DID BOSTON BOMBERS SLIT THE THROATS OF 3 YOUNG JEWISH MEN A SHORT TIME BEFORE?

Boston: Muslim Marathon Bomber knew of brother’s role in 9/11 triple Jewish murders outside Boston

 

(Why myself and 4intenational.me are covering this report by Pamela Geller on the horrific murder of three Young Jewish men in Boston in what we believe prefigured the planned massacre in Boston)

 

HOW THINGS STAND ON THE LEFT TODAY:

 

 

The left is now well and truly divided into two main camps. On the one hand there are the non Marxists and real haters of Trotskyism. On the other hand there is www.4international.me  and no one else!

 

The division is total. It has its roots deep inside of left history. The capitalist ideologues who are stupid and ignorant people know nothing of this divide.

 

But it is fundamental. It is a totally fundamental divide.

 

Leon Trotsky listened to and used the expertise of the Czarist Generals and Experts when the young workers state of Russia was forced to fight the Russian Civil War on many fronts. There was a major split inside the Bolsheviks on this but Trotsky who was in charge of the Red Army persuaded Lenin to back him.

 

It is the same today although in vastly different conditions. Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Bill Warner are real experts on Islamic Jihad. It does not imply political agreement but we on www.4international.me seek to utilise this expertise (please note those three are not the only ones). The reader will appreciate that, granted conditions have changed, it is the same thing. The analogy works very well.

 

The BBC and their associates who in Spain on the radio station “Talk Radio Europe” are Steven Ritson and Pippa Jones have never to my knowledge ever once breathed the name on air of Pamela Geller or any of these experts on Islam.

 

Ritson and Jones are not unusual in this. In fact that is the norm. I really have never heard the BBC say the name Pamela Geller and I do listen to a lot of the BBC World Service.

 

I insist that is the real split on the left right there. This split will grow and more people will know about it as www.4international.me grows and gains more resources.

 

In essence it is a philosophical issue. Pamela is pro-capitalism and we are socialist revolutionaries but that does not mean that we reject the expertise that Pamela has gained in struggle about Islam Jihad. We do not reject knowledge. We are not dogmatists. In fact we welcome greatly this amazing knowledge.

 

You can see why we print her article on this most serious issue, think about it, discuss it:

 

On September 11, 2011, devout Muslims who would go on to bomb the Boston Marathon slit the throats of three Jewish young men in Boston.

In what was one of the most gruesome killings in Greater Boston in many years, three Jewish young men were found with their throats slit inside a Waltham apartment on the tenth anniversary of September 11th. In the wake of the jihad bombings last April, I had posted that one of the victims was the Boston jihad bomber’s “only American friend.”
 

Had President Obama not scrubbed counter-terror material of jihadic doctrine and Islamic teachings, law enforcement would have recognized this Jewish slaughter on 9/11 for what it was — Islamic jihad. But it was not understood or investigated as such, leaving these savage jihadists to pursue their Boston Marathon jihad and the bombing of Bostons women and children on April 15, 2013.

jewish victims of Boston MuslimsPhoto: Murder victims of Islamic Jew-hatred: Raphael Teken (right with friend) was one of three people along with Erik Weissman

Had Obama not scrubbed counter-terror materials of all mention of jihad, perhaps Boston law enforcement would have pursued this triple slaying properly. Instead, the case was cold until after the jihad murderers set off coordinated bombings at the Boston Marathon and evidence tied them to the slaughter. If Boston law enforcement had been educated in jihad, and had intel agencies followed up on the warnings on the Muslim terrorist Tsarnaevs, the Boston bombing could have been averted.

 

Screen Shot 2014-04-15 at 7.41.43 PMIslamic Jew-hatred — it’s in the Qur’an.

The city of Boston who refused to run our pro-Israel ads — saying it might offend Muslims while running vicious anti-Jewish ads. And this is happening after the Boston Marathon bombings.

“Boston bombing suspect Tsarnaev allegedly knew of brother’s role in 2011 murders,” by Holly Bailey, Yahoo News, October 11, 2014 (thanks to Kenneth)

Federal prosecutors have identified a witness prepared to testify that Boston Marathon bombings suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev knew his older brother and alleged accomplice, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, participated in 2011 triple murder outside Boston.

The disclosure was made by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s defense team in a federal court filing late Friday, as part of a larger push by his attorneys to gain access to “discovery” evidence compiled by the federal government in its case against Tsarnaev for the April 2013 bombings which killed three and injured several hundred near the marathon’s finish line.

The Sept. 11, 2011, murders–which occurred in Waltham, Mass., a suburb of Boston–remain officially unsolved. But the murders, which were initially written off by local police as a drug deal gone bad, have become a plot point in the Boston bombings case amid evidence that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was involved. This is the first time there’s been a suggestion that his younger brother might have been aware of his alleged participation in the murders—which some have said, if solved, might have prevented the marathon attacks.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed during a confrontation with police three days after the bombings when his brother ran over him with a car, was close friends with one of the Waltham victims: Brendan Mess, 25, a martial arts instructor who police say also dealt drugs on the side. But Tsarnaev was never questioned in the case, even though friends reportedly told police they were suspicious when he didn’t show up for Mess’s memorial service.

In May 2013, Ibragim Todashev, a boxer who was also friends with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was shot and killed by an FBI agent who was interviewing him about the case. According to a filing by federal prosecutors last fall, Todashev had implicated himself and Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the murders before he was killed.

As recently as this spring, the investigation into the Waltham slayings appeared to be ongoing. In April, a federal grand jury looking into the murders subpoenaed Katherine Russell, Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s widow, for items that belonged to Mess. But her attorney, Amato DeLuca, said she didn’t have anything.

The Waltham case has been the subject of a back and forth between federal prosecutors and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s defense team, who have repeatedly pressed the government for months to share their evidence and information about the murders. Prosecutors have pushed back, insisting the Waltham case isn’t relevant because Tamerlan Tsarnaev is not on trial.

But Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s attorneys, who appear to be crafting a defense based around casting the older brother as a bullying mastermind of the Boston operation, renewed their push for evidence on Friday arguing the government had previously said the case was “might be relevant if Dzhokhar were aware of it.” They then pointed to a letter they received from prosecutors on Aug. 15, 2014, saying the government had a witness prepared to testify that “Dzhokhar had such an awareness.”

The developments come just days before both sides are scheduled to release their initial list of witnesses in the bombings trial, which is scheduled to take begin in January. Both sides are due in a Boston courtroom on Oct. 20 for status hearing in the case. Prosecutors have asked that Tsarnaev, who has not been seen in court since July 2013 when he was formally charged in the attacks, make an appearance, but it’s unclear if he will.

Tsarnaev has pleaded not guilty in the bombings. If convicted, he faces the death penalty.

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- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2014/10/boston-muslim-marathon-bomber-knew-of-brothers-role-in-911-triple-jewish-murders-outside-boston.html/#sthash.L7ishIN1.dpuf

THE SOFT JIHAD IN BRITAIN…IT WAS THEY WHO REALLY MURDERED ALAN HENNING

This is the third and our final article onte murder of Alan Henning in Syria

I consider this to be something of a turning point and this murder has changed forever the consciousness of the British people especially working class towards Islam. This cannot be fully conscious as yet but things can never ever be the same again.

Of course Alan Henning was murdered by very violent Jihadists.

But although that is undeniably the case, the real murder, or can we say “murdering” of Henning took place because of non violent Jihadists.

That is those who promote Jihad in Britain, who defend Jihad in Britain, but would never be seen touching the throat slitting knife. I consider them to eb the biggst danger and in the murder of Henning the real culprits.

The charities who ran the convoy were already being investigateded and as we said one at least by the Charities Commission. They were shady!

But Henning had a very naive atitude towards Islam. He did not know. He did not understand.

I consider the responsibility for this to be  not Alan but the purveyors of information in Britain.

I start with the ruling class who banned the real experts on Islam from Britain. Theresa May banned Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller both of whom have studied and written many books on Islam.

And there is a bewildering number of agencies who work to stop us understanding the nature of Islam.

I call this the soft Jihad. Those who preach the Jihad of Islam and work to promote that, but preach peace.

I place the BBC at the very top of this list.

Was Alan Henning lured from Britain on that convoy…purpose beheading?

We can not prove that. But in any case he was on that convoy because of the soft Jihad in Britain.

Alan had no way of spotting the danger.

Alan was not equipped to do that. But we on 4international are, and we will.

THE BANNING OF PAMELA GELLER AND ROBERT SPENCER FROM BRITAIN IS THE MOVE TOWARDS POLICE DICTATORSHIP

Pamela Geller along with fellow campaigner Robert Spencer were banned by Theresa May from Britain. They were banned because they are opposed to Muslim Violence. This is the road to pólice dictatorship where the British state uses Muslim violence to attack our basic democratic rights.

Today the Stalinists and the Fascist Leftists have got things so wrong again. The “Leftists who are not Marxists” have been at the forefront of the British and French bourgeois states in encouraging Muslim immigration.

The result of this immigration of Muslims is to create very dangerous situations for the native populations and including the working class.

The Muslims coming in to countries like France, Britain and America had no intention of integration. It is written down in the Koran and in the Hadiths based on the Koran that the aim of Muslims was/is to conquer the world for Islam.

That is the basis for the non-integration. The Koran and Hadiths are political documents even though religious structures are built upon these political documents. The simple peasant type of person will create their own simple religious philosophy in so far as they are able even within those horrific confines.

Karl Marx was more clear minded on this than these Leftists. Marx said about Islam that islam divided the whole world between believers of Islam and non-believers.

In other words this harsh and cruel división led straight into the Fascism of our modern epoch.

The Leftists who are not Marxists support and supported the British and French capitalist states in introducing Muslim immigration into those countries. Then they yell racist against anybody who points out the real nature of Islam.

WHY THE BANNING OF GELLER AND SPENCER WAS SO DANGEROUS

As Trotskyists we will return to this banning time and time again. There is also the arrest of Paul Weston for quoting Winston Churchill on Islam. And the whole campaigns of vilification against the EDL. These are important events.

Their banning points the way that the British and French states move towards military/police dictatorships inthose countries. (The Spanish case is similar and different at the same time. The Spanish never actually broke from Francoism)

There is a real danger of police/military dictatorship in all European countries and America is following an identical path in many respects.

Dictatorship comes this time from the deliberate encouragement of immigration especially of Muslim immigration, allied to the promotion by the state machine in all of these European countries plus America of Muslim violence on a wide scale.

There is also the strong factor of Antisemitism which is encouraged by these Muslims, and by the actions of what we will call those “Leftists who are not marxists or Trotskyists”

This Muslim violence allows the state in the form of deep and committed capitalist representatives like Theresa May to make huge inroads on basic democratic rights under cover of fighting what they call “extremism”.

The road to dictatorship is thus marked by the banning of Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

Muslim violemce…the Jihad! And on the very streets of Britain where the British soldier was beheaded.

Robert and Pamela were banned as they prepared to speak in Britain ont he issue of the beheading of the British soldier.

Did and does Pamela Geller support beheading, or does she support violence of any kind? Absolutely and totally not! The opposite. She highlights and opposes such Muslim violence.

In that regard Pamela is acting on the basis of the warning against Islam given by Karl Marx all those years ago. The banning of Geller and of Spencer are the steps of the British state towards dictatorship. The British state used the Muslim beheading of the British soldier to ban Geller and Spencer from entering Britain.

BRITAIN AND SCOTLAND DESCEND INTO THE PITS OF HELL (ANTISEMITIC HELL)

 

JNS.org – As the world awaits a decision on Scottish independence in a referendum this week, Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond gave an interview in which he compared the terrorism of the Islamic State with the actions of the state of Israel.

 

Salmond was speaking to the BBC about the beheading of British aid worker David Haines by the Islamic State when he stated that “the Muslim community of Scotland isn’t responsible in any shape or form for atrocities or extremism in Iraq or elsewhere.”

 

“I mean, just like a few weeks ago, the Jewish community of Scotland wasn’t responsible for the policies of the State of Israel,” he said.

 

That is the reality of Scottish Nationalism today.

Yes we do as Trotskyists support the Independence of Scotland from Britain but not this Antisemitic Hell Hole created by Salmond

 

We are in a new situation in the world.

 

It was not an accident that George Bush Junior allied himself totally with the centre of the Jihad (Iran) when he saw it as his mission to attack and destroy the great enemy of the Jihad (Iran) who was Saddam Hussein.

 

NOBODY HAS EXPLAINED

Nobody has ever explained was why Bush was so besotted with removing Saddam. Of course the cover is that he wished for parliamentary democracy everywhere. But that is just a cover. He was inexperienced like Obama, but not entirely stupid. He must have known of the enmity between the Baathists and the Mullahs. It is a mystery.

 

It was this that removed the floodgates to the Islamic Jihad and the awful sufferings of minorities (including women) at the hands of Islam

 

Britain is now at the point of breaking up whether Salmond wins today or not.

 

BRITAIN AND SCOTLAND BOTH AT CENTRE OF JIHAD

But … Britain has been at the centre of the advancement of the Jihad. It has joined Jihadists in destroying Yugoslavia and waged wars on Mubarak, Gadhafi, Ben Ali, Gaghbo (who is also in the Hague with many Serbs), Assad.

 

Britain is also up to its old warfare against Russia. One thing is certain it is no longer united. The Windsors especially this latest monarch did not even have the guts to fight for her “United Kingdom”. What a spineless creature!

 

In all of these wars the Scottish nationalists have been behind the British Governments on the side of the Jihad. This is the new factor that needs to be included.

 

Salmond (above)deliberately placed ISIS in the same category as Israel in his speech to a group called “The Islamic League”. There is a horrible you tube video of this horrific little toady speaking to these soft Jihadists in Scotland.

 

In this Salmond is not one bit different to any of the European leaders and to the US Establishment as a whole also, with a few Congress representatives exceptions

 

So we have the old story and more of the same. Salmond and his Scottish nationalists promise to crack down on “Antisemitism” but he is clearly in word (above) and practice supporting Hamas and Fatah as the “Resistance”

 

Salmond and the Scottish nationalists are out of this same Israel hating milieu as George Galloway.

 

Thus if you are a Jew living in Scotland today you are not facing a history of Scots assisting Jews, but a present where Israel is continually attacked, placing Jews in Scotland in more and more danger of physical attack (Pogrom)

 

And the future under capitalism is Jihad and more Jihad, and where a truncated England becomes Sharia,  a miserable Scotland becomes Sharia, and Ireland becomes Sharia.

 

That is not the future a Trotskyist would fight for

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ANNIVERSARY OF 9-11 ROLLS IN AGAIN AND THEY ARE STILL SCRUBBING FOR ISLAM

America tuned in to hear how Obama planned to defeat the Islamic army conquering whole swaths of the Middle East. Instead Obama took to the prime time airwaves to proselytize for Islam.

Obama in his speech to America performed a scrubbing and cleaning up job for Islam

Obama is the true Mohammedan. He claimed:

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim.

Thus today on the anniversary of 9-11 there is still this ideology in the world that tries to paint Islam as being a religión of peace.

ISIl according tot he present President of the US so many years and so many experiences after that fateful claim by Bush is nothing to do with Islam

This is the key concept that we on 4international want to concéntrate on. Of course ISIL has EVERYTHING  to do with Islam

As the main scholars of Islm today are pointing out continually every beheading, every burying of humans alive, every single barbarity, is being inspired by the Korana nd the Hadiths

They quote continually

Last night as I thought on the anniversary of 9-11 I wrote this, some of it takes up the issues of leadership:

Another year rolls by and another anniversary of the Muslim attack on the Twin Towers in New York

 

The reason that the left did not oppose this atrocity is because of the influence of Stalinism and revisionism which itself did not centre on 9-11 but happened a long time before. The left had betrayed the method and principles of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

 

When Leon Trotsky was murdered by the Stalinist assassin Ramon Mercader, recruited out of the Spanish Civil War bloodbath, it was not only Trotsky but a whole cadre leadership which had been wiped out by the Stalinists and the Fascists, with the ID OFof the capitalist imperialist countries like Britain and US

 

Thus Trotskyism was left without leadership. There was thus no continuity. The person who became known as Tony Cliff was never a Trotskyist, nor was Isaac Deutscher the biographer of Trotsky.

 

There was a vacuum in 1945. Into that vacuum were sucked in a new layer of leadership into left wing political life.

 

A big turning point which had great influence was the defeat by the Jews of Israel not only over the armies of the Arabs but by those armies now supported totally by the Stalinists of Moscow in 1967. This was the qualitative year.

 

The important book Phantom Nation had spelled out in detail how the phenomenon known as the “Palestinians” came into being in 1967, not before. It gained this huge traction in 1967 because from then on it was sold as a commodity

 

Who did the selling?

 

  1. The Stalinists as I mentioned above
  2. The Arabs
  3. The Arabs of the area of Palestine who had a history centred on Hajj Amin el Husseini whose Jew Hatred was contiguous to that of the Nazis
  4. The British
  5. The US Establishment who remember had had a history of eugenics and racist Antisemitism

All of that is clear. But there is one other force often overlooked and that is the Jewish leadership of Israel

 

What did they do well in fact they both did nothing and did a lot.

 

This is a fact. The leadership of Israel while fighting in a patriotic and brave manner in 1948 was a middle class and a petty bourgeois leadership

 

This leadership did one thing which was fatal. It did not fight this new concept of “Palestine” but adapted to it. They adapted to the nascent Antisemitism

 

Before the Palestinians were the Jews. The most patriotic Jews saw themselves as Jewish Palestinians

 

The Arabs did not like the term. They continually called themselves “Arabs” and sometimes “Arabs of Southern Syria”.

 

The middle class Jewish leaders drowned themselves in a mythology divorced from the reality of the present. They could have contested the Arabs ove the “Palestine” name. A lot was at stake. It was really their first and massive betrayal.

 

These were not Marxists or Trotskyists. They were Jihadists on the left.

 

When 9-11 happened of course they could not attack Muslims or Islam

 

The first expression of this was the conspiracy industry. The Left Jihadist Fascists resurrected conspiracy in order to cement their alliance with Islam Fascism

 

The point is not whether US Imperialism were not in bed with the Jihadists. They were in one way or another. For example their multiculturalism was allowing the Jihadists to flourish in Bosnia, Berlin or London

 

But the Jihadist and anti-Marxist left had become a vehicle for the Jihad.

 

That was why this massive conspiracy industry suddenly sprang up. They were not seeking truth so much as providing a cover for Islam and so that has remained to this day.

 

And still centres on the “Palestinian” basura.

 

THE DEEP ANTISEMITISM IN IRELAND WHICH IS CREATED BY SINN FEIN

Irish hatred for Israel betrays the Irish republican struggle

The Trotskyist movement in Ireland as represented by us on this site must be expanded rapidly in order to fight against the deep Antisemitism that is running through the Jihadist and Stalinist/Revisionist movements and indeed through the whole of capitalist society worldwide. But we refer here mainly to Ireland.

We are independent from all other political movements including Jewish movements but we do fight in soldiarity with the latter.

The purpose of this article is to point out two things

1. the great hubbub about the state of Israel taking under its wing about a square mile or a Little less of land

2. the initial promise by the League of Nations to the Jews in 1922 which was far bigger than present day Israel

The leading purveyor of Antisemitism is THE MEDIA and this Antisemitism was clearly on show and proved when it published the HAMAS figures for dead and injured during the recent Gaza War.

This was a deeply Antisemitic action to take  and will never be forgiven by us Trotskyists in Ireland who do two things: we defend Jews against Antisemitism and we always stand for truthful discourse

So this is what these scumbags on an Irish website have written on this land issue:

“ISRAEL HAS CLAIMED nearly 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank, in what is understood to be the biggest such seizure in decades.

Local authorities in the Gush Etzion area, south of Bethlehem, said the decision to establish new settlements there was a response to the killing of three Jewish teenagers there in June.

Their kidnapping and deaths sparked 50 days of violence between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza strip, which killed 2,138 Palestinians, and 68 Israelis, before an indefinite ceasefire last week.

A US State Department official has condemned the land seizure, telling Reuters it was “counterproductive to Israel’s stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians.”

“We urge the government of Israel to reverse the decision,” the official added.

Peace Now, a group which opposed Israeli settlements, said authorities planned to seize 990 acres near the existing settlement of Gevaot, west of Bethlehem.”

http://www.thejournal.ie/israel-land-seizure-west-bank-settlements-1648124-Sep2014/

TO UNDERSTAND FULLY THE LIE THAT ISRAEL GRABS LAND JUST LOOK AT THIS MAP

All of these Arab states in the map above have been gained by the Arab people. They started with a couple of states and they now have 22 very rich states. ALL SINCE 1922
THE MEDIA IGNORES THE TINYNESS AND VULNERABILITY OF ISRAEL
SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW ISRAEL HAS BECOME HATED
SOME THOUGHTS ON ANTISEMITISM
The growth of this Antisemitism is a product of maany things but in the world in general it is partly oil. The world of capitalism has been sucking up to rich oil essentially.
The Catholic Church in Ireland has always been basically secular since the times of Paul Cullen. With the decline of the Catholic Church in Ireland its place in rural Ireland has been taken over by the also secular Sinn Fein of today. Not such a big leap considering they are both essentially secular (the same type of secularism meaning separation of state and religión)
This is where the Antisemitism is coming from. It comes from Sinn Fein, this replacement of Catholic Church power. That replacement of Catholic Church by Sinn Fein today is complete

THE FOLLOWING MAP IS A GOOD ONE. THE SPLIT ALONG THE RIVER WAS MADE BY THE BRITISH. INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORY FURTHER PLEASE

EXTRACT STARTS HERE

“The Mandate system was instituted by the League of Nations in the early 20th century to administer non-self-governing territories. The mandatory power, appointed by an international body, was to consider the mandated territory a temporary trust and to see to the well-being and advancement of its population.

In July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine,” Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterwards, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

The British Mandate authorities granted the Jewish and Arab communities the right to run their internal affairs; thus the yishuv established the Elected Assembly and the National Council. The economy expanded, a Hebrew education network was organized and cultural life flourished.

The Mandatory government did not succeed in maintaining the letter and spirit of the Mandate. Under Arab pressure, it withdrew from its commitment, especially with respect to immigration and land acquisition. The White Papers of 1930 and 1939 restricted immigration and acquisition of land by Jews. Later, immigration was limited by the 1930 and 1939 White Papers, and land acquisition by Jews was severely restricted by the 1940 Land Transfer Regulations.

After the UN General Assembly adopted the resolution to partition Palestine on November 29, 1947, Britain announced the termination of its Mandate over Palestine, to take effect on May 15, 1948. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mandate3.HTML

NOW WE RETURN TO THE JOURNAL.IE

A RECENT ARTICLE DREW A WHOLE HEAP OF JIHADISTS

THIS EXTRACT IS FAIRLY LONG SO PLEASE JUST SKIM IT AND PERHAPS KEEP IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. YOU WILL SEE THESE PRESENT DAY IRISH ANTISEMITES AND JIHADISTS OF THE LEFT AT WORK

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William Ruane  Sep 1 7:46 AM #

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Obama and EU warns and threatens Putin, but ‘urges’ Israel to reconsider its decision….hmmmm

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 8:58 AM #

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the three teens were executed by israel in a filthy false flag operation.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:16 AM #

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Any evidence or do you routinely spread lies?

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Paul Courtney  Sep 1 9:20 AM #

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Enough. I was on the fence till now. Thought one side was as bad as the other but this land grab has decided me.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:31 AM #

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And what are the full details of the alleged ‘land grab”? Do you ACTUALLY know are are you prepared to simply accept whatever you are fed?

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Paul Courtney  Sep 1 9:51 AM #

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Murray, try searching for “Israel land seizure west bank”.

Today’s articles from independent. Co.UK. timrsofisrael.com haarezt.com. rte.ie Huffington post.com. Washington post.com nytimes.com to mention a few.

Do you think they all lying?

Even Israel’s own newspaper web sites?

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Emily Elephant  Sep 1 9:58 AM #

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The false flag stuff really doesn’t add up. If Israel kept doing this, upped its rate a bit and seized 1000 acres every 3 months, it would take 1400 years, 380,000 dead Israelis and 12 million dead Palestinians to settle the West Bank. While I credit the Israelis with a longer view than, say, Fine Gael, I doubt any plans which are that elaborate.

I don’t doubt that their ultimate goal is the annexation of the larger chunk of the West Bank.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:03 AM #

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Murray see the attached link, Israeli news sources reporting 988 acres taken from 5 Palestinian villages. “The move clears the way for construction of a new settlement named Gvaot” according to the news website below. And it doesn’t matter what their reason the detail behind the, they have taken land which isn’t theirs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.613319

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Mr Phil Officer  Sep 1 10:07 AM #

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Murray it would be counterproductive to annex the whole of the West Bank or Gaza, Israel needs to keep the “enemy at the gates” like all the super powers they need a live fire battle field to keep troops battle ready. Occupy, antagonise and then blame the natives through the media to keep their own populace and military wound up nice and tight with an appetite for war.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:33 AM #

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I can see lots of articles, some of which are maliciously labelled land grab, but no detailed, high resolution mapping that clearly defines exactly what is proposed, and where. Or who it will directly affect, or whether there are existing owners, or whether the land is under agriculture, or…

Israel operates under rule of law and from the little I could glean this morning, this decision has been overseen by the judiciary.

It’s all very well coming out in protest, but what are you actually protesting? Or is it simply that the media have called it a land grab and this has automatically set up a knee jerk reaction to all those who hate Israel?

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 10:40 AM #

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Israeli media are reporting it, both left and right wing Murray. This isn’t the states, people bother to check information. Fail

“Israel operates under rule of law ”

And that puts the rest of your hasbara in context. israel regularly wipes its ar$e with both international and humanitarian law.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:49 AM #

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Murray, What difference does it make what the land is used for, it is not Israel’s land. Have Israel taken the land? and please note its a Yes or No question.

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Mr Phil Officer  Sep 1 10:51 AM #

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Murray Israel violated international law and need to be held to account, the old testament is not the law and the argument that commentators are anti Israeli is an old one now. I don’t hate Israel and I think most Irish people understand and sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian people because of our own history in fact most people Irish or otherwise would be horrified to see a grown man beat and murder a child never mind a well trained and equipped military bombarding their houses and killing them in their beds, that’s not war its an extermination. No army should target civilians.

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Kp Gumbo  Sep 1 11:05 AM #

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Jesus but you are a moron !!!

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Ailbhe O’Nolan  Sep 1 11:08 AM #

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Murrays got the blinkers on.

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FMan  Sep 1 11:15 AM #

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‘SeekingUniversalTruth. Making silly assertions about Israel murdering its own citizens does not advance the cause of peace and an agreed settlement in the area.

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De Wit  Sep 1 11:16 AM #

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Why are any of you arguing with murray? Under no circumstances will he ever admit the rogue state has done wrong, have a read of this

http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/you-happening-letter-israeli-friend/

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Michelle Rogers  Sep 1 11:17 AM #

8     37

We need to keep our own government on track too – here is our Department of Foreign Affairs statement on Gaza: https://www.dfa.ie/our-role-policies/our-work/casestudiesarchive/2014/july/situation-in-gaza-and-israel-irelands-position/

“Ireland wants to see a permanent and sustainable ceasefire, the lifting of the blockade on Gaza which is at the root cause of this devastating conflict and ultimately the establishment of a two-state solution which is based on the borders of 1967.”

If this really is our position, then we need to be clear that our craven relationship with the USA will not interfere with this position – letting USA war jets fly over Dublin is not a great way to do that.

I hope to hear our Government publicly denounce this latest land grab.

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Colm O’Brien  Sep 1 11:26 AM #

3     40

Murray,

The rule of law you refer to operates like this: the military go to court and say it’s vital for Israel’s security that we have that land to make this road or whatever and the court says ok.

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Sean O’Keeffe  Sep 1 11:42 AM #

2     41

There is a great difference between the rule of law (observed by democracies) and rule by law (common to tyrannical administrations).

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M Bowe  Sep 1 11:59 AM #

1     43

Olive oil is currently being harvested on this land by the Palestinian owners. As for the death of the 3 teenagers being cause of this illegal land grab, tenders for construction of 1000 Israeli homes was issued for this area last year.

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Paul Maguire  Sep 1 12:19 PM #

2     44

It is toltally wrong what Israel is doing no matter what spin you want put on it

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Ablitive  Sep 1 12:19 PM #

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Definately a false flag operation and a pretext to ground invade Gaza (Which incidentally occurred simultaneously on the same day as MH17 hoax)

BTW………. Where are the feet?

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De Wit  Sep 1 12:24 PM #

2     10

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/watch-us-broadcaster-mike-malloy-wipes-the-floor-with-israel-apologists/

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RP McMurphy  Sep 1 12:43 PM #

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The land belongs to five Palestinian villages of Jaba, Sur’if, Wadi Fuk’in, Husan and Nahal’in according to Haaretz.

The proposal is to ‘create territorial continuity between the Green Line and the settlements of Beitar Ill it, K’far Etzi’on and Gvaot’.

I think when you appropriate 1000 acres belonging to someone else, then the law should act to protect those who are disenfranchised no matter who your international friends are. And this is on top of 245 acres appropriated from Palestine last April!

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Paul  Sep 1 12:54 PM #

1     4

maybe they were blown to bits and poured from a wheelbarrow onto them stretchers

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Brian McCarthy  Sep 1 1:18 PM #

2     22

You won’t hear any meaningful condemnation from our spineless government. Ireland is open for business but it’s not open to supporting the plight of the palestinians. Boycott Israel!!

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holden mcgroin  Sep 1 2:03 PM #

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“Israel operates under the rule of law” hahahahahahahahahaha.

Israel has broken more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi and North Korea put together. And as for a “civilized” nation that uses flechettes on women and children don’t get me started. You are a propagandist Murray. An Israeli propagandist.

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Zoe Daly  Sep 1 2:10 PM #

2     21

agree Brian,

Ireland is open for business with Israel alright. You won’t hear a peep from our government. Quiet as mice.

Millions apparently spent in arms export to Israel in past few years. Interesting considering the allegiances of our last Minister for Defence!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/state-approved-euro64m-in-israel-arms-exports-283664.html

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twooggy  Sep 1 2:23 PM #

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Murray’s an idiot!

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Ailbhe O’Nolan  Sep 1 3:10 PM #

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Murray wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face. The Israelis ciuld march into his house, boot him out and claim it as their own and he would still deny any wrong doing or that it even happened.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:06 PM #

18     0

Paul, please check out this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:09 PM #

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John,

Haaretz is the Israeli newspaper that informs the Guardian and BBC – i.e., not my idea of balanced reporting. However, I was waiting to get more info and as you’ve had the courtesy to respond, can I direct you to this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:11 PM #

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Please see the link – it IS Israel land and the story you’ve been fed is intended to stir up trouble, where none exists.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 5:26 PM #

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@ murray. Your links to ‘prove’ that the land belongs to israel point to an israeli organisation headed up by netenyahus former foreign policy advisor.

Comical. Pathetic yet comical.

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Chris Mcdonnell  Sep 1 6:34 PM #

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So Michele prematch entertainment at croke park is letting the Americans walk all over us? Do us a favour and join IS I’ll drive you to the airport

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Sean O’Keeffe  Sep 1 6:59 PM #

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“I think the timing is idiotic.”

There’s never really a good time to engage in land theft and the provocation of a subjugated people into rebellion against their oppressor.

” The British Government believes that Israeli settlements on occupied territory are illegal. So does every other government in the world, except for Israel.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7708244.stm

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Oran Burns  Sep 1 7:00 PM #

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They don’t target civilians.

If they did then they are not very good at it!

Hamas operate from heavily densely populated civilian areas and put their own people in the firing line.

But you won’t hear that on sky news.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 7:21 PM #

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Murray, I find it interesting that you can have such faith in an article on that has no author attached to it, when other blogs on the site have authors attached. That’s usually a sign of a lack of faith in the author in what they are writing.

You complain about a lack of balanced reporting from Haaretz, yet one of the Experts at the JCPA

Nadav Shragai wrote for that paper for 27 years.

Six out of the ten of the Experts are ex IDF( most of them with high Ranks).

The rest have had roles high up in the Government.

Its looking like all the Experts are Jewish.

Now how can they possibly provide a balanced response.

In fact, its an IDF led propaganda tool. Look back at the blogs not one mention of the fact that Israel bombed UN schools. The blogs show only one side of the story. So I ask how can you think they provide a balanced view

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 7:24 PM #

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Oran, it does not matter if they do or do not target civilians, the fact is they hit them, and that should be the issue not that whether or not they target them.

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Oran Burns  Sep 1 10:13 PM #

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John it does matter. It matters a huge deal as intent to do harm is a serious crime!

When an army is drawn into urban guerrilla warfare in a heavily densely populated area where the attackers hide amongst civilians in schools, mosques, UN shelters and homes….tragic and awful things happen.

I should add that every loss of Palestinian or Israeli innocent life is a tragedy.

But Hamas are the ones picking a fight and they see loss of life in a holy war as an act of service to God.

So they put women and children in the firing line.

It’s a dirty war tactic which needs to be exposed for what it is.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:43 PM #

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So knowing that Hamas put women and children in the line of fire the IDF still choose to fire on them. Yes its a dirty tactic, but even when the IDF were warned they were firing to close to UN shelters they kept firing. Both Hamas and IDF are guilty of using dirty tactics. Bear in mind that Israelis were so concerned that they took months to notice that one of their bomb shelters inside the zone being attacked by Hamas was turned into a Casino…

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 11:40 PM #

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John, I don’t have a problem with its authorship because the information simply makes sense to me. There were 3 areas agreed at Oslo – the one being discussed happens to be in Area C.

With regard to the UN schools, presumably you have read why UN schools were targeted, when they were targeted. You’ve presumably seen footage from Italian, French and Indian news teams that show missiles being launched from civilian areas, in one instance immediately adjacent to a UN facility.

I entirely share your horror at the deaths and injuries and the homelessness that has resulted from this conflict. Having lived and worked in Israel over many years, Israelis do not live their lives hoping to destroy Palestinians or make their lives harder. At one time, before the 2nd intifada, there was so much interaction between Israelis and Palestinians. They worked together, shopped in each others businesses, constructed homes together and shared lives. After the 2nd intifada that stopped completely, except in places like Haifa which has a big mixed Jewish and Muslim/Christian Arab population.

Unless you live there and experience the intensity of life, both good and bad, you cannot begin to understand what drives the narrative in Israel and the Palestinian territories. The Palestinians have so much to gain if they could only try to see past 45 years of hostile programming. It might be possible with Fatah and the PA. It won’t happen with Hamas – they are ideologically unable to negotiate with Israel, so I really don’t know the way forward.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 11:56 PM #

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I have spoken to guys who went into Gaza for Cast Lead. They said it was like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. The IDF may not fire on civilians so when they come across a Hamas operative firing at them from behind a child or woman, they have to back away. I know this is not the narrative you’ve been told, but its true, nevertheless. I don’t doubt there are some rogue soldiers as in any army who will take the law into their own hands, but if they do and they are found out, Israeli military prisons are not good places to be.

WRT those Israelis who sat on a hill, watching the glow from explosions and cheering, when you have spent the past 12 years frequently having to dive into bomb shelters to avoid rockets and now mortar shells, the people across the border are viewed as very much the enemy and those people on the hill are glad to see that enemy getting a pasting. Its a normal human reaction, but does not mean that when some of the enemy come across the border in desperate need of medical attention, they don’t get that attention in Israeli hospitals.

Last November I shared a Tel Aviv hospital room with 2 other guys, one of whom was a Gazan (and his wife), who was getting medical aid for his terminal cancer. He had the same care and attention and food as we did. Hope you can acknowledge that.

Seems to me that a great deal of the hatred some Irish people feel for Israel stems from their identification with the Palestinians as suffering as did the Irish under the British. While there are some common causes, the two stories are really not the same. In fact, early Israelis had good reason to bitterly hate the English, but thats another story.

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Dummy Crusher  Sep 3 12:15 AM #

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Paid Hasbara Puppet!

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Peter Slattery  Sep 1 7:33 AM #

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And so wee see the true goal of the Israeli government and the Z word. Nothing they do is in the interest of security and the safety of their citizens. They just crave land.

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Niall H  Sep 1 7:49 AM #

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It’s like watching ‘the field’ only they’ve bigger beards and in this case the yank does the murdering.

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:00 AM #

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Drum roll

Ladies and the Gentlemen

The analogy of the year goes to………….Niaaalllllllll H

*rapturous applause…………..standing ovation……………..

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:15 AM #

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i just read that again niall…….clsss lmfao

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:21 AM #

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At its centre, Israel is 9 miles wide, from the sea to the West Bank. If Israel just,’craved land’, they would have annexed the entire West Bank by now, not withdrawn from Gaza, or returned the Sinai to Egypt.

Security for its citizens is very much at the forefront of every governments’ mind. Israel is no different.

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:31 AM #

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security is such a quaint term for murder

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Peter Slattery  Sep 1 9:56 AM #

6     87

Keep shilling, Murray.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:34 AM #

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So are security guards by your definition, murderers?

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D H  Sep 1 11:01 AM #

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Murray israel not only crave the land but they also dont want to end up a pariah. They have long figured that slow and steady is how to achieve this without ending up like sourh africa. And the international community idly by watching and seemingly supporting the ethnic cleansing of palestine to make way for the jewish israel

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 11:18 AM #

6     62

@ murray: “So are security guards by your definition, murderers?”

They are if they’re conscripted to the IDF and then shell UN shelters where innocent women and children are hiding in fear of their lives, as we just witnessed multiple times.

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De Wit  Sep 1 11:35 AM #

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People that deliberately kill innocent people are murderers, it doesn’t matter what their job is or how many lies they tell about not meaning to do it.

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Zoe Daly  Sep 1 11:44 AM #

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Its not just about land. Its about water supplies as well. Israel is claiming all the best land that contains water supplies, streams or wells. They are leaving the arid desert to the Palestinians.

Obama is afraid of the powerful Jewish lobby, because they control America. They run the film, media, entertainment and communications industries. They make or break who so ever they chose, and they have a significant voice in who becomes US President.

But Israel has gone too far this time. It is a rogue state that is out of control, in complete defiance of international law. The US, & the rest of the international community, will have to find the courage to make a stand.

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fergal barry  Sep 1 7:45 AM #

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Isn’t land grabbing something the Nazis did and we are still hearing how terrible it was for the Jew ish. . And the Holocaust. How come Israel thinks it’s ok for them to now do it.. A very short memory. Sickening.

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Glen  Sep 1 7:50 AM #

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Today’s political zi0nists have nothing in common with those who died in hitlers camps but more with hitler himself.

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SeanieRyan  Sep 1 8:53 AM #

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Look at what they did to the Black Jews from Ethiopa, they gave them contraceptives via injection and told them they were Hep shots etc.

What is that but straight from Germany of the 30′s. They have become what they most hate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:40 AM #

179     16

When the Nazis grabbed land, we are talking about world domination. From the west coast of France to almost Moscow in the east, the arctic circle to the Sahara in the south.

Israel is 9 miles wide at its centre, from the sea to the West Bank. It’s returned Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to the Gazans.

But you still feel able to compare the two? And 330 geniuses think you are right? Thankfully I know many Irish people who have a deeper understanding than you and your online friends.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 9:47 AM #

7     88

Now that is just sick… The fact that they don’t even try to justify it says an awful lot..

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Miguel O’Reilly  Sep 1 9:55 AM #

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you really have no idea Murray do you? mass murder, land grab, propaganda machine spouting nonsense. where have we seen this all before eh?

only difference this time is the US are arming them to carry out these atrocities

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DN  Sep 1 9:59 AM #

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@murray. Before this Irish state was born we have seen murder and land grab from occupying forces. Dont tell us Irish that we dont understand. We know damn well what its like to live under an oppressive regeme. Spout your propoganda elswhere, shill.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:37 AM #

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So no actual reply to my post – just more name calling? Well I guess that just shows how lacking in answers you are.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

NETANYAHU MUST BE REMOVED! A NEW LEADERSHIP TO WIN THIS WAR AND ELIMINATE ANTISEMITISM!

 

No matter how you cut it the Netanyahu approach to war on Hamas does not succeed and has not succeeded.

 

Felix Quigley leader of 4international says…Everything comes back to Netanyahu and the aims of the Israeli elite who do not want to fight and who do not any longer know how to fight. The first step in the war had to be to conquer Gaza City in the first couple of days and force all of the population towards the south, thereby splitting this tiny strip into two. Given one full day to evacuate and move south then artillery bombardment to level this total northern area and breeding ground of Antisemitism to the ground. Then Israel’s brave and precious troops of the IDF move in. The área of the tiny Gaza strip is thereby reduced by half awaiting the next move which will entail clearing the área of Antisemitism, and welcoming those Arabs who love the Jewish state, welcoming them as guests of the Jewish state.

 

The Netanyahu approach leaves the Hamas to continue their existence. This is based on the Netanyahu idea that the existence of Hamas prevents a Palestine seeking government (of Palestinian Arabs) to be effective.

 

Such total negativity from a proud nation of 3500 years standing is imposible to believe!

 

Netanyahu reasons that if there was such a movement then given the backing of the whole world, which includes all countries of the West even including Canada!, and includes all countries of the Arab world even including Egypt and the Saudis, with the Stalinists thrown in of China and Russia (importance not slight) with the latter dragging behind them a Stalinist “left” in the west THEN HE COULD NOT RESIST that force.

 

THAT FORCE IS REALLY WORLD ANTISEMITISM

 

So the whole line of Netanyahu is to not put Hamas out of operation, that is make it cease to exist, as in “dead parrot” fame

 

Thus every action of the IDF and IAF under this type of Israeli leadership is designed NEVER to smash Hamas, but to teach it a lesson. It is reasoned that Hamas has in the past kept a kind of peace, that is it did not fire rockets for stretches of time, and at the same time as not firing rockets then it continues to drive Hajj Amin el Husseini style its Jew Hatred.

 

Both practically and morally more holes in this than in a sieve!

 

This kind of thinking and approach is actually why Netanyahu must go and as soon as possible

 

4international is totally opposed to the argument that because Israel is in a war then it is no time to look for new leaders.

 

In actual fact it is the perfect time to look for new leaders and the most decisive action in this war is to replace Netanyahu and Ya’alon types and to have a new small but collective leadership which will have as its aim the total destruction of Hamas and the rule of the Israeli state over Gaza, which will immediately open a whole new set of possibilities all of them beneficial, foremost of which will be state action to eliminate Antisemitism out of Gaza, an area in which Jews have always been associated with and is mentioned in the Bible for such association.

 

There can be no place in Gaza for Antisemitism. Any measures both repressive as well as humanitarian are good towards that end. THE END ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS AND OFTEN ALSO POINTS TOWARDS THE PROPER MEANS. The end here is to eliminate Antisemitism.

 

A noble aim! An all encompassing aim!

 

Plus this is an excellent aim to disseminate widely in the west. Who could disagree on the aim of eliminating Antisemitism!?

 

What kind of “new leadership” though???

 

It is impossible to say but if in every regard it is the opposite of the Netanyahu approach. If so we are on a good road!

 

Netanyahu is secretive and is cut off from the masses of Israelis. It is likely his wife over breakfast cereals has a bigger role to play…it is that absurd. I mean who else if not her!

 

This is a nation which creates Nobel Prize winners galore but yet this setup is running the state! Truly bizarre!

 

Netanyahu not only does not encourage or lead discussion among the masses of Jews he actually emininates it in short measure, as his sacking of poor Danny Dayon showed, and not enough attention was given to that disgrace, an absence of attention which highlights how far the rot has set in.

 

We are all tired of Netanyahu waiting on Obama and his end of 8 horrible years in January 2017. There are demographic changes afoot in America and the next may be even worse than Obama.

 

If all of Israel including Judea and Samaria is about the size of Leinster then Gaza is about half the size of Louth, the smallest county out of 32 in my own small island of Ireland. It is tiny. Conquer it. Tell the Israeli people why. Explain our aims of eliminating Antisemitism, discuss the issue of means and ends, a philosophical issue. Discuss these issues everywhere inside the Israeli people.

 

This will then automatically disseminate into the IDF where the IDF middle ranks leaders, those who fight on the front lines, will be able to sack generals and appoint new ones, that is fighting and clued in generals WITHOUT DOGMA who also will be on the front line as in 67.

 

The IDF and Netanyahu too have done good and commendable things in the war so far. But it is all turned into its opposite (the opposite of good is evil!) by not having a strategy to defeat Hamas and by overlooking Israeli state rule to root out Antisemitism.

 

I read all the stuff! I have seen nobody but this good self to put this forward.

 

But I am a Trotskyist and I propose building a Trotskyist leadership. Of course this is not sectarian and I will work with all friends. But will they, with us?

 

REMOVE NETANYAHU NOW!

LEADERSHIP OF WAR BY A COMMITTEE TO CONQUER GAZA!

 

END ANTISEMITISM IN GAZA! (THE KEY DEMAND ON WHICH ALL ELSE CENTRES AND FROM WHICH ALL ELSE FLOWS)

 

PROMULGATE IDEAS OF VICTORY EVERYWHERE WITH THE WIDEST DISCUSSION POSSIBLE!

 

By (Trotskyist) Felix Quigley of 4international on 24 august 2014