INTO THE FRAY…URGENTLY IS NEEDED A NEW LEADERSHIP FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE FACING WORLD JIHAD

Europe attacks Israel as their Muslim population expands massively

Into the fray: The two-stage ‘solution’ …article by Jerusalem Post writer Martin Sherman with our commentary

This is an historic article by Martin Sherman because it follows and is an answer to the pivotal decision of the Swedish and British Governments to recognize a “Palestine” state. Sherman makes it clear in this article, quoting Palestinian Arabs themselves, that such a state is untenable and is only for the purpose of tearing down, likely through terror of one sort or another, the Jewish state. At the end of the article Sherman refers briefly to the fault of the Israeli State in not refuting these claims and moves towards a “Palestine” Arab state. It seems from this article that if they had decided to so refute then there was more than enough ammunition to convince the world that “Palestinianism” is Jihadism.

 

But they have not and are not doing so and that is the crunch issue in this Sherman article. Every article should lead on to a question “What to do next?”

 

In reading around the Swedish/Holocaust issue and in the article I wrote yesterday I left out a significant fact. As I stated the Swedish state and government as opposed to the Swedish people were up to their eye balls in collaborating with the Nazis. What struck me and what I left out of the article was the way that Shimon Peres has brown nosed these Swedish elites for so many years. Peres is old now but he has probably spent from say 1950 to 2010 doing this kind of fiendish activity. You see the Swedes were in on murdering 6 million of his people the Jews in the years of the Holocaust. Then Peres spent the next 60 years telling the Swedish Government “Forget about all of that. That is past. Let us be friends as if nothing has happened”

 

There is the strange whiff of treason here in the thought which must have been in the head of Peres “Really we understand your (Swedish) collaboration with the Nazis because anyway we the Jews had it coming”

 

This goes on right across the board. Why would any Jewish Israeli business do commercial business with a country like Britain that seeks to destroy Israel by means of the “Palestine” state? They are not stupid. They know that would be the result. How would they like a Jihadist state in Kent next door to London?

 

The second thing is how Jewish big wigs in America attacked without mercy the Serbs and supported the NATO bombing of the Serbs, as Clinton reached a deal with Izetbegovic (for sure and inhis own writing an extreme Jihadist) to carry out a massacre for false flag purposes. That was Srebrenica.

 

In all of that activity in Bosnia and Kosovo a man called Michael Ignatieff was central in mobilizing support for the Clinton war on the Serbs on the false thesis that the Serbs were carrying out a Holocaust on the Muslims. But it was Yugoslavia that was being invaded by Jihadists and the first beheadings that I saw in this modern era were done on young Serb small farming lads in the woods of Bosnia – supported and more (we can say actually instigated) by Clinton and a foretaste of the Islamic State.

 

I said “used” the Holocaust. Sadly there were Jews connected to the Holocaust Museum too ready to work with Ignatieff in this evil propaganda against the Serbs.

 

Ignatieff is an academic today but he certainly finds the time to set up Assad in the same way that he did to the Serbs. In January of this year he was splashing across the Media photos that  a “dissenter” had taken out of Syria. These photos were something along the lines of the Srebrenica Hoax propaganda of the Media.

 

The reason that I mention this today is that last night I heard it reported that Ignatieff had joined forces with an American Holocaust Museum and that this was on the wires yesterday. I have googled under “back news ignatieff holocaust assad” but can find nothing this morning.

 

This does not deflect from the truth which is that Ignatieff and others used widely the Holocaust against the Serbs, and used the Holocaust to carry out the NATO Clinton war against the Serbs. This has another lesson in relation to the Sherman article I mention above which is that the ruling classes in today’s world will stop at nothing to carry out their aims.

 

As regards the mention that Martin Sherman makes in his article on the British vote in Parliament to recognize a “Palestine” state I plan to write an article on this to complement the article I did yesterday on the Swedish recognition of “Palestine”. As I read around this one thing struck me and sticks so strongly in my mind. Just about a year after the Holocaust was ended by the defeat of the Allies (1945) the British Government was hanging Jews in Palestine! I prisons that the British had set up in Palestine to hang Jews ONE year after the Holocaust. Please do not tell us that this recent British Parliament vote is without context or meaning.

 

What to do? As always I come back to the governments of Israel and the present one is led by Netanyahu. The leader gives form to his government. We are now being backed up by many who then were silent. Netanyahu had to use the situation to totally destroy Hamas. That meant the arrest of the Hamas leadership. The thesis put about by Netanyahu and his people (literally cronies) that Hamas was needed to keep the Arabs fighting with each other was treasonous.

 

But Netanyahu still remains in power. That is the weakness of I may be so bold of the Martin Sherman article.

 

It centres all of the time on the question “What to DO next?”

 

I had experience of the site called Israpundit.org. Those people there would talk and talk and talk. Is that a feature of Jewish politics? If it is it is decidedly treasonous.

 

There must be found a way to create a new leadership and that is the issue I pose.

Feix Quigley writing from Spain, but native of Ireland

 

 

 

FOLLOWS THIS HISTORICAL ARTICLE BY MARTIN SHERMAN

 

Into the fray: The two-stage ‘solution’

 

The entire issue of Palestinian statehood, and the Palestinian narrative on which it is based, are nothing but a giant hoax so transparent it is inconceivable that anyone even feigns credence to it.

 

 

‘With the two-state solution… Israel will collapse, because if they get out of Jerusalem, what will become of all the talk about the Promised Land and the chosen people? What will become of all the sacrifices they made – just to be told to leave? They consider Jerusalem to have a spiritual status. The Jews consider Judea and Samaria to be their historic dream. If the Jews leave those places, the Zionist idea will begin to collapse…. Then we will move forward.”

 

 – Abbas Zaki, senior PLO official. (ANB TV, Lebanon, May 7, 2009)

 

Two recent events have once again propelled Palestinian statehood into the forefront of media spotlight, after several months of it being overshadowed by other events like developments in Ukraine, the war in Gaza and the televised barbarity of Islamic State.

 

One was the statement by Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven (subsequently somewhat equivocally revised) that his country would recognize a Palestinian state. The other was the British Parliament’s (nonbinding, but in the eyes of some, historic) vote on recognition of statehood for the Palestinians.

 

In light of these incidents, I was invited to appear on i24news news and participate in a discussion with a Palestinian interlocutor on the prospects for, and the prudence of, establishing a Palestinian state.

 

Much of what follows reflects the things I said during that 20-minute debate – and the things I didn’t, but would have, had time permitted.

 

 Patently incompatible

 

I began by asserting that it should be obvious to anyone with an iota of intellectual integrity that establishing a Palestinian state, in any conceivable configuration, is incompatible with the security and survival of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people.

 

It is incomprehensible for anyone who holds this view of Israel’s role in the world not to strive to have the issue of Palestinian statehood removed from the international discourse.

 

After all, the recent round of fighting in Gaza should have brought home dramatically the perils involved in a Palestinian entity with a short 50-km. border, abutting the sparsely populated, mainly rural South.

 

Thus, little imagination is required to grasp the horrific implications for Israel entailed in the establishment of yet another Palestinian entity in Judea-Samaria (a.k.a.

 

“West Bank”), but now with a 500-km. border, abutting the heavily populated urban center of the country – with Ben-Gurion, Israel’s only international airport, easily within mortar range.

 

Just what the significance of this latter element is should be vividly underscored by two disturbing features of the last clash in Gaza. First, Ben-Gurion was closed down by the landing of a single stray rocket in its approximate vicinity. Second, the Iron Dome defense system, highly effective against Kassam and Grad rockets, was markedly less so against mortar fire.

 

Disastrously disruptive

 

Little imagination is required to envision the disastrously disruptive consequences for Israel’s international air contacts were its only gateway subjected to incessant – even intermittent – short-range mortar barrages from nearby locations, far more accurate than any occasional rocket launched from the remote Gaza Strip.

 

Much the same could be said for the country’s land transport system – with the Trans-Israel Highway (Route 6) running for much of its length immediately adjacent to, and well within rifle range from, any prospective frontier.

 

Moreover, the impact of this chilling prospect is magnified by the fact that, unlike Gaza, much of the territory earmarked for a future Palestinian state comprises the limestone highlands which dominate Israel’s urbanized Coastal Plain. In it lie virtually all of Israel’s major airfields (civilian and military); main seaports and naval bases; vital infrastructure installations/systems (power generation and transmission, water, communications and transportation systems); centers of civilian government and military command; and 80 percent of the civilian population and commercial activity.

 

All of these could be disrupted at will, at minimal cost, by any hostile forces, whether regular or renegade, deployed on the western slopes of these highlands.

 

Clearly, recurrent disruption of their functioning – or even a tangible threat thereof – would make the maintenance of socioeconomic routine untenable.

 

‘Not since Dr. Goebbels…’

 

Amplifying the dire danger that a Palestinian state would pose for Israel is the undisguised intention of the Palestinians, of all political persuasions, to exploit such a state as a platform for further assaults on the Jewish state, until “Palestine,” from the River to the Sea, is totally free of the “Zionist invader.”

 

To convey the manifest mendacity of the Palestinian position, I drew on a quotation from an opinion column titled “Palestinian Lies” that appeared in Haaretz, towards the end of the near-hegemonic era of the Labor Party, then headed by Yitzhak Rabin: “Of all Palestinian lies there is no lie greater or more crushing than that which calls for the establishment of a separate Palestinian state in the West Bank… Not since the time of Dr. Goebbels has there been a case in which continual repetition of a lie has borne such great fruits…”

 

There was a tangible sense of surprise in the i24news studio when I revealed that these were not the words of some rightwing religious radical, but of Prof. Amnon Rubinstein, who was elected to the Knesset soon after penning the cited article, served for a decade as an MK for the far-left dovish Meretz party, and held the post of minister of education.

 

 One narrative; five myths

 

I took the firm position that Rubinstein’s assessment of the veracity of Palestinian claims is essentially accurate, and that the Palestinian narrative is nothing but a giant hoax, a gigantic political sleight-of-hand, comprising five transparent myths: Myth of Palestinian Peoplehood; Myth of Palestinian Nationhood; Myth of Palestinian Homeland; Myth of Palestinian Statelessness; and Myth of Palestinian Refugees.

 

I have discussed these myths in some detail in previous columns. All are easily refutable, indeed freely admitted, falsehoods, intended to blur the fact that the two-state prescription is a two-stage blueprint for the annihilation of Israel.

 

When my Palestinian interlocutor in the debate charged that my position merely reflected my own, uninformed prejudices, I replied that quite the opposite is true.

 

My contentions can all be conclusively corroborated by deeds, declarations and documents of the Palestinians.

 

I began by citing former Arab MK Azmi Bishara, described as a “Palestinian intellectual,” and forced to flee Israel to avoid investigation of alleged acts of treason during the 2006 Second Lebanon War.

 

One could hardly find a more resounding renunciation of Palestinian nationhood than that provided by Bishara when, in a 1994 Channel 2 program, he astounded his Israeli co-participants with the following assertion: “I don’t think there is a Palestinian nation at all. I think there is an Arab nation. I always thought so… I think it’s a colonialist invention – a Palestinian nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from?” Indeed, when? Indeed, where? A swift tour d’horizon of decades of what prominent Palestinians have done, said and written will convincingly confirm the flagrant falsehood of the Palestinian narrative and the sinister subterfuge on which their demand for statehood is founded.

 

Five myths (cont.)

 

For example, senior Palestinian leaders have admitted – openly, consistently and continually – that Palestinians are not, and never have been, a distinct people identifiably different from others in the Arab world (Myth of Peoplehood).

 

But not only do the Palestinians admit that they are not a discrete socio-ethnic entity – i.e. a people – they concede that as a political unit – i.e. a nation – their demands and aspirations are neither genuine nor permanent (Myth of Nationhood) and are merely a contrivance to undermine Jewish nationhood.

 

The Palestinians explicitly eschewed any sovereign claims to the “West Bank” (and Gaza), only incorporating them in their territorial claims after these territories came under Israeli control (Myth of Homeland), clearly vindicating the view that the concept of Palestinian “national identity” is a fabricated construct, conjured up to further the Arab quest to repudiate Jewish national claims.

 

Moreover, the Palestinians are “stateless” not as a result of callous Israeli malfeasance, but of deliberate Arab malevolence (Myth of Statelessness). It is the Arabs who either stripped them of citizenship they already had (as King Hussein did in 1988), or precluded them from acquiring citizenship they desire (as per the Arab League directive).

 

Finally, regarding the issue of refugees, it is becoming increasingly difficult to conceal the fact that the status of Palestinian “refugees” is totally different from that of all other refugees on the face of the globe (Myth of Refugees). Were the same criterion that applies to all other cases, applied to the Palestinians, the number of refugees would plunge dramatically – from around 5 million claimed today, to fewer than 50,000.

 

The malice behind the myths

 

Arguably the most dramatically revealing and comprehensive declaration as to the malicious mendacity that underlies Palestinian claims to statehood was provided by the late Zuheir Mohsin, a senior member of the PLO Executive, in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw.

 

It is a declaration frequently cited by opponents of Palestinian statehood, yet seldom repudiated by its proponents. I, too, have referred to several portions of it in the past, but in the present international context, I feel there is great value in presenting it in its entirety.

 

In the interview headlined: “We are only Palestinians for political reasons,” Moshin stated frankly: “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.

 

We are all part of ONE people, the Arab nation… We are ONE people. Only for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.

 

“A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on – for instance – Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem and Beersheba… The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world and elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we must not postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second,” Moshin said.

 

 Two stages, not two states

 

It is hard to conceive of a more brazen confession that the true goal of the twostate principle is the two-stage destruction of Israel.

 

It would be a perilous error to dismiss this as unrepresentative of mainstream Palestinian opinion today.

 

Nowhere is it more clearly articulated than in the Palestinian National Covenant, still posted on the official “State of Palestine” site hosted by the UN. It proclaims: “Article 19: The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time…

 

“Article 20: The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history…”

 

Article 12 lays out the temporary nature of Palestinian identity in the staged strategy for the “liberation” of “Palestine” defined as “an indivisible territorial unit, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate.”

 

It states: “The Palestinian people are a part of the Arab Nation… [and] believe in Arab unity… however, they must, at the present stage of their struggle, safeguard their Palestinian identity…”

 

The present stage? See what I mean by two stages? Stage one: Create Palestine.

 

Stage two: Eliminate Israel – precisely as per Abbas Zaki in the introductory excerpt.

 

 The real tragedy

 

All of this is – or at least, should be –painfully obvious. Yet, Israel has failed – even refused – to make this case to the world.

 

This is inexcusable, incomprehensible and unacceptable.

 

For as Ronald Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, correctly underscored in bemoaning the Swedish initiative, (Jerusalem Post, October 14), doing so is a “strategic imperative” for the nation.

 

It is one that Israel has failed dismally to address. That is, perhaps, the greatest tragedy of all.

 

Martin Sherman (www.martinsherman.net) is the founder and executive director of the Israel Institute for Strategic Studies (www.strategic- israel.org).

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Into-the-fray-The-two-stage-solution-379041

ROBERT SPENCER ON THE FASCIST VOTE IN BRITAIN FOR “PALESTINE”

UK Parliament votes 274-12 in favor of recognizing “the state of Palestine”

 

 

ROBERT SPENCER STATES ON THE FASCIST VOTE IN BRITAIN FOR “PALESTINE”

 

A “Palestinian” state would not make for a peaceful resolution of the jihad against Israel. It would simply become a new jihad base for newly virulent attacks against a weakened Israel. Do the British MPs know this? Probably not. Would they care if they did? Probably not.

 

How many times does this have to be done before the political elites get a clue? Or are they so thoroughly bought and paid for that that will never happen? The Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 was supposed to bring peace. Instead, I and just a few others warned that Gaza would just become a new jihad terror base. And we were right. So also, a “Palestinian” state would become yet another jihad terror base for attacks against a reduced, truncated Israel. The various “Palestinian” factions have never recognized Israel or retreated even one step from their repeated vows to destroy it utterly. Do these clowns even know what “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means?

 

As long as they’re voting for jihad, how long will it be before the UK Parliament goes whole hog, as it were, and votes 274-12 to adopt Sharia as the sole law of the land? It would “promote community cohesion,” eh wot?

 

SPENCER IN MY VIEW IS 100 PER CENT CORRECT IN THE ABOVE. PRINT IT OUT AND FRAME IT SO THAT YOU COME BACK TO READ IT!

 

“British Parliament votes in favor of Palestinian statehood recognition,” by Jerry Lewis, Reuters, October 13, 2014:

 

 

Britain’s House of Commons voted in favor of recognizing a Palestinian state late Monday in a move that will not alter the government’s stance on the issue, but that carries symbolic value for Palestinians in their pursuit of statehood.

 

Lawmakers in Britain’s lower house of parliament voted by 274 to 12 to pass a non-binding motion stating: “That this House believes that the Government should recognize the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel as a contribution to securing a negotiated two-state solution.”

 

Britain does not classify “Palestine” as a state, but says it could do so at any time if it believed it would help peace efforts between the Palestinians and Israel. Government ministers were told to abstain and the non-binding vote will not force Britain to recognise a Palestinian state.

 

Nearly 50 MPs were in the chamber to hear pro-Palestinian Labor Backbencher Grahame Morris open the four hour debate which he said was a chance for the UK to atone for its historic mistakes – a clear reference to the Balfour Declaration.

 

He and party colleagues knew in advance that with the unprecedented backing of the Labor party – as traditionally the political parties do not tell MPs which way to vote in what is supposed to be backbench business – his motion calling for the British Government to recognise a Palestinian State would be passed, probably by a substantial majority.

 

Several senior pro-Israel Labor party MPs including a number of members of the shadow cabinet – angered by the decision of party leader Ed Miliband and Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander to order Labor backbenchers to back the Morris motion by issuing a ‘three line whip’ – were understood to be ready to defy the instruction and abstain on the vote which was due at 10 p.m. UK time, midnight in Israel.

 

Former Labor Foreign Secretary Jack Straw successfully moved a manuscript amendment which stated that recognition of a state should be agreed as a ‘contribution’ towards a two state solution. He said if Israel had its way and recognition should be delayed until an agreement is reached between Israel and the Palestinians, that – in effect – would amount to giving Israel a veto over Palestinian statehood.

 

The Palestinians, he reminded the Commons had no say or veto over the establishment of the State of Israel.

 

A counter argument was put forward by another former Foreign Secretary the Conservative Party’s Malcolm Rifkind who told MPs that it was not possible to recognize a state which has no boundaries, no army, nor a government. The Palestinians he said, currently have two administrations and simply did not qualify for ‘recognition’.

 

Also he noted wryly, Britain did not recognize the State of Israel until 1950 when its borders and government and been well established….

THE DEEP ANTISEMITISM IN IRELAND WHICH IS CREATED BY SINN FEIN

Irish hatred for Israel betrays the Irish republican struggle

The Trotskyist movement in Ireland as represented by us on this site must be expanded rapidly in order to fight against the deep Antisemitism that is running through the Jihadist and Stalinist/Revisionist movements and indeed through the whole of capitalist society worldwide. But we refer here mainly to Ireland.

We are independent from all other political movements including Jewish movements but we do fight in soldiarity with the latter.

The purpose of this article is to point out two things

1. the great hubbub about the state of Israel taking under its wing about a square mile or a Little less of land

2. the initial promise by the League of Nations to the Jews in 1922 which was far bigger than present day Israel

The leading purveyor of Antisemitism is THE MEDIA and this Antisemitism was clearly on show and proved when it published the HAMAS figures for dead and injured during the recent Gaza War.

This was a deeply Antisemitic action to take  and will never be forgiven by us Trotskyists in Ireland who do two things: we defend Jews against Antisemitism and we always stand for truthful discourse

So this is what these scumbags on an Irish website have written on this land issue:

“ISRAEL HAS CLAIMED nearly 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank, in what is understood to be the biggest such seizure in decades.

Local authorities in the Gush Etzion area, south of Bethlehem, said the decision to establish new settlements there was a response to the killing of three Jewish teenagers there in June.

Their kidnapping and deaths sparked 50 days of violence between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza strip, which killed 2,138 Palestinians, and 68 Israelis, before an indefinite ceasefire last week.

A US State Department official has condemned the land seizure, telling Reuters it was “counterproductive to Israel’s stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians.”

“We urge the government of Israel to reverse the decision,” the official added.

Peace Now, a group which opposed Israeli settlements, said authorities planned to seize 990 acres near the existing settlement of Gevaot, west of Bethlehem.”

http://www.thejournal.ie/israel-land-seizure-west-bank-settlements-1648124-Sep2014/

TO UNDERSTAND FULLY THE LIE THAT ISRAEL GRABS LAND JUST LOOK AT THIS MAP

All of these Arab states in the map above have been gained by the Arab people. They started with a couple of states and they now have 22 very rich states. ALL SINCE 1922
THE MEDIA IGNORES THE TINYNESS AND VULNERABILITY OF ISRAEL
SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW ISRAEL HAS BECOME HATED
SOME THOUGHTS ON ANTISEMITISM
The growth of this Antisemitism is a product of maany things but in the world in general it is partly oil. The world of capitalism has been sucking up to rich oil essentially.
The Catholic Church in Ireland has always been basically secular since the times of Paul Cullen. With the decline of the Catholic Church in Ireland its place in rural Ireland has been taken over by the also secular Sinn Fein of today. Not such a big leap considering they are both essentially secular (the same type of secularism meaning separation of state and religión)
This is where the Antisemitism is coming from. It comes from Sinn Fein, this replacement of Catholic Church power. That replacement of Catholic Church by Sinn Fein today is complete

THE FOLLOWING MAP IS A GOOD ONE. THE SPLIT ALONG THE RIVER WAS MADE BY THE BRITISH. INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORY FURTHER PLEASE

EXTRACT STARTS HERE

“The Mandate system was instituted by the League of Nations in the early 20th century to administer non-self-governing territories. The mandatory power, appointed by an international body, was to consider the mandated territory a temporary trust and to see to the well-being and advancement of its population.

In July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine,” Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterwards, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

The British Mandate authorities granted the Jewish and Arab communities the right to run their internal affairs; thus the yishuv established the Elected Assembly and the National Council. The economy expanded, a Hebrew education network was organized and cultural life flourished.

The Mandatory government did not succeed in maintaining the letter and spirit of the Mandate. Under Arab pressure, it withdrew from its commitment, especially with respect to immigration and land acquisition. The White Papers of 1930 and 1939 restricted immigration and acquisition of land by Jews. Later, immigration was limited by the 1930 and 1939 White Papers, and land acquisition by Jews was severely restricted by the 1940 Land Transfer Regulations.

After the UN General Assembly adopted the resolution to partition Palestine on November 29, 1947, Britain announced the termination of its Mandate over Palestine, to take effect on May 15, 1948. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mandate3.HTML

NOW WE RETURN TO THE JOURNAL.IE

A RECENT ARTICLE DREW A WHOLE HEAP OF JIHADISTS

THIS EXTRACT IS FAIRLY LONG SO PLEASE JUST SKIM IT AND PERHAPS KEEP IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. YOU WILL SEE THESE PRESENT DAY IRISH ANTISEMITES AND JIHADISTS OF THE LEFT AT WORK

BEGIN EXTRACTS HERE (SAME AS URL ABOVE)

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William Ruane  Sep 1 7:46 AM #

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Obama and EU warns and threatens Putin, but ‘urges’ Israel to reconsider its decision….hmmmm

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 8:58 AM #

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the three teens were executed by israel in a filthy false flag operation.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:16 AM #

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Any evidence or do you routinely spread lies?

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Paul Courtney  Sep 1 9:20 AM #

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Enough. I was on the fence till now. Thought one side was as bad as the other but this land grab has decided me.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:31 AM #

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And what are the full details of the alleged ‘land grab”? Do you ACTUALLY know are are you prepared to simply accept whatever you are fed?

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Paul Courtney  Sep 1 9:51 AM #

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Murray, try searching for “Israel land seizure west bank”.

Today’s articles from independent. Co.UK. timrsofisrael.com haarezt.com. rte.ie Huffington post.com. Washington post.com nytimes.com to mention a few.

Do you think they all lying?

Even Israel’s own newspaper web sites?

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Emily Elephant  Sep 1 9:58 AM #

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The false flag stuff really doesn’t add up. If Israel kept doing this, upped its rate a bit and seized 1000 acres every 3 months, it would take 1400 years, 380,000 dead Israelis and 12 million dead Palestinians to settle the West Bank. While I credit the Israelis with a longer view than, say, Fine Gael, I doubt any plans which are that elaborate.

I don’t doubt that their ultimate goal is the annexation of the larger chunk of the West Bank.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:03 AM #

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Murray see the attached link, Israeli news sources reporting 988 acres taken from 5 Palestinian villages. “The move clears the way for construction of a new settlement named Gvaot” according to the news website below. And it doesn’t matter what their reason the detail behind the, they have taken land which isn’t theirs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.613319

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Mr Phil Officer  Sep 1 10:07 AM #

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Murray it would be counterproductive to annex the whole of the West Bank or Gaza, Israel needs to keep the “enemy at the gates” like all the super powers they need a live fire battle field to keep troops battle ready. Occupy, antagonise and then blame the natives through the media to keep their own populace and military wound up nice and tight with an appetite for war.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:33 AM #

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I can see lots of articles, some of which are maliciously labelled land grab, but no detailed, high resolution mapping that clearly defines exactly what is proposed, and where. Or who it will directly affect, or whether there are existing owners, or whether the land is under agriculture, or…

Israel operates under rule of law and from the little I could glean this morning, this decision has been overseen by the judiciary.

It’s all very well coming out in protest, but what are you actually protesting? Or is it simply that the media have called it a land grab and this has automatically set up a knee jerk reaction to all those who hate Israel?

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 10:40 AM #

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Israeli media are reporting it, both left and right wing Murray. This isn’t the states, people bother to check information. Fail

“Israel operates under rule of law ”

And that puts the rest of your hasbara in context. israel regularly wipes its ar$e with both international and humanitarian law.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:49 AM #

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Murray, What difference does it make what the land is used for, it is not Israel’s land. Have Israel taken the land? and please note its a Yes or No question.

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Mr Phil Officer  Sep 1 10:51 AM #

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Murray Israel violated international law and need to be held to account, the old testament is not the law and the argument that commentators are anti Israeli is an old one now. I don’t hate Israel and I think most Irish people understand and sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian people because of our own history in fact most people Irish or otherwise would be horrified to see a grown man beat and murder a child never mind a well trained and equipped military bombarding their houses and killing them in their beds, that’s not war its an extermination. No army should target civilians.

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Kp Gumbo  Sep 1 11:05 AM #

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Jesus but you are a moron !!!

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Ailbhe O’Nolan  Sep 1 11:08 AM #

8     52

Murrays got the blinkers on.

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FMan  Sep 1 11:15 AM #

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‘SeekingUniversalTruth. Making silly assertions about Israel murdering its own citizens does not advance the cause of peace and an agreed settlement in the area.

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De Wit  Sep 1 11:16 AM #

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Why are any of you arguing with murray? Under no circumstances will he ever admit the rogue state has done wrong, have a read of this

http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/you-happening-letter-israeli-friend/

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Michelle Rogers  Sep 1 11:17 AM #

8     37

We need to keep our own government on track too – here is our Department of Foreign Affairs statement on Gaza: https://www.dfa.ie/our-role-policies/our-work/casestudiesarchive/2014/july/situation-in-gaza-and-israel-irelands-position/

“Ireland wants to see a permanent and sustainable ceasefire, the lifting of the blockade on Gaza which is at the root cause of this devastating conflict and ultimately the establishment of a two-state solution which is based on the borders of 1967.”

If this really is our position, then we need to be clear that our craven relationship with the USA will not interfere with this position – letting USA war jets fly over Dublin is not a great way to do that.

I hope to hear our Government publicly denounce this latest land grab.

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Colm O’Brien  Sep 1 11:26 AM #

3     40

Murray,

The rule of law you refer to operates like this: the military go to court and say it’s vital for Israel’s security that we have that land to make this road or whatever and the court says ok.

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Sean O’Keeffe  Sep 1 11:42 AM #

2     41

There is a great difference between the rule of law (observed by democracies) and rule by law (common to tyrannical administrations).

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M Bowe  Sep 1 11:59 AM #

1     43

Olive oil is currently being harvested on this land by the Palestinian owners. As for the death of the 3 teenagers being cause of this illegal land grab, tenders for construction of 1000 Israeli homes was issued for this area last year.

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Paul Maguire  Sep 1 12:19 PM #

2     44

It is toltally wrong what Israel is doing no matter what spin you want put on it

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Ablitive  Sep 1 12:19 PM #

8     25

Definately a false flag operation and a pretext to ground invade Gaza (Which incidentally occurred simultaneously on the same day as MH17 hoax)

BTW………. Where are the feet?

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De Wit  Sep 1 12:24 PM #

2     10

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/watch-us-broadcaster-mike-malloy-wipes-the-floor-with-israel-apologists/

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RP McMurphy  Sep 1 12:43 PM #

0     35

The land belongs to five Palestinian villages of Jaba, Sur’if, Wadi Fuk’in, Husan and Nahal’in according to Haaretz.

The proposal is to ‘create territorial continuity between the Green Line and the settlements of Beitar Ill it, K’far Etzi’on and Gvaot’.

I think when you appropriate 1000 acres belonging to someone else, then the law should act to protect those who are disenfranchised no matter who your international friends are. And this is on top of 245 acres appropriated from Palestine last April!

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Paul  Sep 1 12:54 PM #

1     4

maybe they were blown to bits and poured from a wheelbarrow onto them stretchers

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Brian McCarthy  Sep 1 1:18 PM #

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You won’t hear any meaningful condemnation from our spineless government. Ireland is open for business but it’s not open to supporting the plight of the palestinians. Boycott Israel!!

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holden mcgroin  Sep 1 2:03 PM #

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“Israel operates under the rule of law” hahahahahahahahahaha.

Israel has broken more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi and North Korea put together. And as for a “civilized” nation that uses flechettes on women and children don’t get me started. You are a propagandist Murray. An Israeli propagandist.

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Zoe Daly  Sep 1 2:10 PM #

2     21

agree Brian,

Ireland is open for business with Israel alright. You won’t hear a peep from our government. Quiet as mice.

Millions apparently spent in arms export to Israel in past few years. Interesting considering the allegiances of our last Minister for Defence!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/state-approved-euro64m-in-israel-arms-exports-283664.html

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twooggy  Sep 1 2:23 PM #

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Murray’s an idiot!

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Ailbhe O’Nolan  Sep 1 3:10 PM #

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Murray wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face. The Israelis ciuld march into his house, boot him out and claim it as their own and he would still deny any wrong doing or that it even happened.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:06 PM #

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Paul, please check out this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:09 PM #

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John,

Haaretz is the Israeli newspaper that informs the Guardian and BBC – i.e., not my idea of balanced reporting. However, I was waiting to get more info and as you’ve had the courtesy to respond, can I direct you to this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:11 PM #

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Please see the link – it IS Israel land and the story you’ve been fed is intended to stir up trouble, where none exists.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 5:26 PM #

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@ murray. Your links to ‘prove’ that the land belongs to israel point to an israeli organisation headed up by netenyahus former foreign policy advisor.

Comical. Pathetic yet comical.

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Chris Mcdonnell  Sep 1 6:34 PM #

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So Michele prematch entertainment at croke park is letting the Americans walk all over us? Do us a favour and join IS I’ll drive you to the airport

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Sean O’Keeffe  Sep 1 6:59 PM #

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“I think the timing is idiotic.”

There’s never really a good time to engage in land theft and the provocation of a subjugated people into rebellion against their oppressor.

” The British Government believes that Israeli settlements on occupied territory are illegal. So does every other government in the world, except for Israel.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7708244.stm

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Oran Burns  Sep 1 7:00 PM #

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They don’t target civilians.

If they did then they are not very good at it!

Hamas operate from heavily densely populated civilian areas and put their own people in the firing line.

But you won’t hear that on sky news.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 7:21 PM #

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Murray, I find it interesting that you can have such faith in an article on that has no author attached to it, when other blogs on the site have authors attached. That’s usually a sign of a lack of faith in the author in what they are writing.

You complain about a lack of balanced reporting from Haaretz, yet one of the Experts at the JCPA

Nadav Shragai wrote for that paper for 27 years.

Six out of the ten of the Experts are ex IDF( most of them with high Ranks).

The rest have had roles high up in the Government.

Its looking like all the Experts are Jewish.

Now how can they possibly provide a balanced response.

In fact, its an IDF led propaganda tool. Look back at the blogs not one mention of the fact that Israel bombed UN schools. The blogs show only one side of the story. So I ask how can you think they provide a balanced view

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 7:24 PM #

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Oran, it does not matter if they do or do not target civilians, the fact is they hit them, and that should be the issue not that whether or not they target them.

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Oran Burns  Sep 1 10:13 PM #

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John it does matter. It matters a huge deal as intent to do harm is a serious crime!

When an army is drawn into urban guerrilla warfare in a heavily densely populated area where the attackers hide amongst civilians in schools, mosques, UN shelters and homes….tragic and awful things happen.

I should add that every loss of Palestinian or Israeli innocent life is a tragedy.

But Hamas are the ones picking a fight and they see loss of life in a holy war as an act of service to God.

So they put women and children in the firing line.

It’s a dirty war tactic which needs to be exposed for what it is.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:43 PM #

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So knowing that Hamas put women and children in the line of fire the IDF still choose to fire on them. Yes its a dirty tactic, but even when the IDF were warned they were firing to close to UN shelters they kept firing. Both Hamas and IDF are guilty of using dirty tactics. Bear in mind that Israelis were so concerned that they took months to notice that one of their bomb shelters inside the zone being attacked by Hamas was turned into a Casino…

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 11:40 PM #

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John, I don’t have a problem with its authorship because the information simply makes sense to me. There were 3 areas agreed at Oslo – the one being discussed happens to be in Area C.

With regard to the UN schools, presumably you have read why UN schools were targeted, when they were targeted. You’ve presumably seen footage from Italian, French and Indian news teams that show missiles being launched from civilian areas, in one instance immediately adjacent to a UN facility.

I entirely share your horror at the deaths and injuries and the homelessness that has resulted from this conflict. Having lived and worked in Israel over many years, Israelis do not live their lives hoping to destroy Palestinians or make their lives harder. At one time, before the 2nd intifada, there was so much interaction between Israelis and Palestinians. They worked together, shopped in each others businesses, constructed homes together and shared lives. After the 2nd intifada that stopped completely, except in places like Haifa which has a big mixed Jewish and Muslim/Christian Arab population.

Unless you live there and experience the intensity of life, both good and bad, you cannot begin to understand what drives the narrative in Israel and the Palestinian territories. The Palestinians have so much to gain if they could only try to see past 45 years of hostile programming. It might be possible with Fatah and the PA. It won’t happen with Hamas – they are ideologically unable to negotiate with Israel, so I really don’t know the way forward.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 11:56 PM #

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I have spoken to guys who went into Gaza for Cast Lead. They said it was like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. The IDF may not fire on civilians so when they come across a Hamas operative firing at them from behind a child or woman, they have to back away. I know this is not the narrative you’ve been told, but its true, nevertheless. I don’t doubt there are some rogue soldiers as in any army who will take the law into their own hands, but if they do and they are found out, Israeli military prisons are not good places to be.

WRT those Israelis who sat on a hill, watching the glow from explosions and cheering, when you have spent the past 12 years frequently having to dive into bomb shelters to avoid rockets and now mortar shells, the people across the border are viewed as very much the enemy and those people on the hill are glad to see that enemy getting a pasting. Its a normal human reaction, but does not mean that when some of the enemy come across the border in desperate need of medical attention, they don’t get that attention in Israeli hospitals.

Last November I shared a Tel Aviv hospital room with 2 other guys, one of whom was a Gazan (and his wife), who was getting medical aid for his terminal cancer. He had the same care and attention and food as we did. Hope you can acknowledge that.

Seems to me that a great deal of the hatred some Irish people feel for Israel stems from their identification with the Palestinians as suffering as did the Irish under the British. While there are some common causes, the two stories are really not the same. In fact, early Israelis had good reason to bitterly hate the English, but thats another story.

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Dummy Crusher  Sep 3 12:15 AM #

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Paid Hasbara Puppet!

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Peter Slattery  Sep 1 7:33 AM #

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And so wee see the true goal of the Israeli government and the Z word. Nothing they do is in the interest of security and the safety of their citizens. They just crave land.

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Niall H  Sep 1 7:49 AM #

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It’s like watching ‘the field’ only they’ve bigger beards and in this case the yank does the murdering.

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:00 AM #

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Drum roll

Ladies and the Gentlemen

The analogy of the year goes to………….Niaaalllllllll H

*rapturous applause…………..standing ovation……………..

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:15 AM #

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i just read that again niall…….clsss lmfao

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:21 AM #

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At its centre, Israel is 9 miles wide, from the sea to the West Bank. If Israel just,’craved land’, they would have annexed the entire West Bank by now, not withdrawn from Gaza, or returned the Sinai to Egypt.

Security for its citizens is very much at the forefront of every governments’ mind. Israel is no different.

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:31 AM #

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security is such a quaint term for murder

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Peter Slattery  Sep 1 9:56 AM #

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Keep shilling, Murray.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:34 AM #

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So are security guards by your definition, murderers?

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D H  Sep 1 11:01 AM #

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Murray israel not only crave the land but they also dont want to end up a pariah. They have long figured that slow and steady is how to achieve this without ending up like sourh africa. And the international community idly by watching and seemingly supporting the ethnic cleansing of palestine to make way for the jewish israel

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 11:18 AM #

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@ murray: “So are security guards by your definition, murderers?”

They are if they’re conscripted to the IDF and then shell UN shelters where innocent women and children are hiding in fear of their lives, as we just witnessed multiple times.

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De Wit  Sep 1 11:35 AM #

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People that deliberately kill innocent people are murderers, it doesn’t matter what their job is or how many lies they tell about not meaning to do it.

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Zoe Daly  Sep 1 11:44 AM #

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Its not just about land. Its about water supplies as well. Israel is claiming all the best land that contains water supplies, streams or wells. They are leaving the arid desert to the Palestinians.

Obama is afraid of the powerful Jewish lobby, because they control America. They run the film, media, entertainment and communications industries. They make or break who so ever they chose, and they have a significant voice in who becomes US President.

But Israel has gone too far this time. It is a rogue state that is out of control, in complete defiance of international law. The US, & the rest of the international community, will have to find the courage to make a stand.

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fergal barry  Sep 1 7:45 AM #

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Isn’t land grabbing something the Nazis did and we are still hearing how terrible it was for the Jew ish. . And the Holocaust. How come Israel thinks it’s ok for them to now do it.. A very short memory. Sickening.

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Glen  Sep 1 7:50 AM #

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Today’s political zi0nists have nothing in common with those who died in hitlers camps but more with hitler himself.

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SeanieRyan  Sep 1 8:53 AM #

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Look at what they did to the Black Jews from Ethiopa, they gave them contraceptives via injection and told them they were Hep shots etc.

What is that but straight from Germany of the 30′s. They have become what they most hate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:40 AM #

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When the Nazis grabbed land, we are talking about world domination. From the west coast of France to almost Moscow in the east, the arctic circle to the Sahara in the south.

Israel is 9 miles wide at its centre, from the sea to the West Bank. It’s returned Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to the Gazans.

But you still feel able to compare the two? And 330 geniuses think you are right? Thankfully I know many Irish people who have a deeper understanding than you and your online friends.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 9:47 AM #

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Now that is just sick… The fact that they don’t even try to justify it says an awful lot..

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Miguel O’Reilly  Sep 1 9:55 AM #

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you really have no idea Murray do you? mass murder, land grab, propaganda machine spouting nonsense. where have we seen this all before eh?

only difference this time is the US are arming them to carry out these atrocities

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DN  Sep 1 9:59 AM #

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@murray. Before this Irish state was born we have seen murder and land grab from occupying forces. Dont tell us Irish that we dont understand. We know damn well what its like to live under an oppressive regeme. Spout your propoganda elswhere, shill.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:37 AM #

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So no actual reply to my post – just more name calling? Well I guess that just shows how lacking in answers you are.

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