You cannot prevent the truth from coming out and this article by Julia Gorin, essentially about Srebrenica, and its introduction by Pamela Geller, is part of the truth about this greatest hoax of our times, if not of all time, getting abroad.
Gorin is right, the fact that this important news source, “Russia Today” is questioning the evidence of Srebrenica is a major blow against the Oliver Kamms and the others who have labelled those of us, especially 4international, as “genocide deniers”
There are two facts which 4international has continually emphasised; perhaps I would add one other to the following two:
1. The very weighty “Dutch Report” clearly stated that they could find not ONE eye witness to say they SAW one murder by a Serb soldier when the Serbs entered the Srebrenica town
2. The only “evidence” was the “evidence” of the supergrass Drazen Erdemovic who claimed in The Hague Kangaroo Court that he and 7 others murdered 1200 Muslims in a farm. But the prosecutors only called Erdemovic and not the 7 others, one of whom was the commander of Erdemovic, to give evidence at their Hague kangaroo Court. Suspicious or what!
3. And the third point which really never should be left out is that journalists reported seeing Bin Laden being entertained at the court of the leader of the Muslims in Bosnia, Izetbegovic, in the early 1990s, as he was on his way to assembling the team who carried out the atrocity in New York, some years later. Many of these killers were trained in Bosnia linked to Iran.
(begin excerpt from 4international here)
According to the report, while Prentice was waiting in Izetbegovic’s foyer for an interview she, and a journalist from Germany’s Der Speigel, “saw Osama bin Laden being escorted into Izetbegovic’s office… needless to say this evidence did not sit well with the tribunal.”
Prentice was by no means the first to make the bin Laden-Bosnia connection. Izetbegovic’s plans for making Bosnia an Islamic state were long known, and the fact that there was a strong foreign mujahedin presence in Bosnia, would both indicate that her squelched testimony was highly relevant indeed.
However, as in all the other tribunals designed to bolster the Official Truth established by government interests – not least of all the 9/11 Commission – evidence such as hers is blotted out immediately or blocked in advance.
And vitally, the mass media has lost interest too, now that the “good news” has stopped flowing in like it used to, when the prosecution against Milosevic had the momentum. Since the former Yugoslav president has taken the offensive, however, Western media coverage has stopped altogether, expect for the occasional report fearing that his various illnesses might interfere with “justice” being done.
(from an article Eve Ann Prentice
These are the issues and it is on these key issues that the disinformation is concentrated.
For example, following the arrest of Ratko Mladic, who is actually nothing more than a Serb Christian patriot thrown against his will into a fight for survival against the Islamic Jihad which is in alliance with a western capitalist elite, the website in London called “Harry’s Place” ran several articles, with extensive comments, but not once was reference made to the key document in all of this, that is the book by Germinal Civikov, written in German but translated now into English, so there is no excuse, which clearly proves that there is no evidence provided except the “evidence” of this supergrass of the Balkans, Erdemovic
What happens is this and it happened time and time again in the North of Ireland:
- 1. Get somebody with a shady past
- 2. Offer him or her salvation (meaning keep out of prison)
- 3. Sugar the pill, a life elsewhere, money in the currency of new residency, job etc.
Having done that the supergrass becomes an empty vessel, and the evidential operation runs along these lines:
STEP NUMBER ONE…Special Branch pours “evidence” in one end
STEP NUMBER TWO…The supergrass appears for his day in court and the “evidence” emerges out the other end
We on 4international have said this all along. Now that the great freedom fighter Pamela Geller is taking up the issue things will change, a lot.
Expect sustained campaign of hatred directed at Geller. Now that Geller is on board it will be harder to “ignore” Gorin.
Also, in direct proportion to the success of the truth coming out, expect also the direct murder of Ratko Mladic, just as Slobodan Milosevic was also murdered in his Hague Prison, by poisoning. In other words Geller and Gorin are confronting an enemy which although bankrupt, is very dangerous.
A crack in the wall of disinformation and lies in the ongoing blood libel against the Christian Serbs. The lie must be protected at any and all costs. Cowardly clowns like Jeffrey Goldberg pile on to score points with the propagandists and smear merchants (of which he prides himself of being). This faux Jew calls me a “genocide denier.” These anti-intellectuals disregard concretes and claim that the widely disputed and inflated figure of some eight thousand (though many say it was hundreds) dead is a “genocide. ” Though little is made of the “genocide” of Christians that precipitated defensive action.
The murder of six million Jews is genocide.
The slaughter of millions of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians genocide of millions is “genocide.” But do not dare use that word. You can’t call the Islamic slaughter of millions “genocide” because …….. it will offend the ummah. As for Jeff the JINO, Jews must protect ourselves from these enemies (cowardly liars) masquerading as landsmen.
OK, so it’s “Russia Today” — and will therefore be blindly dismissed by most Americans — but I nonetheless have to take note of the fact that this is the first time, to my knowledge, that any news broadcast has had the audacity to report the paltriness of the evidence against an accused Serb upon his capture, rather than “tastefully” joining in on the anti-Serb wilding.
This means the information is finally getting out, including the fact that DNA CANNOT tell you the cause or manner of death. Here are the RT broadcasts, with the highlights appearing in print:
“Tribunal toys with body of evidence in Mladic case
REPORTER: …The Hague tribunal does have a lot of evidence regarding the massacre, but is all of it valid? […]
STEFAN KARGANOVIC (of the Srebrenica Historical Project): The forensic evidence certainly does not support the extravagant charges of 8,000 victims, and much of the evidence of legitimate combat deaths that occurred during that period is studiously ignored by the Hague tribunal and by the press because they have to do it if they are to bolster the number of casualties to come somewhat closer to the target figure of 8,000.
REPORTER: There are questions about the way the evidence has been interpreted. For instance with the autopsy reports. The ICTY presents 3,568 reports as corresponding to 3,568 bodies. But many researchers who went through the files say most of them are body parts, which means a lot less [sic: fewer] people.
ALEKSANDAR PAVIC (Balkans and ICTY observer): The Hague always has kind of done things as they go along. It’s been an improvisation. They’ve changed indictments on people. They’ve written indictments on people who have actually been already exported to the Hague. Meaning, first you get arrested and then you get an indictment. That’s the way the Hague works. So it won’t be a surprise if they adjust the indictment a few more times. They did it with Milosevic, they did it with others, they’ve done it with Seselj. So it’s just standard procedure with the Hague tribunal.
REPORTER: So the ICTY may well find itself in a tight spot again. More and more people are criticizing their lack of objectivity, and they have yet to complete a high-profile case…
REPORTER: …Despite the claims of 8,000 murdered men and boys, many of those who have studied those documents say that most of the reports actually concern body parts. They also say that there is no discernible way to determine which of those people died as a result of the Balkans war.
MARKO GASIC (Balkans expert): Those original figures of 8,000 came about from the Izetbegovic Islamist side. They were prepared in advance. Thousands of people were hidden, soldiers, and redrafted back into the Bosnian Islamist forces without their families even being informed. So there is certainly a great deal of exaggeration in this figure…This tribunal, you should remember, is not a court — it is a tribunal, with all the dubious ad-hoc quasi-legal procedures that that can involve. The Guantanamo Bay of Europe where people are held for years without trial, waiting for trial, when their verdict is known in advance. In fact, it’s even worse than the Guantanamo Bay of Europe, because at least there at Guantanamo Bay the judges know what the rules are. At the Hague tribunal, the kangaroo court, the rules are worked out as they go along, and always at the expense of the Serbs. […]
Note: I’ve never been too concerned with the Guantanamo Bay facility or how the “people” there are adjudicated; however, I appreciate Mr. Gasic being honest enough to at least make the distinction he does.
The other edit:
…GASIC (holding up a few documents): Here you have pictures of people’s graves who were on the list in the Srebrenica Missing, as it were, and they died in previous years. Or there are people here, again who died in previous years, who are on the Srebrenica list of missing-presumed-killed by the Serbs.
REPORTER: It’s impossible to talk about Srebrenica and not mention all the other atrocities that took place here. This is Srebrenica; just a few miles out is the village of Kravica where Bosnian-Muslim general Naser Oric literally wiped out the entire village. Throughout two years, Naser Oric tore through the region of Sreb destroying at least 150 villages and massacring over 3500 people, so the case against Mladic…does seem to be biased…The very prominent cases of course concerned mostly Serb generals….[Oric] was cleared by the Hague tribunal of all charges, so these fears of the Hague’s inability to be objective do seem to be substantiated.
The reporter also makes the key point that the Hague, for all the universally deferential citing of its rulings and “judgments” — as if they’re legally legitimate and adhere to a Western understanding of jurisprudence — is a political tool, not a legal one.
The only additional point I would make about the reporting is that she cites the “3,500″ figure in reference to the number of Serbs killed in and around Srebrenica. The opposing figure is closer to 1,500, and what accounts for the difference is something Stefan Karganovic — who goes with the smaller figure — explained to me. The higher figure includes the deaths at Bratunac in 1992, before the Srebrenica enclave was set up and therefore a separate chapter, as he sees it:
I was raised in the US and everything I do I try to be fair and honest about it, and not just push a tribal “truth.” Bratunac was under Serbian control throughout the war, although Moslem lines were just a short walk away. The only time Bratunac Serbs paid with their lives was in 1992 when Moslems, who had been arming themselves way before the conflict actually started, tried to stage an armed takeover there, as they did in a number of other communities, and failed. But that was before the Srebrenica enclave was set up and the carnage in the villages surrounding Srebrenica began. Our focus is on deaths that resulted from attacks originating from Srebrenica. I am trying to keep things separate on the Serbian side, just as I am insisting that Moslems keep their legitimate column casualties separate from execution victims. Balkan people are great at twisting everything to fit their agenda, but I was not brought up in the Balkans.
Meanwhile, I learned yesterday that even with all the pro-Muslim shenanigans at the Hague for the past 20 years, the Congress of North American Bosniaks, the Institute for Genocide Research Canada (IRGC), and the Australian Council of Bosnian Herzegovina Organizations (ACBHO) “request that the ICTY Court remove Judge Flügge from his role in the proceedings against Ratko Mladic, or in any case dealing specifically with charges of genocide. We are surprised that Judge Flügge would be once again assigned to a case dealing with charges of genocide due to his unapologetic comments in 2009 in the German weekly magazine “Der Spiegel” in which he openly questioned the classification of Srebrenica genocide.”
Now, if you read the Der Spiegel story, you’ll see that the judge holds all the typical, “correct,” pro-Muslim opinions about the Balkans wars. Not good enough! Why? Because he said it’s not any better to kill people because they all happen to be in a particular location than to kill them because of who they are — basically a statement against the legal classification “hate crime.” Which, if one thinks back a decade, had a lot of opponents who questioned whether the law should consider it worse to kill someone because you hate him than because the victim is, for example, elderly and an easy target to rob and kill.
But, again, the Muslims desperately need their genocide, and Flugge has the gall to deprive them of it. Not only did the judge commit the unforgivable sin, he added insult to injury by adding, “Strictly speaking, the term genocide only fits to the Holocaust.” Which, off the bat, negates the whole point of the whole exercise of the hard-won “genocide.” (Equal political footing with Jews, whom they see as deriving much of their sympathy and clout from the Holocaust.)
Never mind that he still grants them mass murder, a greater crime than what actually happened, and never mind that everything has been going their way for 20 years at the Hague — this guy’s gotta go!
Joining this judge in running afoul of Bosnian Muslims is an Ottawa Sun columnist named Michael Coren, against whom one of the above-named groups (IRGC) sent a letter of protest to the editors. Never mind that his Thursday column began with the following dutiful paragraph:
I don’t think any civilized and informed person either condemns or doubts the reason why Ratko Mladic was arrested by Serbian security forces, and handed over to an international war crimes trial in The Hague. He is alleged to have led a force that slaughtered 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys, and almost certainly did so.
It’s what the rest of his article showed he understood, that got to them:
Why are the Serbs the only ones targeted, [Mladic supporters] say, and why does the west, for example, not deal with the Islamic terror groups in Kosovo, and with Serbs being pushed from their homes in that troubled region?
They have a point. Washington and Europe have been enormously selective in their morality, and some of this is likely connected to the Americans and British in particular wanting to show the Islamic world that they care for the safety and plight of the world’s Muslims.
If so, they are incredibly naive.
Various Arab leaders may talk about the suffering of their fellow Muslims, but it is in fact their fellow Muslims who they themselves treat so badly on a regular basis.
The Serbian Orthodox nationalist Mladic may well have murdered 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia, but Hafez al-Assad, the father of the current Syrian leader, killed more Muslims than that in a single day when he wanted to demonstrate his authority and dissuade his people from revolution.
Boy Assad, the weak son, has probably gone past the 1,000 mark now, as he kills innocent people who even attend a funeral for a fallen protestor.
The Jordanian government is one of the more reasonable in the Islamic world, but in 1970 it killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, and the Arab nationalist icon General Nasser gassed entire villages in Yemen…The arrest of a Serb warlord is irrelevant to people who have no concern for their own, let alone for others.
If I were a Serb, I’d feel a little angry. As an unaligned commentator, I’m absolutely disgusted.
What Flugge and Coren seem to be almost alone in not having learned: Even minimal dissent will not be tolerated. Look around, guys — do you see any anywhere? That’s why even non-dissenting dissent like yours has kicked up a shit storm.
As for you specifically, Coren: No one has ever had the audacity to put themselves in the Serbs’ shoes, so don’t think of starting now. Speaking of which, why are you trying to do your own thinking on this? It’s been done for you, and so far everyone’s happy with it.
In closing, let’s notice that Coren has hit on yet another Israel-Serbia commonality: the fixation on Israeli/Serb behavior in the face of incomparably more numerous and heinous crimes by truly terrifying regimes, most notably those of Muslim governments against Muslims.
That Coren was able to notice in regard to Serbia what so far has only been noticed in regard to Israel is to his additional credit
The key Germinal Civilov book about Erdemovic is on
This book is brilliant. It details basically the making of a supergrass. The name of the supergrass who is so critical to the whole Srebrenica Massacre story and Case in the Hague is Drazen Erdemovic.
Without the “evidence” of this supergrass, as the weighty and respectable Dutch Report made clear, there is not one iota of evidence that the Serb soldiers on capturing Srebrenica murdered a single Muslim. They fought a battle yes, but carried out murders…no!
Mladic and all the other Serb prisoners in the Hague and elsewhere are innocent. They must be freed at once.
Meanwhile Nasir Oric and other Jihadists are walking about ikn freedom, with heads held high, protected by the international lie machine, the same lie machine that is threatening Mubarak with execution at the hands of The Muslim Brotherhood, and threatening thanks to Cameron et al the very life of Muammar Gadhafi, in the cruel bombing (by the great RAF) of Tripoli…IT IS ALL THE SAME BATTLE