END THE PERSECUTION OF THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE (EDL) BY THE BRITISH FASCIST-BECOMING STATE

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT CALL GROUPS LIKE THE SWP “LEFT FASCISTS” BUT IT IS NECESSARY TO CALL THEM “FASCISTS”

 

THE ARREST OF TOMMY ROBINSON LEADER OF THE EDL, AND OVER 50 MEMBERS OF THE EDL IN AN “INTERNMENT” TYPE SWOOP BY THE BRITISH POLICE, SHOWS FASCISTS LIKE THE SWP WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THE B RITISH POLICE.

 

Patrick Hayes on “Spiked” has referred to “anti-fascists” preparing a police state. Hayes is right. Yes they are preparing a police state. But Hayes is also wrong. These are not “anti-fascists” and certainly not of the “left” but these are indeed fascists. Groups like the SWP are Fascists. Not to be called ever “Left Fascists”.

 

Hayes is right on t he following report:

 

The modern anti-fascist left has provided plenty of justification for increased state control over political to and fro in modern Britain. It has strengthened the use of public-order laws over political freedom, and it has empowered the state to govern all forms of political speech. That control extends not just to the statements and actions of ‘fascist’ groups, but also to the statements and actions of left-wing groups and anti-fascists, too.

So for the next 30 days, any group – regardless of its grievance – is banned from marching in Walthamstow and the rest of the borough of Waltham Forest and in the nearby boroughs of Tower Hamlets, Newham and Islington. This blanket ban is directly down to the campaigning efforts of left-wing anti-fascist protesters, who have spent the past month taking to the streets to get people to join local Labour MP Stella Creasy in signing a petition to ban the EDL from entering Walthamstow. The successful campaign for a ban was celebrated by Creasy who, ironically, claimed it meant ‘our community can get back to its normal, peaceful and tolerant state’.

http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13036/

 

hayes is absolutely correct to draw attention to this Labourite Creasy. This very much reminds me of the Stalinist Comintern which insisted that Hitlerism was not all that bad in the months leading to Hitler grabbing state power in 1933.

 

Sure there are differences. It is a different historical situation. But in both cases the moves of dictatorship by the capitalist state are not being opposed but are being sanctioned by people like Creasy.

 

I nearly said, out of habit, “people like Creasy on the Left”

 

But that is precisely what I am challenging on. These are not people of the “left” at all. These like Creasy are Fascists. Everything today is reversed.

 

Just yesterday we on 4international wrote about this very issue. We are challenging the term “left” fascists. These people like Creasy with their hatreds of Israel and their joining with the state forces against the EDL, are not of the left but are Fascists.

 

In our defence of Tommy Robinson we are challenging the concept that people like Creasy are of the left.

BRITAIN HEADS TOWARDS SHARIA LAW AS THE STATE ARREST SCORES OF EDL SUPPORTERS AND LEADERS…FASCIST “LEFT” IS SILENT

October 26, 2012

Darkness Descending in England

By Pamela Geller

 

The arrest of over 53 people in the United Kingdom is the beginning of the end for once-great Britain.  The leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, were among those arrested, as well as Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party (BFP). 
 
(4INTERNATIONAL SAY ABOUT THESE ARRESTS
 
It is amazing is it not that it takes a freedom loving woman who lives in New York, not Britain, to raise an opposition to these police arrests of Robinson and co. The situation in Britain is all about media frenzy over sex, but police planning dictatorship,
 
This more than anything shows that there is no opposition at all from the present “left” to the plans of British Capital to instal a dictatorship in Britain, in which Sharia will be a component part)
 
 
(PAMELA GELLER TELLS THE STORY OF BRITISH POLICE MOVES TO DICTATORSHIP)
 
I spoke with Kevin Carroll about his recent arrest and that of Robinson and Weston, and he told me the appalling details.

Carroll told me that British authorities tried everything in the book to stop him from running for police and crime commissioner (PCC) for the Bedfordshire Police Authority.  Nonetheless, he officially won the right to run for PCC last Friday.  But then, the very next day, British authorities carried out these mass arrests of EDL and BFP members, stripping them and forcing them to wear white paper overalls like those given to incarcerated terrorists.  They were allowed no phone calls.

Meanwhile, British police raided the homes of Carroll, Robinson, and three others who had been arrested.  “They absolutely ransacked mine,” Carroll told me.  “They smashed the door off and wrecked my home.  They took my only vehicle, with all the tools of my trade inside, and impounded it, as well as Tommy’s car.”  The police, the bomb squad, forensics teams, and sniffer dogs spent seven and a half hours stripping Carroll’s van to the bone.  “When they finished,” he said, “they found nothing!  They loaded it up with bugs and GPS monitors and threw everything in the back; it looks like it’s been in a blender.”

After smashing the door to Carroll’s home off its hinges, police officials repaired it, got a locksmith to put on a new lock, and left with the new keys, leaving Carroll locked out of his own home.  When Carroll was released, still wearing his white paper prison suit, it was dark and raining; true to form, police officials offered him no transportation, even though it was late at night on a Sunday.

Robinson is being held in Wandsworth prison, an old and antiquated structure with a large population of Muslim prisoners.  Weston was arrested and later released without charge for refusing to leave a reception area without information about Robinson.  And it is clear why officials would not want that information to get out: not only has Robinson been placed with the general prison population instead of segregated for his own protection, but prison officials have even put him in a cell with hostile Muslims.  He was allowed to call his wife Jenna, and he told her that he knew it was going to be “lively” in the cell.  That was an understatement: prison officials have deliberately put Robinson in physical danger and even imperiled his life.  Carroll contacted a high-ranking police official to request that Robinson be segregated, and she received a promise that he would be, but it hasn’t happened yet — and Robinson has even been denied bail.

“They are really coming at us with everything,” Carroll told me.  “I’m even on police bail at the moment for ‘conspiracy to cause a public nuisance.’”  This is a politically motivated and trumped up charge, but in Britain it can carry a life sentence.

According to Carroll, Robinson was incarcerated for leaving the United Kingdom and entering the United States fraudulently for our September 11, 2012 Stop Islamization of Nations free speech conference in New York City.  Robinson could get twelve to eighteen months in prison just for that.  “They are really turning up the heat here, Pamela,” said Carroll.  “They are going after all of us, especially Tommy and me.”  The EDL said in a statement: “Tommy has been dragged from one court to another — almost always without any serious chance of conviction — simply in order to help disrupt our activities and to prevent us from voicing our legitimate concerns about the spread of Islamic extremism.”

Carroll’s bail hearing is set for November 30, which gives him just two weeks after the November 15 elections to prepare his defense.  Anyone who can vote for Bedfordshire police authority commissioner and who loves freedom should vote for Kevin Carroll; it could be your last hope to preserve the freedom of speech and the principle of the equality of rights for all people in Britain.

Clearly the establishment elites in Britain are extremely worried that Carroll might win and upset the entrenched culture of accommodation to Islam and sharia; in fact, one of the briefs in Carroll’s case actually stated that this was why he was arrested — because he is running for PCC.  The dhimmi elites understand that this could be the beginning of their end.  “The police,” said Carroll, “are out to finish us on behalf of the establishment.”

This is a defining moment in British history, as significant as any major turning point.  It is in many respects like the Night of the Long Knives, which marked the point of no return from Nazism for Germany.  With these outrageous and politically motivated arrests, Britain has entered a dark and dangerous new era.  Said Weston: “The full power of the State appears to be concentrating on shutting down any political dissent.  This does not really feel like a democratic country anymore.”

Carroll is organizing a demonstration outside Wandsworth prison this coming Saturday morning.  All free citizens in Britain should be there.  And is there no one is the political establishment in the U.K. who has any decency, integrity, or spine?  No one who will stand up against these outrages?

Pamela Geller is the publisher of AtlasShrugs.com and the author of the WND Books title Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/darkness_descending_in_england.html#ixzz2Aab029NC

GELLER/SPENCER VERSUS GATES OF VIENNA…DO ANY OF THESE CALL FOR VICTORY TO GADHAFI OVER NATO, WHICH IS THE ISSUE?

 

In this conflict between Pamela Geller and Gates of Vienna, which both incorporate a huge swath of blogs etc., I am proud to say that I on behalf of Trotskyism am very definitely located nowhere, but I am evading nothing. As this analysis will show.

 

What is absent in short from this discussion is what is going on in the real world in which we live every day, and foremost at this point in time I would place the war of NATO against the Muammar Gadhafi regime in Libya

 

In this war by NATO on a small part of a country, that represented by Gadhafi, I with 4international line up on the side of Muammar Gadhafi. As I explained before I do not just call to defend Gadhafi, I call for the victory of Gadhafi and his forces against NATO.

 

FOR THE DEFEAT OF AMERICA AND THE EU

I want to see the US ruling class of Obama but also including many others in America defeated in this war. Ditto for those EU ruling governments, in particular the British, but also the Spanish where at present I reside.

 

Got that!

 

Victory to Gadhafi! Defeat for NATO!

 

Also although I would not chose his methods any methods which Gadhafi chooses to use in this war then I defend his use of those methods. I defend Gadhafi against the Fascist NATO in the same way that Leon Trotsky defended Haile Selassie in the 1930s. It is the exact same precedent.

 

THAT IS WHAT IS LEFT OUT OF THIS CONFLICT BETWEEN GELLER AND GATES OF VIENNA OVER THE EDL

 

 

THAT SAID LET US TURN AGAIN TO THIS ISSUE OF THE EDL

The discussion (over the issue of Pamela Geller and the English Defence League) is seriously skewed because while this goes on the Imperialist forces of NATO, especially the US and EU, are engaging in one of the worst imperialist wars ever, which is the campaign to replace the Gadhafi regime with one based on Qaradawi’s Muslim Brotherhood. It is not as if this is new! This is consistent on the part of NATO, from Bosnia, Kosovo, Tunisia, Ivory Coast, Egypt and of course Libya.

 

I do not know about G of V, but I do know about the position of Geller and Spencer, because I support their analysis of Islam which has been consistently very precise, and I believe that the campaign against Rauf was most important.

 

Both of these thus do great work in explaining and fighting against the evil ideology of Mohammedanism.

 

DANGER IS NOT ALONE FROM ISLAM…IT IS THE ALLIANCE WHICH NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED

But in our period of time the danger does not come alone from Islam. It comes from the alliance of capitalist governments and Islam.

 

This is precisely where I and 4international have continually separated from all of the above. They say it is the Jihad, I say it is the alliance of Imperialism and Jihad. The alliance, a real definite alliance, not people who are mistaken, or who are naive etc.

 

THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WHICH TELLS US THE FUTURE

The President of the US, Obama Husseini, has allied US along with the Muslim Brotherhood, not in a subtle underhand way but in an open and official manner. And US president Husseini has been leading and pushing the Arabs (on behalf og the Muslim Brotherhood) to create a Nazi, Judenfrei, Palestine Arab Jihadist state on the flank of Israel.

(See excellent article on this by Barry Rubin on Pajamas Media)

 

These are the issues, and the role of their own governments in all of this, that is absent from the Open letter to Pamela Geller by the Vienna people, as it is also on Atlas Shrugs. In the absence of this political context, and the role of the Governments of Europe and America in the Imperialist war on Muammar Gadhafi, the latter vital because it happens as we speak, in the present, with the reactionary British elite of Tory/Liberal/Labour playing a leading role along with France, shades of the NATO bombing of Serbia by the same forces, that this conflict between these two sides (now collecting signatures!) becomes meaningless and a politically sectarian affair. That is what must be changed.

 

Where Geller and Spencer go serious wrong is that they separate the reactionary Jihad and issue of supremacist Islam from the overall drive of the Imperialist powers to create dictatorship (of their own) in each country and an overall dictatorship in the shape of some kind of Soros inspired  and media led New World Order. They are in fact supporters of American Imperialism and of the capitalist worldwide system. But in every single situation, from Bosnia and Kosovo to the Ivory Coast, and now Libya, it is these capitalist governments who are in alliance with the reactionary and medieval forces of Islam

 

SETTING UP A JEWISH SECTION WAS AN EVASION OF RESPONSIBILITY…TO JEWS!

It seems to me from what I read so far that Geller and Spencer did not have any right, from the standpoint of parties and groups operating in a fraternal manner, to cut the ground from under the leadership of the EDL. What Geller and Spencer did was not to operate in a fraternal manner in any sense of the meaning of the word fraternal. They may argue that it was for the good of the movement in general. The mistake of setting up a “Jewish section” in the EDL has been compounded by Pamela Geller linking with that Jewish section (Moore) to the exclusion of the central leadership in the EDL around Robinson, Carroll and Price (those I know of)

 

Why was it a mistake to set up a Jewish section? The reason is now in hindsight rather obvious. To use a football metaphor the Jewish issue has been taken off the playing field and placed along the sideline, somewhere round the corner flag

 

The reason why this is so damaging to all concerned is contained in my first statement of yesterday in which I made a fraternal call to the EDL leadership to organise a serious education programme among the ranks, which will deal with the revolutionary origins of the English nation under the Cromwellian Revolution, but followed by the treachery of the Restoration, and the subsequent treachery with cruelty of the British ruling class on an international scale. And with the one exception of Balfour no other people has suffered more and paid a higher price from British treachery than the Jewish people. The British leader Churchill who has a reputation of being for the Jews was the very man who did much damage to Jews. He did this when he treacherously sliced off in an underhand and unilateral manner, the whole of “Transjordan” from the promised (San Remo Treaty of 1920) Homeland, and thus delivered a blow to the Jewish people from which they NEVER recovered. That action of Churchill, acting on British Imperialist interests, sliced off 80 per cent and gave it to the Arabs. And if such an 80% could be sliced off once why not again. The process set in of curtailing the Jews into a smaller and smaller area, a process which condemned the Jews to the Nazi Holocaust, finished off by the British ruling class as a whole via the iniquitous British Parliament’s White Paper of 1939.

That is my central point. The EDL leadship has to be based on that history. Thus they must as a whole fight against antisemitism in Britain in all its forms.

 

THE CRITICAL 1948 PERIOD

Churchill was of course playing as ever up to the Arabs and the Jews have suffered. Thus when the critical 1948 year came along Britain had long been siding with the Arabs against the Jews and in this case, in 1948, actually working with the German Nazis, and with Hajj Amin el Husseini, in the planned continued genocide of the Jews. For the Arabs and the British ruling class the Holocaust did not stop at all in 1945.

 

This has created the situation of today where Britain is allied with Hamas/Fatah (Note they did not prosecute Galloway!) and where President Husseini Obama is recognising along with Jew Hater Hilary the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

DEFENCE OF JEWS AND DEFENCE OF ZIONISM AT THE VERY CENTRE OF EDL

This history of the British towards the Jews is the imperative reason why the struggle for British emancipation which the EDL represents must place in that very central circle of the football field the defence of Israel and the Jews against the dominant ideology in Britain which is anti-Semitism.

 

Posing the issue in this way also shows why Pamela Geller was wrong on a whole number of fronts.

 

  1. There can be no pure movement in Britain free from anti-Semitism because the dominant culture in Britain is just that…anti-Semitism
  2. Rather than a Jewish section playing an imaginary game on the sideline the whole central leadership of the EDL, and other such parties, must place the defence of Jews and the defence of Israel, against British politicians of all stripes, against Hussein Obama, and against Ashton and others on the EU, at the very centre of its political struggle in Britain. We on 4international really do salute the valiant efforts of EDL leaders such as Carroll and Robinson who have already started out on this road. We offer, since this is not an individual speaking but the organization and website 4international, every possible support and assistance, offered from the standpoint of Trotskyist independence and of fraternity. It goes without saying that the Spencer and Geller formula “we have our eye on you” is extremely reactionary, is quite hostile actually, and is rooted in misconceptions of what national liberation movements actually are. Also, believe it or not, in how superior is America, while in point of fact in many ways the British workers are far in advance of the American workers. For example, it is possible that the EDL leaders may fail and will be submerged by the dominant antisemitic ideology in Britain. The important thing though is the fight against antisemitism.
  3. It therefore goes without saying that the present anti-Semitic “left” does not in any way represent socialism. We do. Join us. This antisemitic “left” has to be confronted and this is where we really separate from all!
  4. Point 3 above needs to be taken very seriously. One of the features of the present situation is that all of the groups on the left are in support in one way or another of Fascist Islam. It is like a repeat writ large of the Stalin alliance with the Nazis prewar. And people who are really serious about the future, and serious about the future of the working class, and since we are talking about the EDL here, about the British working class, must address this central question of socialist leadership. It is the absence of a Trotskyist Party, fighting against Islam, fighting against NATO, fighting against anti-Semitism and for the unconditional defence of Israel…that is the biggest factor of all. THAT should be the starting point in this discussion between Geller and gates of Vienna. As to the whole idea of signatures well that solves not a single thing.