who, during the recent war, fought on the Bosnian side and grandiloquently named themselves the ‘Handžar Division’ after this historic unit.”

Hoare, in essence, denied that the division existed at all. This was the gist of his article. Now he admits and concedes that it, in fact, existed. Now he argues that the unit or formation was a small one. It is hard to pinpoint exactly what he claimed because he constantly changes his arguments and contentions.

Fact versus delusional fantasy? This is a factual image of the real Henrich Himmler (Heimlich Bimmler) with the real Bosnian Muslim Nazi SS Division Hnadzar which Hoare has suppressed and repressed. Delusional fantasy is more reassuring than factual reality.

A fair characterization of his initial argument was that there was no evidence for the reformation of the Handzar Division. The eyewitness account of military analyst and journalist Robert Fox was deemed not credible. Hoare disingenuously hedged his argument by claiming that “conceivably” it could have existed. The way to translate this argument is:  No, the Handzar Division was not reformed. But, nevertheless, it is possible it may have been reformed. Of course, this is nonsensical and absurd.
 
Hoare then concluded: “Monty Python is a much better source for accurate historical information than Neil Clark and his comrades.”

So was the Handzar Division reformed or not? In his rebuttal to my article, Hoare now admits that the Handzar Division was reformed. He again hedges his bets by claiming this time that it was a small unit formed by “zealots”. But, again, the size of the unit or formation was never the question or issue. If there was a small unit or formation in the U.S. Army or British Army termed the “Adolf Hitler Regiment” or “Das Reich Division”, would it be relevant or material that the unit in question was only made up of “a handful” of “zealots”? Now that the existence of the unit is accepted and acknowledged, the issue shifts to the size of the unit, which is unknown.

Hoare concluded:  “It would seem that the ‘Handžar Division’,  confidently described as numbering ‘about 6,000 troops’ by our friend, does indeed turn out to be a bit smaller when the available evidence is examined closely.”

Hoare here mischaracterized Fox’s original statement by quoting my  estimate of the strength of the unit. Fox stated that UN peacekeeping “officers” had told him that the reformed “Handzar Division” was “up to 6,000-strong.” Fox emphazied that the strength of the unit was an approximation or estimate made by UN observers. Fox refers to the formation as a “unit” and as an element of the Bosnian army. Hoare ignores this explicit language and now argues that Fox claimed that the reformed unit consisted of “about 6,000 troops”.  But nowhere does Fox state that the unit was made up of 6,000 troops. The phrase “up to 6,000-strong” could encompass any number from one member to 6,000 members. Moreover, Hoare ignored that fact that Fox referred to the formation as a “unit” in his report leaving the actual size open to debate. Fox referred to the members of the unit as “Handzars” and as “[h]ardline elements of the Bosnian army, like Handzar.” Fox wrote that the formation was a “unit” of the Bosnian army similar to other units: “The Handzars are working closely with other units around Fojnica. ” But even at 6,000 men, it would only have ranked as a regiment or brigade, which usually consist of up to 5,000 men, not a division, which is generally accepted as a formation of 10,000 men or more.  In short, the focus or emphasis of the Fox report was the existence of the unit, not the size, on which issue Fox only proffered a potential maximum figure that was based on a UN estimate.

Finally, Hoare rejected Fox’s 1993 news report from the London Daily Telegraph out of hand, but this was not done by the Republican Policy Committee of the United States Senate, which cited Fox’s report as credible and accurate. In a January 16, 1997 report, the Committee, chaired at the time by U.S. Senator Larry E. Craig, Republican from Idaho, noted that  “there exists another group known as the Handzar (’dagger’ or ’scimitar’) Division” and quoted from Fox’s report. Thus, members of the U.S. Senate, tasked with safeguarding the lives of U.S. troops, found Fox’s report to be factual, credible, and accurate. Only Marko Attila Hoare questioned the veracity and accuracy of the Fox report. Absurdly, the Bosnian Muslim Government or Army never denied the existence of the reformed “Handzar Division”. Only Hoare has done this. At the war crimes trials of Bosnian Muslim military commanders at the ICTY, the existence of the “Handzar Division” as part of the Bosnian Muslim Army is openly acknowledged and detailed.

The translation is: The Bosnian Muslim Government of Alija Izetbegovic reformed the Nazi SS Division Handzar during the 1992-1995 civil war. This is the only logical conclusion when one cuts through all of Hoare’s labels and propagandistic nomenclature.

Hoare uses a bevy of labels to do the thinking for him: “Serb-nationalists” (yes, with a hyphen!), “Milosevic supporters” (at least Hoare gets the correct pronunciation of his name with the correct Serbo-Croat form of his name), “Islamofascist” (no hyphen, a neologism popular after 9-11), “members of a US-based circle of Milosevic supporters and Srebrenica deniers” (an analogy with Holocaust deniers), “Great Serbia” (a propaganda term coined by Austria-Hungary before World War I), “ex-Maoist” (is that a good or a bad thing?), “Milosevic-supporting, Srebrenica-denying website” (hyphenated now, denoting an activity), “all good Chomskyites” (are there such people as “Chomskyites” out there?), “Serb nationalists and their supporters” (no hyphen;  do “Serb nationalists” have supporters?), “Serb nationalists and their fellow travellers”  (didn’t this term go out with the Joseph McCarthy Communist Witch Hunts during the 1950s Red Scare?), and “the Great Serbia supporters”.

How can one explain this plethora of labels? Why does Hoare use such preposterous and risible labels? We use labels to preclude thought or thinking. Labels are a shortcut to thinking and intellectual debate or discusiion. In fact, labels are meant to preclude or prevent any thought at all. This is why Hoare uses labels. They are mindless and senseless. Why use them then? In essence, Hoare does not want to debate or discuss these issues rationally or logically. He thus engages in the use of labels, what is termed “name calling” in propaganda analysis.  In propaganda, we use “pulpit words” or “glittering words” to describe ourselves and our own actions and the opposite words to describe our opponents. In short, Hoare wants to preclude any thought or debate. This is why he resorts to such propagandistic words. There is no thought or thinking going on, no discussion or debate or dialectic. There is only a stream of pre-selected labels or prejudiced or loaded words. It is like when Polonius asked Hamlet what he was reading:  “Polonius: What do you read, my lord? Hamlet: Words, words, words.”

The case is closed. As Detective Steve McGarrett would say to Detective Danny Williams, “Book ‘em, Danno!”

[end study of Marko Attila Hoare here]

The great strength of this study is that it shows that Marko Attila Hoare is responsible for a great revision of history, which is essentially what he does when he makes a joke about an aspect of the Holocaust in the Balkans.

Let us be very clear here. The Handzar division was a Nazi SS Division, and was created out of the forces of Islam in the Balkans.

To deny that is bad, but to deny as Hoare does that that was recreated by Izetbegovic is the most dangerous of all.

Because if you do that then you are saying that the study by Christopher Simpson in “Blowback” and in all the studies of the actions and words of Ahmadinejad in the present are of no relevance.

That another Holocaust is not possible!

That is the great fact that all on this British Imperialist Labourist wing surrounding Kamm, Harry´s Place, the British Media in total except for one noted journalist Eve Ann Prentice, worked might and main to keep hidden during the 90s and indeed since to this very day!

And that is where the Savich claim about Marko Attila Hoare Holocaust Denial is located. They are all guilty of this.

We on 4international have also met Jewish people who did not want to know about this aspect of history, or like Bill Narvey of Israpundit claimed that it had no relevance to today.

We also think that at the centre of all of the Fascist Leftist posturing of today on Israel lies a deep form of Holocaust Denial.

Behind the antics of people like Sinead Cusack now canvassing for her Israel hating son today in Ireland and wider is another form of truth denial, because what is denied is the situation of the Shoah which made it imperative to found Israel.

In fact all attacks that I see being made on Israel today, whether it is in Fatah and Abbas, in Hamas, in Hizbullah, or Iran…all are forms of Holocaust Denial.

There is another distortion which I would like our readers to understand acutely.

It was Leon Trotsky who emerged in the 1930s as the greatest advocate for Jewish nationalism, which he promoted because he had made a deep study of Fascism, and saw the great danger to the Jews from the Nazis.

For some reason the Lefts and “Trotskyists” have also hidden this aspect of history.

And in a strange way these things have come back together again in the grave danger to the Jews of Israel and all the Jews in the Diaspora from a combination of Fascist Islam and Fascist US Foreign policy (of Bush and Obama)

While we on 4international alone continue to fight to defend the Jews of Israel and insist that Israel has no choice but to wage war on the Iranian Nuclear agenda.

We do not wish this. But like Trotsky in the 1930s we are realistic and we try to emulate the realism of Trotsky re 1930s Fascism in the situation of today.

The essence of Hoare, and essentially also of Harry´s Place, Nick Cohen, Maggie O´Kane et al, in the following

The reformed Handzar Division did exist, as you claimed, but it was very small. It was a little bitty Nazi SS Division, not a big bad full-sized Nazi SS Division!

In their analysis of Marko Attila Hoare, in their insisting on his attempts of making a joke out of the Holocaust in the Balkans showing him as a real danger to Jewish people, Joshua and Carl have brought us a great deal further forward.

ISRAEL WILL ATTACK IRAN AND MUST BE SUPPORTED BY SOCIALISTS

by Felix Quigley

April 21, 2009

 

The clock is now ticking down to war between Israel and Iran, with the US Government lining up with Iran, that is with the Iranian Fascist regime, and everything about the US Fascists, Nazis and Jew Haters, and their alliance with their pet babies the Iranian Fascists right out in the open.

This is now totally unavoidable, as surely as night follows day.

This is what we on 4international have said consistently for at least 2 years. We base our analysis on a number of things.

1. That the Jews are indeed a real nation

2. That Islam is antisemitic to the core. The real essence of the Arab rulers in the Arab League and all those Islamist countries in the UN is to prevent Infidels having a base in THEIR lands.

3. The Mullahs of Iran are motivated by Jew Hatred just as much as were the German Nazis

4. In fact during the Holocaust there was at every level close relations between Islam and the German Nazis. That is fact, hidden but easily proven.

The key to the whole situation is the US Government and how the US elite and to some extent the EU elite is lining up with Islam.

The reason for this is extremely simple and if you are a Trotskyist just a little obvious. They both seek a union together against the threatened socialist revolution.

The following report from DEBKAfile will have to be digested with some urgency:

[Begin DEBKAfile report here]

dated April 21, 2009

DEBKAfile‘s military sources cite some Western intelligence and nuclear weapons experts as predicting that Iran could turn out nuclear weapons some time in the next 12 months.

This estimate is based on Tehran’s announcement that 7,000 centrifuges are in operation to enrich uranium. If all those machines were to work at top speed day and night, seven days a week, they could produce enough weapons-grade uranium to build a bomb in 60 days, say some intelligence sources. According to American experts, given the current rate of the program’s development, Iran will be in a position to manufacture as many as 60 nuclear bombs and warheads in 12 to 18 months.

This judgment was confirmed by Israel’s military intelligence (AMAN) chief, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin in his latest briefing to the cabinet Monday, April 20. He reported that Iran is going all-out for enriched uranium from overseas to shorten the process.

Japanese sources recently reported that a North Korean boat shipped a large quantity to Iran earlier this year. According to the big-circulation The Nikkei, the North Korean vessel’s hold carried a secret cargo of uranium highly-enriched to 50-60 percent. The ship set out for Iran in December, moving moved at a leisurely pace so as not to call attention from Western spy satellites, surveillance vessels and warships. Earlier this year, the illegal consignment was dropped at an Iranian port for transport to a facility near Tehran, according to the Japanese paper.

Yadlin noted that extreme economic crisis has not delayed Tehran’s headlong nuclear progress or curtailed its designs on other Middle East countries – Hizballah’s subversive activities in Egypt are not a lone instance. Inflation is officially put at 30 percent but is probably closer to 50 percent, while unemployment is deepening, yet Tehran upped the 2009 appropriation for its nuclear program by 15 percent.

Rather than translating the crisis into leverage for persuading Iran to abandon its nuclear objectives, the Israeli intelligence chief noted that the Obama administration has opened the door to dialogue with all the extremists of the Middle East, including Iran, albeit “with open eyes.”

Iran, for its part, is accelerating its nuclear program, taking full advantage of the undercover communications with Washington which are aimed at gaining Tehran’s cooperation for the US war effort in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

from

 

(Iran could produce first nuke

 in 60 days with 7,000

centrifuges  working 24/7

DEBKAfile Special Report

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6035

 

If as we on 4international believe that the Jews are a nation, and have been for thousands of years, then a number of things follow

1. There is no alternative. Israel must make war on the Mullahs, and specifically the Nuclear Bomb making of the Mullahs

2. The Mullahs are not an ordinary opponent, they are an opponent which denies the Holocaust. Logically that means that they have a new Holocaust of the Jews in mind

3. Israel will attack. That is the historical role of Netanyahu and his colleague Lieberman

4. Because without that attack the Jewish nation is as good as dead.

And that is what is spelled out in the Debka report above and is the esence of the position of 4international. Israel must act! Israel must be supported by all socialists and progressive peoples. That support given the power of antisemitism has to be fought for.

THIS JEW HATRED TODAY IS PREPARING THE GROUND FOR A NEW HOLOCAUST OF THE JEWS

by Felix Quigley

February 26, 2009

We on 4international stand totally behind the Jews of the world and of their Homeland Israel.

There has been a huge rise in antisemitism in every part of the world. In Paris 2 years ago a young Jewish person was murdered. In Paris in recent weeks during the Gaza War there has been a massive increase in attacks on Jews.

One of the results is that in Paris the home of the Renaissance Jews have been advised not to go out on the streets after 7 oclock in the evening, and that they should not appear as Jew, meaning to watch what they wear and how they look, headgear etc.

This is due to 2 things.

One is the massive influx of Arabs into France, Arabs who are really Islamists. They are carrying on an invective against Israel.

The second is the role of the modern Media. It was seen in the Mohammed El Durra France 2 affair that the French Media was totally hostile to Israel.

Consequently these antisemitic Arabs in Paris have an unchallenged right to attack Israel politically and Jews physically. Along with that movements which call themselves erroneously “Leftist” are fully joined at the hip with Islam; Marx Lenin and Trotsky are spinning in their graves I am sorry to say.

 

All of these things mean a huge increase in the level of antisemitism.

One of the very worst things which came to a head during the Gaza war was the intense propaganda against Israel. I live in Spain and it was coming from all sides, from the Media and from confused Spanish people, confused by the lies of the Media

Let me go over a few things.

 

1. The Jews withdrew from Gaza. I mean every single last Jew left Gaza and handed the area over to the Arabs. The Jews even left the Arabs property such as green houses which could be used by the Arabs to help them on their way. The Jews also even left synagogues which stripped of the contents Jews look on as mere buildings. But they were sound concrete structures. They could have been used as youth clubs. The Arabs tore them down stone by stone.

2. But then the Arabs of Gaza promptly elected a Fascist Nazi movement of Jew killers, Hamas, who then stepped up their attacks on Israel. Materially with rockets. Verbally by calls to wipe Israel off the map etc. (They are supporters of Ahmadinejad)

IT CAME DOWN TO A CONCRETE PROBLEM…HOW COULD THE JEWS STOP THE ROCKETS

So basically Israel had to decide how to stop the rockets. It is a fact that the Israeli Labourist Kadima Government members were very weak and unpatriotic and allowed Jews to suffer these rockets for many years.

Still that is not my point here.

Those who have attacked Israel must say 2 things

 

1. They must say that Israel has to simply absorb these rocket attacks on their state. This is antisemitism in action. Is that not clear!

2. They must say that Israel must give in to these attacks on its people and follow the agenda of these antisemitic Arab terrorists which means

*pack up their bags and leaving their Homeland set out on their travels around the world once more as a stateless people

*return to the lines of 1967, from where they were attacked actually in 1967 by Nasser and the other Arab states. So why?

Both of these are also obviously antisemitic suggestions to put to Jews.

 

Becoming again a persecuted people is antisemitic suggestion. No?

Returning to lines which the Arabs used to attack before is antisemitic suggestion as well. No?

And in our next part we will look at some of these antisemitic ideas in action in the West of today.

I take the following from the Harry´s Place website despite certain differences with the organizers there

In the first they take a quote from the notorious Israel hater George Galloway. Here Galloway is comparing the Jews to nazis.

“In April and May of 1943, the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto were surrounded by barbed wire fences, by the occupiers of Poland, and they faced a choice, in the words of the song of the partisans: ‘They could die on their knees or they could live forever’. And they chose to rise up against their occupier, to use their bodies as weapons, to dig tunnels, to fight, not to die in ones and twos of hunger and typhus, but to die as free men and women. Today, the Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw Ghetto, and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jews in Warsaw in 1943.”

So in that quote from Galloway it is clear that the Palestinians of Gaza are the Jews of the Holocaust and that the Jews today of tiny Israel are the Nazis

And the same kind of thing is seen in the next set of pictures. There is the attack on Jews as being Nazis and carrying out a Holocaust of the Arabs.

But 1300 Arabs were killed and Hamas killed some of these through executions etc. Also Hamas set up so that the Israelis had to kill civilian Arabs. I mean it is quite possible to do this.

The British Muslim Initiative, one of the organisers of the demonstrations, put it on their placards:

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As did the Palestinian Forum in Britain:

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So this is conscious.

This is an attempt to make the Jews of Israel out to be Nazis.

And this we argue on this site is the preparation for a new Holocaust of the Jews. Nothing ever is as it seems. And when people argue that the Jews are the Nazis of today then that is going to result in a Holocaust of the Jews.

 

It is such an enormous lie that it must have the most severe intent and implications.

JEWS ARE THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH, ROARS OUT HAMAS TV

by Felix Quigley

January 15, 2009

This is a short interlude on 4international and refers the reader to an excellent study on Palestinian Media Watch. How can the Professional Journalists of the Media (I mean they are getting paid for writing and spewing out their filth against Israel) dare to do so, you may ask yourself after reading the PMW reports of the actuality, and that actuality about the “beloved Palestinians” is grim indeed. A good blogger called New Oxfordian called the BBC commentary “an antisemitic screech”. How apt! What a good description!

But it confirms totally what we on 4international continually say…”Palestinianism” is the new Fascism. It is out of this that Fascism will arise.

The url is

http://www.pmw.org.il/Bulletins_Jan2009.htm#b110109

This is just the beginning

Hamas using children in combat support roles

by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook, Jan. 13, 2009

A child in Gaza describes how he and other children are being used in combat support roles for Hamas fighters. According to the Palestinian child, children are being used as scouts to follow Israeli movements, and as couriers to supply ammunition and deliver information to the Hamas fighters.

The following is the description of the children’s combat support roles, quoted in an Israeli Arab weekly:

“[The newspaper] Kul Al-Arab called many Gaza Strip residents, to comprehend the situation of the people who are suffering for two weeks from the wild Israeli aggression…

Khaled, from A-Rimal [in Gaza], said: ‘We the children, in small groups and in civilian clothes, are fulfilling missions of support for the [Hamas] Resistance fighters, by transmitting messages about the movements of the enemy forces, or by bringing them ammunition and food. We ourselves are not aware of the movements of the Resistance fighters. We see them in one place, they suddenly disappear, and then reappear somewhere else. They are like ghosts, it is very hard to find them or hurt them.’”
[Kul-Al-Arab (Israeli Arab weekly), January 9, 2009]

Saudi scholar on Hamas TV:

Jews are the enemies of Allah

 
and should be killed

 

 

by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook, Jan. 12, 2009

“Jews are the enemies of Allah,” and therefore by definition are the enemies of all Muslims. This opinion is expressed by Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi, head of the Department of Islamic Studies at Saud University in Saudi Arabia, in a speech broadcast last week on Hamas TV. The religious scholar also prays for the extermination of all Jews: “Kill them one by one and don’t leave even one.” Hamas leaders have expressed on numerous occasions the belief that all Jews should be exterminated. (Click to see PMW bulletin.)

The religious scholar likewise expresses rage at the Muslim countries who are allied with the West, calling them “traitors…
who believe in America,” instead of in Allah.

YAMIT82…NOBODY IS LAUGHING OUT LOUD

by Felix Quigley

Israpundit is a very important site for the Jewish people especially now that there has to be organized a great discussion on just how Israel can face up to its enemies.

The news which has emerged from a source within the talks going on between the Israeli ruling class of Livni and Olmert, with the Palestinian Arab fascists presided over by the US Imperialists of Bush, led in the talks by Rice, shows the enormous dangers which Israel and the lives of all Jews are in. This is why we on 4international are very critical of some of the discussions that are taking place there. The most recent issue is over the issue of apostasy and the general position of religion in the Jewish strugggle. Nobody really likes tackling this but it has to be tackled head on if we are to have the discussion necessary for the saving of Israel from its enemies. Continue reading

REPORT SHOWS GREAT DANGER TO ISRAEL…BUT ISRAPUNDIT BETRAYS

By Felix Quigley

Israel is now in the greatest danger that it has ever been in during all of its life. We on 4international have repeatedly emphasised that the way in which Yugoslavia was destroyed (wiped off the map) was through an alliance of American, British and German Imperialism which set up reactionary alliances with Fascist/Nazi entities within Yugoslavia. Those entities were the Fascists around Tudjman in Croatia, the Islamofascists in Bosnia around Izetbegovic, and the Thaci/Haradinaj Fascists and Stalinists of Kosovo. Weak on their own, nevertheless the role of US and NATO/EU Imperialism with all of its power, especially Military power linked to Media power, meant that the Serbs were isolated and defeated. Much of this went on behind the scenes, the public were not aware because the public always underestimates the role of conspiracy and secrecy in how the ruling Capitalist class works.

This is the great danger to the Jews today. Continue reading