It seems that quite a few European countries are in the process of “recognizing” the “state” of “Palestine.” The question arises as to what the appropriate response from Israel should be to these actions by the Europeans. (WRITES THE ISRAELI PROFESSOR STEVEN PLAUT IN AN ABSOLUTELY BRILLAINT PROPOSAL THAT 4INTERNATIONAL BELIEVES IN AND WILL ACT ON)
Here is a plan:
If Belgium recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Flemish, the Walloons, and the Belgium Germans, and officially recognize the right of each group to set up its own state.
If Denmark recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movement of the Faroese and officially recognize the right of the Faroe Islands to be an independent state.
If Finland recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Åland Swedes, and officially recognize their right to set up their own state.
If France recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Basques in France, of Brittany, of Northern Catalonia, of Savoy, of Occitania, and of course of Corsica. Israel should officially recognize their right to set up their own states and arm them generously.
If Germany recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Bavarians, the East Frisians, the Franconians, the Lusatians, and the people of Shleswig-Holstein, and Israel must officially recognize their right to set up their own states.
If Italy recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Sardinians, the South Tyrolese, and the people of Lombardy, and officially recognize their right to set up their own states.
If Holland recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Frisians, and officially recognize their right to set up their own state.
If Russia recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements inside Russia, a list of whom would fill a page,, and officially recognize their right to set up their own states.
If Spain recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Basques, the Catalans, the Andalusians, the Aragonese, the Asturians, the Balearic Islanders, the Cantabrians, the Leonese, the Galicians, and the Portuguese living in Spain. Israel must officially recognize the right of each group to set up its own state.
If Sweden recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Scanians, and officially recognize their right to set up their own state.
If Switzerland recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Genevans, Jurassiens, and the people of Ticino, and officially recognize their right to set up their own states.
If Turkey recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize all the separatist movements inside Turkey, first and foremost the Kurds, officially recognize their right to set up their own states and arm them to the teeth.
If the UK recognizes “Palestine,” then Israel must recognize the separatist movements of the Scots, the Welsh, the Manx, Cornwall, Ulster, the Shetland Islands, the Orkney Islands, the Outer Hebrides, and officially recognize their right to set up their own states.
FURTHER COMMENT BY 4INTERNATIONAL
Israel really should issue clear statement on
Crimea (if they want it)
and needs to be done without delay (the hotter they are the better it is for Israel)
ISRAEL MUST UNDERSTAND WHAT IT STANDS FOR HISTORICALLY
The Jews are a very historical people and nation and hold big sway. Just a statement of intent is a very powerful blow struck for its own freedom and also for the freedom of nations, and against all forms of Big Nation repression
Just imagine the power in this. Imagine the stir this will créate in the staid halls of the BBC… they will go insane. Why not! What has Israel to lose? Nothing and everything to gain!
We Trotskyists of 4international. Very supportive of Israel. Insist that Fatah and Hamas have roots in the Antisemitism of Hitler and Hajj Amin el Husseini. Husseini a founder of the Musmim Brotherhood. Roots of “Palestinianism” lie in the Holocaust of the Jews. The Holocaust was the coming together of the Islam of the Koran and Fascism. A frightening mix which is being threatened today again on many fronts. We wish to explore those fronts…please help our work…
Peace Partner? Abbas’s Fatah Demands More Car Terror Attacks
By Ari Yashar
Palestinian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah movement, still held up as a “moderate” counterbalance to Hamas by many in the world, is actively calling for car terrorist attacks after a recent spate of three such attacks in the last two weeks.
The flurry of Fatah Facebook activity urging more attacks ramming cars into Jews was exposed and translated by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).
After a Hamas terrorist murdered a Border Patrol officer and wounded many others with his car in Jerusalem on Wednesday, and later another Arab driver ran into three soldiers, Fatah on Thursday posted numerous cartoons and images to its page calling for more such attacks.
One cartoon was titled “the run over organization,” using a play of words on the Arabic da’es meaning “run over” and Da’esh, the Arabic acronym for Islamic State (ISIS). In the cartoon, Fatah urges “hit the gas at 199 (kmh, 125 mph – ed.) for Al-Aqsa.”
A crossed-over traffic sign reads “Al-Aqsa,” hinting at the ban on Jewish entry to the Temple Mount by the Jordanian Waqf (Islamic trust) that is in de facto control of the holiest site in Judaism.
Another Fatah post on Thursday reads simply “run over, friend, run over the foreign settler!”
Indeed numerous terrorist websites, including that of Hamas, have been touting a “car intifada” in the wake of the Wednesday attacks.
In yet another post from Wednesday, a picture of former PA Chairman Yasser Arafat shouting was subtitled “the Jews are defiling Al-Aqsa – will you not rage?”
PMW has documented how Abbas last month, just weeks before the recent series of lethal attacks, called to prevent Jews “defiling” the Temple Mount by “all means necessary,” in an uncanny echo of Arafat’s call for the 2000 Second Intifada. Abbas’s call for terror was given heavy rotation on official PA TV.
Another post on Fatah’s official Facebook page Thursday showed a man shooting an assault rifle on the ground with the words “restore your glory.”
The incessant urging of terror was not only found on Fatah’s main Facebook page; “The National Liberation Movement – Fatah” page also got into the terror action on Thursday, showing a cartoon of a car with Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) flag colors trying to ram three fleeing Jews.
The text under the cartoon reads “#Da’es (“run over” – ed.) – a new hashtag.”
“May Allah protect the heroes,” the same page wrote in another post Thursday, praising an alleged stabbing that was reported in the frequently fictitious Arab media.
“Reports of a stabbing of a Zionist security guard and taking of his weapon in North Jerusalem. May Allah protect the heroes. #Palestine_resists,” the page bragged.
The same Fatah page also on Thursday posted a short video of Arab riots on the Temple Mount, writing “and they ask why we run them over!” The convoluted logic appears to be justifying the terror attacks in recent weeks with the Arab violence on the holiest site in Judaism.
Hitler is a monster of wickedness, insatiable in his lust for blood and plunder. Not content with having all Europe under his heel, or else terrorized into various forms of abject submission, he must now carry his work of butchery and desolation among the vast multitudes of Russia and of Asia. The terrible military machine, which we and the rest of the civilised world so foolishly, so supinely, so insensately allowed the Nazi gangsters to build up year by year from almost nothing cannot stand idle lest it rust or fall to pieces. . . So now this bloodthirsty guttersnipe must launch his mechanized armies upon new fields of slaughter, pillage and devastation.Winston Churchill June 1941 on Nazi invasión of Russia
Yesterday I claimed that in the face of Abbas Hamas pact that the Israeli leaders, all of them, were paralysed. How sadly true that was. Interviewed by BBC Antisemites Netanyahu was on the defensive. Netanyahu used the word “peace” 20 times. But unfortunately it is war.
Netanyahu is a creature of US Imperialism and if Jews are not careful the whole of the Israeli struggle for a Homeland is going down the same road. It is a life and death struggle now to create a new leadership which can break from the past. In this real and material world who cares about acceptance by capitalist nation states all of which are being driven (like Spain) towards Fascist rule once again. Who cares, really?
Yet Netanyahu will NOT fight the Americans. The US said at first (yesterday) that Abbas joining Hamas was not a nice thing to do, but this morning 24 hours later America was calling for a “compromise” to be reached. Who has to compromiso? The Jews. That is the same as asking Jews as they were marched into the Nazi concentration camp to compromiso!!! Hamas and Abbas ARE the Nazis in modern form.
The Islam enemy of the Jews now Abbas and Hamas has called war and America calls compromise. America wants Jews to compromise, as in 1939 at the gates of Auschwitz
But America that is Kerry were not seeking compromise this morning when they were declaring war on Russia over Ukraine. When will this hypocrisy ever be ended.
On all of these issues Israeli and Jewish leadership is bankrupt. They can DO nothing and will do nothing. Jewish leadership is a total danger to the Jewish people on all of its fronts.
Here I kid you not. Just yesterday the Jewish so called blog called Israpundit gang of violent Fascists were focussed (at this time) on driving off Israpundit a Christian man who this gang of fascists had labelled an Antisemite. This particular Christian has the same policy more or less as Martin Sherman in that he calls for Arabs to be induced to leave with lump sum payment. So he is an asset to the Jews. But the gang of Israpundit were driving him off AND OTHERS with repeated slurs of him being an Antisemite.
It is just an expression of the crisis, no more tan that. Groups and individuals that have sprung up around the Jewish movement have to be questioned on every single issue of programme and policy. But when they start throwing the label “Antisemite” around that is a real danger sign.
The situation needs urgently a revolutionary socialist Trotskyist Party. This will go back into the 1930s and to the analysis which Leon Trotsky was making against Stalinism and against Fascism. How to defeat Imperialism? How to stop Fascism? How to save Jews from Antisemitism? The fight against Stalinism and the legacy of Stalinism! The fight for principle! Opposition to isolationism and the struggle for a principled Trotskyist Party in these conditions of world capitalist crisis.
First of all American diplomats like Kerry must be banned from entering Israel.
The forces of this Fascist movement which we can label as “Palestinianism” must be smashed. This means the immediate arrest of the PA leadership and as el Sisi did with Morsi Abbas must be placed on trial for his crimes. Join forces with el Sisi to smash hamas totally, and executing all its leaders all of whom have murdered Jews. But take possession of both gaza and Sinai.
The politics of Caroline Glick must be opposed down the line—I would say on everything and here I disagree with Martin Sherman…I say oppose her on everything! There can be no living at all with Arabs in the Jewish homeland and rather than that Jews have to protect themselves from this form of Antisemitsm. Glick proposes to make them citizens…what a horror show that is and what a horror show is Glick!
Israel has to be far less reliant on these international capitalist governments. Israel is far too intent on business. Fight for principle. Israel must now urgently create an Alliance with those Russians in Ukraine who are fighting Fascism and fighting NATO. Israel must state that the Kiev regime must be overthrown and as an immediate action Russia must move into East Ukraine with all its force to stop these murders of antifascist fighters as happened yesterday…five murdered by the Fascists. But Israeli leaders say not a Word…a horror show for Jews. People are fighting Fascism and Jews are silent as the grave!
And so on. Name any issue and Israeli leaders are totally useless and worse downright dangerous for Jews.
Above all créate a party which will fight in concrete form for principle. This is 4international and we do have a definite programme of theory and action which is rooted inside the great history of Trotskyism. So far it is a free world. join us if you have the courage to act rather tan talk…Felix Quigley
What is Zionism? Zionism is in its essence the struggle for a Jewish Homeland. We on 4international defend that completely. Is Zionism different from the Irish (to give one example) national liberation movement down the centuries. It is more long lived going back 3000 years but in essence it is the same.
It is becoming clearer that the Capitalist Zionist leaders cannot lead to victory.
These Zionist leaders are now lining up WITH OBAMA and against the national rights of the Russian people, in Russia because that is what the Ukraine issue is all about. The US Government and the EU were up to their necks in intrigue in Ukraine in which they were supporting FASCIST communist haters, also by the way Jew Haters. We have a picture of Victoria Nuland the US Undersecretary of State handing out food treats to these Fascists in the Maidan Square
It is hard not to draw the severest conclusions about all of these Capitalist Zionist leaders from this experience.
4international is a fighter for Zionism but we are indeed disgusted and repelled by the support which Zionist bourgeois leaders are giving to NATO, Kerry, the UN, Obama and Cameron on this issue of Ukraine.
This was the time! This was the time when Jews had to take a principled stand, dismiss the Kerry BBC lies about Russia and Ukraine, and fight to oppose the Fascists who took over the Government of Ukraine illegally. They all failed in their own very miserable way. This is the end of the road for bourgeois Zionism.
This is a signal for all Jews of character to break from these leaders but/and far more important to build 4international as the alternative leadership for the Jews and for all of humanity.
Examples of these Capitalist Zionist leaders are: Israpundit, Jews News, Breitbart, Pamela Geller, Jihadwatch and Frontpagemag.
All of these are in support of Obama and are sticking a knife into the back of Putin on behalf of Obama
There is not ONE statement of principled support for Putin in defence of Russian Rights in the Crimea and indeed in Ukraine against a crisis hit US Imperialism.
Note how CRISIS DRIVEN the US is. They are preparing to take on and defeat a NUCLEAR armed power which is Russia.
Look at the risks they are running there. The US and EU are risking everything by taking on Russia and backing Fascists. The question is what then will Obama not be prepared to do against Israel, which is a far lesser power than Russia.
Yet the nature of Bourgeois Jews like above is that they are so wedded to Capitalism that they MUST drag their sorry bourgeois Zionist asses into the lobby behind the worst Antisemite on the Planet Obama and his Democratic and Republican flunkeys
The crisis in capitalism deepens and we face another major convulsion, we expect over the next 12 months it will be convulsion after convulsion. Warren Buffett is predicting a major economic collapse. That means dictatorship or moves towards dictatorship in EVERY country.
Spain is one of the nearest to dictatorship. Youth unemployment remains 70 per cent and perhaps even more. The Rajoy PP Government says that they are getting better “poco a poco” bit by bit. But the youth in Spain sense that this is a false hope and anyway too slow. Conclusion Spanish capitalism is bankrupt.
UNCONDITIONAL DEFENCE OF PUTIN IS VITAL
This crisis in capitalism means above all war with Russia so that NATO can defeat Russia and destroy Putin, thus breaking the country up into their planned regions. The defence of Putin now becomes as important as was the defence of Milosevic.
Putin meanwhile is caught in the world capitalist trap, since it is a world unified capitalist economy the Russian state is now highly dependent on the export of petrol and gas. But that export keeps on adding to global warming, and in turn that global warming is destroying the Arctic and will cause huge crisis in China, as they use up all available water including from the Glaciers. In California and Spain the water table is lowered continually by drilling and capitalist food production methods are a disaster for humanity..
It adds up to NATO war against Russia. Putin emerges as the Milosevic. He is continually lied against.
This is a major turning point. Any person on my Facebook Friends who does not take an ACTIVE position in defending Russia is going to be defriended by me rapidly. But it goes much further than this and we are not needing just words but the real creation of an alternative in leadership.
Meanwhile we will proceed to put together a real cadre of fighting Trotskyists. State your position now!
Jews must break decisively from the Bourgeois and Imperialist Jewish leaders on the issue of Ukraine.
The now notorious Ted Belman who heads Israpundit carried articles from the total US Imperialist Palin on Ukraine.
Then it must be remembered that Belman carries the work on his site of Fascists who call for the murder of communists and especially Trotskyists.
Jews must break decisively from this.
The position of Jews on Ukraine must be the same as the Irish or any other free nation.
1. The coup was organised against the truly elected Government
2. This coup was directed and planned by Washington and the EU with NATO waiting in the wings
3. The first step therefore that Belman does not do is to defend the integrity of Ukraine from this coup
4. The next step to take is to defend the right of Russia to defend itself from this coup in Ukraine because a NATO controlled Ukraine is a direct threat to Russia
5. No more than the Jews facing genocide in 1967 the Russian Government cannot wait, sit back and do nothing.
6. The Russian Government really has no alternative but to go in with its Red Army and take control of the whole of Ukraine, depose the Fascists and return the true and former government to power. Otherwise the world is the “Wild West” where anything goes.
7. The EU cannot solve a single one of the needs of ordinary people today. Mass poverty and unemployment in Portugal, Greece, Spain, Ireland. As Bat Yeor points out growing Islamisation of Europe. Border defences as in Melilla Spain broken down totally. Youth unemployment up to 80 per cent.
8. While we defend Putin he has no answers to this crisis. It is necessary to go back to the socialist revolution of Lenin and Trotsky. The workers, youth and students must take the power from the capitalists, and use science and wealth to create an answer. This means going back to the traditions of Leon Trotsky and affirm that Trotskyism is the answer. Join us. Do not hold back.
9. The defence of Israel becomes very important. Jews who feel under any threat in Ukraine must be enabled by the workers and youth of Ukraine to get to Israel immediately. The defence of Israel against “Palestinian” Fascism thus has to be part of their struggle too.