ANNIVERSARY OF 9-11 ROLLS IN AGAIN AND THEY ARE STILL SCRUBBING FOR ISLAM

America tuned in to hear how Obama planned to defeat the Islamic army conquering whole swaths of the Middle East. Instead Obama took to the prime time airwaves to proselytize for Islam.

Obama in his speech to America performed a scrubbing and cleaning up job for Islam

Obama is the true Mohammedan. He claimed:

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim.

Thus today on the anniversary of 9-11 there is still this ideology in the world that tries to paint Islam as being a religión of peace.

ISIl according tot he present President of the US so many years and so many experiences after that fateful claim by Bush is nothing to do with Islam

This is the key concept that we on 4international want to concéntrate on. Of course ISIL has EVERYTHING  to do with Islam

As the main scholars of Islm today are pointing out continually every beheading, every burying of humans alive, every single barbarity, is being inspired by the Korana nd the Hadiths

They quote continually

Last night as I thought on the anniversary of 9-11 I wrote this, some of it takes up the issues of leadership:

Another year rolls by and another anniversary of the Muslim attack on the Twin Towers in New York

 

The reason that the left did not oppose this atrocity is because of the influence of Stalinism and revisionism which itself did not centre on 9-11 but happened a long time before. The left had betrayed the method and principles of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

 

When Leon Trotsky was murdered by the Stalinist assassin Ramon Mercader, recruited out of the Spanish Civil War bloodbath, it was not only Trotsky but a whole cadre leadership which had been wiped out by the Stalinists and the Fascists, with the ID OFof the capitalist imperialist countries like Britain and US

 

Thus Trotskyism was left without leadership. There was thus no continuity. The person who became known as Tony Cliff was never a Trotskyist, nor was Isaac Deutscher the biographer of Trotsky.

 

There was a vacuum in 1945. Into that vacuum were sucked in a new layer of leadership into left wing political life.

 

A big turning point which had great influence was the defeat by the Jews of Israel not only over the armies of the Arabs but by those armies now supported totally by the Stalinists of Moscow in 1967. This was the qualitative year.

 

The important book Phantom Nation had spelled out in detail how the phenomenon known as the “Palestinians” came into being in 1967, not before. It gained this huge traction in 1967 because from then on it was sold as a commodity

 

Who did the selling?

 

  1. The Stalinists as I mentioned above
  2. The Arabs
  3. The Arabs of the area of Palestine who had a history centred on Hajj Amin el Husseini whose Jew Hatred was contiguous to that of the Nazis
  4. The British
  5. The US Establishment who remember had had a history of eugenics and racist Antisemitism

All of that is clear. But there is one other force often overlooked and that is the Jewish leadership of Israel

 

What did they do well in fact they both did nothing and did a lot.

 

This is a fact. The leadership of Israel while fighting in a patriotic and brave manner in 1948 was a middle class and a petty bourgeois leadership

 

This leadership did one thing which was fatal. It did not fight this new concept of “Palestine” but adapted to it. They adapted to the nascent Antisemitism

 

Before the Palestinians were the Jews. The most patriotic Jews saw themselves as Jewish Palestinians

 

The Arabs did not like the term. They continually called themselves “Arabs” and sometimes “Arabs of Southern Syria”.

 

The middle class Jewish leaders drowned themselves in a mythology divorced from the reality of the present. They could have contested the Arabs ove the “Palestine” name. A lot was at stake. It was really their first and massive betrayal.

 

These were not Marxists or Trotskyists. They were Jihadists on the left.

 

When 9-11 happened of course they could not attack Muslims or Islam

 

The first expression of this was the conspiracy industry. The Left Jihadist Fascists resurrected conspiracy in order to cement their alliance with Islam Fascism

 

The point is not whether US Imperialism were not in bed with the Jihadists. They were in one way or another. For example their multiculturalism was allowing the Jihadists to flourish in Bosnia, Berlin or London

 

But the Jihadist and anti-Marxist left had become a vehicle for the Jihad.

 

That was why this massive conspiracy industry suddenly sprang up. They were not seeking truth so much as providing a cover for Islam and so that has remained to this day.

 

And still centres on the “Palestinian” basura.

 

THE DEEP ANTISEMITISM IN IRELAND WHICH IS CREATED BY SINN FEIN

Irish hatred for Israel betrays the Irish republican struggle

The Trotskyist movement in Ireland as represented by us on this site must be expanded rapidly in order to fight against the deep Antisemitism that is running through the Jihadist and Stalinist/Revisionist movements and indeed through the whole of capitalist society worldwide. But we refer here mainly to Ireland.

We are independent from all other political movements including Jewish movements but we do fight in soldiarity with the latter.

The purpose of this article is to point out two things

1. the great hubbub about the state of Israel taking under its wing about a square mile or a Little less of land

2. the initial promise by the League of Nations to the Jews in 1922 which was far bigger than present day Israel

The leading purveyor of Antisemitism is THE MEDIA and this Antisemitism was clearly on show and proved when it published the HAMAS figures for dead and injured during the recent Gaza War.

This was a deeply Antisemitic action to take  and will never be forgiven by us Trotskyists in Ireland who do two things: we defend Jews against Antisemitism and we always stand for truthful discourse

So this is what these scumbags on an Irish website have written on this land issue:

“ISRAEL HAS CLAIMED nearly 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank, in what is understood to be the biggest such seizure in decades.

Local authorities in the Gush Etzion area, south of Bethlehem, said the decision to establish new settlements there was a response to the killing of three Jewish teenagers there in June.

Their kidnapping and deaths sparked 50 days of violence between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza strip, which killed 2,138 Palestinians, and 68 Israelis, before an indefinite ceasefire last week.

A US State Department official has condemned the land seizure, telling Reuters it was “counterproductive to Israel’s stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians.”

“We urge the government of Israel to reverse the decision,” the official added.

Peace Now, a group which opposed Israeli settlements, said authorities planned to seize 990 acres near the existing settlement of Gevaot, west of Bethlehem.”

http://www.thejournal.ie/israel-land-seizure-west-bank-settlements-1648124-Sep2014/

TO UNDERSTAND FULLY THE LIE THAT ISRAEL GRABS LAND JUST LOOK AT THIS MAP

All of these Arab states in the map above have been gained by the Arab people. They started with a couple of states and they now have 22 very rich states. ALL SINCE 1922
THE MEDIA IGNORES THE TINYNESS AND VULNERABILITY OF ISRAEL
SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW ISRAEL HAS BECOME HATED
SOME THOUGHTS ON ANTISEMITISM
The growth of this Antisemitism is a product of maany things but in the world in general it is partly oil. The world of capitalism has been sucking up to rich oil essentially.
The Catholic Church in Ireland has always been basically secular since the times of Paul Cullen. With the decline of the Catholic Church in Ireland its place in rural Ireland has been taken over by the also secular Sinn Fein of today. Not such a big leap considering they are both essentially secular (the same type of secularism meaning separation of state and religión)
This is where the Antisemitism is coming from. It comes from Sinn Fein, this replacement of Catholic Church power. That replacement of Catholic Church by Sinn Fein today is complete

THE FOLLOWING MAP IS A GOOD ONE. THE SPLIT ALONG THE RIVER WAS MADE BY THE BRITISH. INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORY FURTHER PLEASE

EXTRACT STARTS HERE

“The Mandate system was instituted by the League of Nations in the early 20th century to administer non-self-governing territories. The mandatory power, appointed by an international body, was to consider the mandated territory a temporary trust and to see to the well-being and advancement of its population.

In July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine,” Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterwards, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

The British Mandate authorities granted the Jewish and Arab communities the right to run their internal affairs; thus the yishuv established the Elected Assembly and the National Council. The economy expanded, a Hebrew education network was organized and cultural life flourished.

The Mandatory government did not succeed in maintaining the letter and spirit of the Mandate. Under Arab pressure, it withdrew from its commitment, especially with respect to immigration and land acquisition. The White Papers of 1930 and 1939 restricted immigration and acquisition of land by Jews. Later, immigration was limited by the 1930 and 1939 White Papers, and land acquisition by Jews was severely restricted by the 1940 Land Transfer Regulations.

After the UN General Assembly adopted the resolution to partition Palestine on November 29, 1947, Britain announced the termination of its Mandate over Palestine, to take effect on May 15, 1948. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mandate3.HTML

NOW WE RETURN TO THE JOURNAL.IE

A RECENT ARTICLE DREW A WHOLE HEAP OF JIHADISTS

THIS EXTRACT IS FAIRLY LONG SO PLEASE JUST SKIM IT AND PERHAPS KEEP IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. YOU WILL SEE THESE PRESENT DAY IRISH ANTISEMITES AND JIHADISTS OF THE LEFT AT WORK

BEGIN EXTRACTS HERE (SAME AS URL ABOVE)

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William Ruane  Sep 1 7:46 AM #

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Obama and EU warns and threatens Putin, but ‘urges’ Israel to reconsider its decision….hmmmm

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 8:58 AM #

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the three teens were executed by israel in a filthy false flag operation.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:16 AM #

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Any evidence or do you routinely spread lies?

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Paul Courtney  Sep 1 9:20 AM #

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Enough. I was on the fence till now. Thought one side was as bad as the other but this land grab has decided me.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:31 AM #

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And what are the full details of the alleged ‘land grab”? Do you ACTUALLY know are are you prepared to simply accept whatever you are fed?

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Paul Courtney  Sep 1 9:51 AM #

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Murray, try searching for “Israel land seizure west bank”.

Today’s articles from independent. Co.UK. timrsofisrael.com haarezt.com. rte.ie Huffington post.com. Washington post.com nytimes.com to mention a few.

Do you think they all lying?

Even Israel’s own newspaper web sites?

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Emily Elephant  Sep 1 9:58 AM #

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The false flag stuff really doesn’t add up. If Israel kept doing this, upped its rate a bit and seized 1000 acres every 3 months, it would take 1400 years, 380,000 dead Israelis and 12 million dead Palestinians to settle the West Bank. While I credit the Israelis with a longer view than, say, Fine Gael, I doubt any plans which are that elaborate.

I don’t doubt that their ultimate goal is the annexation of the larger chunk of the West Bank.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:03 AM #

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Murray see the attached link, Israeli news sources reporting 988 acres taken from 5 Palestinian villages. “The move clears the way for construction of a new settlement named Gvaot” according to the news website below. And it doesn’t matter what their reason the detail behind the, they have taken land which isn’t theirs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.613319

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Mr Phil Officer  Sep 1 10:07 AM #

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Murray it would be counterproductive to annex the whole of the West Bank or Gaza, Israel needs to keep the “enemy at the gates” like all the super powers they need a live fire battle field to keep troops battle ready. Occupy, antagonise and then blame the natives through the media to keep their own populace and military wound up nice and tight with an appetite for war.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:33 AM #

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I can see lots of articles, some of which are maliciously labelled land grab, but no detailed, high resolution mapping that clearly defines exactly what is proposed, and where. Or who it will directly affect, or whether there are existing owners, or whether the land is under agriculture, or…

Israel operates under rule of law and from the little I could glean this morning, this decision has been overseen by the judiciary.

It’s all very well coming out in protest, but what are you actually protesting? Or is it simply that the media have called it a land grab and this has automatically set up a knee jerk reaction to all those who hate Israel?

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 10:40 AM #

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Israeli media are reporting it, both left and right wing Murray. This isn’t the states, people bother to check information. Fail

“Israel operates under rule of law ”

And that puts the rest of your hasbara in context. israel regularly wipes its ar$e with both international and humanitarian law.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:49 AM #

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Murray, What difference does it make what the land is used for, it is not Israel’s land. Have Israel taken the land? and please note its a Yes or No question.

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Mr Phil Officer  Sep 1 10:51 AM #

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Murray Israel violated international law and need to be held to account, the old testament is not the law and the argument that commentators are anti Israeli is an old one now. I don’t hate Israel and I think most Irish people understand and sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian people because of our own history in fact most people Irish or otherwise would be horrified to see a grown man beat and murder a child never mind a well trained and equipped military bombarding their houses and killing them in their beds, that’s not war its an extermination. No army should target civilians.

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Kp Gumbo  Sep 1 11:05 AM #

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Jesus but you are a moron !!!

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Ailbhe O’Nolan  Sep 1 11:08 AM #

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Murrays got the blinkers on.

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FMan  Sep 1 11:15 AM #

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‘SeekingUniversalTruth. Making silly assertions about Israel murdering its own citizens does not advance the cause of peace and an agreed settlement in the area.

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De Wit  Sep 1 11:16 AM #

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Why are any of you arguing with murray? Under no circumstances will he ever admit the rogue state has done wrong, have a read of this

http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/you-happening-letter-israeli-friend/

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Michelle Rogers  Sep 1 11:17 AM #

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We need to keep our own government on track too – here is our Department of Foreign Affairs statement on Gaza: https://www.dfa.ie/our-role-policies/our-work/casestudiesarchive/2014/july/situation-in-gaza-and-israel-irelands-position/

“Ireland wants to see a permanent and sustainable ceasefire, the lifting of the blockade on Gaza which is at the root cause of this devastating conflict and ultimately the establishment of a two-state solution which is based on the borders of 1967.”

If this really is our position, then we need to be clear that our craven relationship with the USA will not interfere with this position – letting USA war jets fly over Dublin is not a great way to do that.

I hope to hear our Government publicly denounce this latest land grab.

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Colm O’Brien  Sep 1 11:26 AM #

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Murray,

The rule of law you refer to operates like this: the military go to court and say it’s vital for Israel’s security that we have that land to make this road or whatever and the court says ok.

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Sean O’Keeffe  Sep 1 11:42 AM #

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There is a great difference between the rule of law (observed by democracies) and rule by law (common to tyrannical administrations).

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M Bowe  Sep 1 11:59 AM #

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Olive oil is currently being harvested on this land by the Palestinian owners. As for the death of the 3 teenagers being cause of this illegal land grab, tenders for construction of 1000 Israeli homes was issued for this area last year.

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Paul Maguire  Sep 1 12:19 PM #

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It is toltally wrong what Israel is doing no matter what spin you want put on it

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Ablitive  Sep 1 12:19 PM #

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Definately a false flag operation and a pretext to ground invade Gaza (Which incidentally occurred simultaneously on the same day as MH17 hoax)

BTW………. Where are the feet?

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De Wit  Sep 1 12:24 PM #

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http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/watch-us-broadcaster-mike-malloy-wipes-the-floor-with-israel-apologists/

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RP McMurphy  Sep 1 12:43 PM #

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The land belongs to five Palestinian villages of Jaba, Sur’if, Wadi Fuk’in, Husan and Nahal’in according to Haaretz.

The proposal is to ‘create territorial continuity between the Green Line and the settlements of Beitar Ill it, K’far Etzi’on and Gvaot’.

I think when you appropriate 1000 acres belonging to someone else, then the law should act to protect those who are disenfranchised no matter who your international friends are. And this is on top of 245 acres appropriated from Palestine last April!

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Paul  Sep 1 12:54 PM #

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maybe they were blown to bits and poured from a wheelbarrow onto them stretchers

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Brian McCarthy  Sep 1 1:18 PM #

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You won’t hear any meaningful condemnation from our spineless government. Ireland is open for business but it’s not open to supporting the plight of the palestinians. Boycott Israel!!

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holden mcgroin  Sep 1 2:03 PM #

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“Israel operates under the rule of law” hahahahahahahahahaha.

Israel has broken more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi and North Korea put together. And as for a “civilized” nation that uses flechettes on women and children don’t get me started. You are a propagandist Murray. An Israeli propagandist.

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Zoe Daly  Sep 1 2:10 PM #

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agree Brian,

Ireland is open for business with Israel alright. You won’t hear a peep from our government. Quiet as mice.

Millions apparently spent in arms export to Israel in past few years. Interesting considering the allegiances of our last Minister for Defence!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/state-approved-euro64m-in-israel-arms-exports-283664.html

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twooggy  Sep 1 2:23 PM #

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Murray’s an idiot!

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Ailbhe O’Nolan  Sep 1 3:10 PM #

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Murray wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face. The Israelis ciuld march into his house, boot him out and claim it as their own and he would still deny any wrong doing or that it even happened.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:06 PM #

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Paul, please check out this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:09 PM #

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John,

Haaretz is the Israeli newspaper that informs the Guardian and BBC – i.e., not my idea of balanced reporting. However, I was waiting to get more info and as you’ve had the courtesy to respond, can I direct you to this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 5:11 PM #

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Please see the link – it IS Israel land and the story you’ve been fed is intended to stir up trouble, where none exists.

http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/

FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 5:26 PM #

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@ murray. Your links to ‘prove’ that the land belongs to israel point to an israeli organisation headed up by netenyahus former foreign policy advisor.

Comical. Pathetic yet comical.

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Chris Mcdonnell  Sep 1 6:34 PM #

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So Michele prematch entertainment at croke park is letting the Americans walk all over us? Do us a favour and join IS I’ll drive you to the airport

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Sean O’Keeffe  Sep 1 6:59 PM #

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“I think the timing is idiotic.”

There’s never really a good time to engage in land theft and the provocation of a subjugated people into rebellion against their oppressor.

” The British Government believes that Israeli settlements on occupied territory are illegal. So does every other government in the world, except for Israel.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7708244.stm

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Oran Burns  Sep 1 7:00 PM #

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They don’t target civilians.

If they did then they are not very good at it!

Hamas operate from heavily densely populated civilian areas and put their own people in the firing line.

But you won’t hear that on sky news.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 7:21 PM #

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Murray, I find it interesting that you can have such faith in an article on that has no author attached to it, when other blogs on the site have authors attached. That’s usually a sign of a lack of faith in the author in what they are writing.

You complain about a lack of balanced reporting from Haaretz, yet one of the Experts at the JCPA

Nadav Shragai wrote for that paper for 27 years.

Six out of the ten of the Experts are ex IDF( most of them with high Ranks).

The rest have had roles high up in the Government.

Its looking like all the Experts are Jewish.

Now how can they possibly provide a balanced response.

In fact, its an IDF led propaganda tool. Look back at the blogs not one mention of the fact that Israel bombed UN schools. The blogs show only one side of the story. So I ask how can you think they provide a balanced view

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 7:24 PM #

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Oran, it does not matter if they do or do not target civilians, the fact is they hit them, and that should be the issue not that whether or not they target them.

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Oran Burns  Sep 1 10:13 PM #

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John it does matter. It matters a huge deal as intent to do harm is a serious crime!

When an army is drawn into urban guerrilla warfare in a heavily densely populated area where the attackers hide amongst civilians in schools, mosques, UN shelters and homes….tragic and awful things happen.

I should add that every loss of Palestinian or Israeli innocent life is a tragedy.

But Hamas are the ones picking a fight and they see loss of life in a holy war as an act of service to God.

So they put women and children in the firing line.

It’s a dirty war tactic which needs to be exposed for what it is.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 10:43 PM #

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So knowing that Hamas put women and children in the line of fire the IDF still choose to fire on them. Yes its a dirty tactic, but even when the IDF were warned they were firing to close to UN shelters they kept firing. Both Hamas and IDF are guilty of using dirty tactics. Bear in mind that Israelis were so concerned that they took months to notice that one of their bomb shelters inside the zone being attacked by Hamas was turned into a Casino…

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 11:40 PM #

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John, I don’t have a problem with its authorship because the information simply makes sense to me. There were 3 areas agreed at Oslo – the one being discussed happens to be in Area C.

With regard to the UN schools, presumably you have read why UN schools were targeted, when they were targeted. You’ve presumably seen footage from Italian, French and Indian news teams that show missiles being launched from civilian areas, in one instance immediately adjacent to a UN facility.

I entirely share your horror at the deaths and injuries and the homelessness that has resulted from this conflict. Having lived and worked in Israel over many years, Israelis do not live their lives hoping to destroy Palestinians or make their lives harder. At one time, before the 2nd intifada, there was so much interaction between Israelis and Palestinians. They worked together, shopped in each others businesses, constructed homes together and shared lives. After the 2nd intifada that stopped completely, except in places like Haifa which has a big mixed Jewish and Muslim/Christian Arab population.

Unless you live there and experience the intensity of life, both good and bad, you cannot begin to understand what drives the narrative in Israel and the Palestinian territories. The Palestinians have so much to gain if they could only try to see past 45 years of hostile programming. It might be possible with Fatah and the PA. It won’t happen with Hamas – they are ideologically unable to negotiate with Israel, so I really don’t know the way forward.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 11:56 PM #

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I have spoken to guys who went into Gaza for Cast Lead. They said it was like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. The IDF may not fire on civilians so when they come across a Hamas operative firing at them from behind a child or woman, they have to back away. I know this is not the narrative you’ve been told, but its true, nevertheless. I don’t doubt there are some rogue soldiers as in any army who will take the law into their own hands, but if they do and they are found out, Israeli military prisons are not good places to be.

WRT those Israelis who sat on a hill, watching the glow from explosions and cheering, when you have spent the past 12 years frequently having to dive into bomb shelters to avoid rockets and now mortar shells, the people across the border are viewed as very much the enemy and those people on the hill are glad to see that enemy getting a pasting. Its a normal human reaction, but does not mean that when some of the enemy come across the border in desperate need of medical attention, they don’t get that attention in Israeli hospitals.

Last November I shared a Tel Aviv hospital room with 2 other guys, one of whom was a Gazan (and his wife), who was getting medical aid for his terminal cancer. He had the same care and attention and food as we did. Hope you can acknowledge that.

Seems to me that a great deal of the hatred some Irish people feel for Israel stems from their identification with the Palestinians as suffering as did the Irish under the British. While there are some common causes, the two stories are really not the same. In fact, early Israelis had good reason to bitterly hate the English, but thats another story.

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Dummy Crusher  Sep 3 12:15 AM #

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Paid Hasbara Puppet!

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Peter Slattery  Sep 1 7:33 AM #

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And so wee see the true goal of the Israeli government and the Z word. Nothing they do is in the interest of security and the safety of their citizens. They just crave land.

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Niall H  Sep 1 7:49 AM #

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It’s like watching ‘the field’ only they’ve bigger beards and in this case the yank does the murdering.

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:00 AM #

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Drum roll

Ladies and the Gentlemen

The analogy of the year goes to………….Niaaalllllllll H

*rapturous applause…………..standing ovation……………..

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:15 AM #

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i just read that again niall…….clsss lmfao

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:21 AM #

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At its centre, Israel is 9 miles wide, from the sea to the West Bank. If Israel just,’craved land’, they would have annexed the entire West Bank by now, not withdrawn from Gaza, or returned the Sinai to Egypt.

Security for its citizens is very much at the forefront of every governments’ mind. Israel is no different.

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SeekingUniverslTruth  Sep 1 9:31 AM #

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security is such a quaint term for murder

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Peter Slattery  Sep 1 9:56 AM #

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Keep shilling, Murray.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:34 AM #

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So are security guards by your definition, murderers?

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D H  Sep 1 11:01 AM #

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Murray israel not only crave the land but they also dont want to end up a pariah. They have long figured that slow and steady is how to achieve this without ending up like sourh africa. And the international community idly by watching and seemingly supporting the ethnic cleansing of palestine to make way for the jewish israel

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Were Jammin  Sep 1 11:18 AM #

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@ murray: “So are security guards by your definition, murderers?”

They are if they’re conscripted to the IDF and then shell UN shelters where innocent women and children are hiding in fear of their lives, as we just witnessed multiple times.

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De Wit  Sep 1 11:35 AM #

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People that deliberately kill innocent people are murderers, it doesn’t matter what their job is or how many lies they tell about not meaning to do it.

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Zoe Daly  Sep 1 11:44 AM #

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Its not just about land. Its about water supplies as well. Israel is claiming all the best land that contains water supplies, streams or wells. They are leaving the arid desert to the Palestinians.

Obama is afraid of the powerful Jewish lobby, because they control America. They run the film, media, entertainment and communications industries. They make or break who so ever they chose, and they have a significant voice in who becomes US President.

But Israel has gone too far this time. It is a rogue state that is out of control, in complete defiance of international law. The US, & the rest of the international community, will have to find the courage to make a stand.

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fergal barry  Sep 1 7:45 AM #

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Isn’t land grabbing something the Nazis did and we are still hearing how terrible it was for the Jew ish. . And the Holocaust. How come Israel thinks it’s ok for them to now do it.. A very short memory. Sickening.

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Glen  Sep 1 7:50 AM #

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Today’s political zi0nists have nothing in common with those who died in hitlers camps but more with hitler himself.

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SeanieRyan  Sep 1 8:53 AM #

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Look at what they did to the Black Jews from Ethiopa, they gave them contraceptives via injection and told them they were Hep shots etc.

What is that but straight from Germany of the 30′s. They have become what they most hate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 9:40 AM #

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When the Nazis grabbed land, we are talking about world domination. From the west coast of France to almost Moscow in the east, the arctic circle to the Sahara in the south.

Israel is 9 miles wide at its centre, from the sea to the West Bank. It’s returned Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to the Gazans.

But you still feel able to compare the two? And 330 geniuses think you are right? Thankfully I know many Irish people who have a deeper understanding than you and your online friends.

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John Rabbett  Sep 1 9:47 AM #

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Now that is just sick… The fact that they don’t even try to justify it says an awful lot..

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Miguel O’Reilly  Sep 1 9:55 AM #

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you really have no idea Murray do you? mass murder, land grab, propaganda machine spouting nonsense. where have we seen this all before eh?

only difference this time is the US are arming them to carry out these atrocities

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DN  Sep 1 9:59 AM #

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@murray. Before this Irish state was born we have seen murder and land grab from occupying forces. Dont tell us Irish that we dont understand. We know damn well what its like to live under an oppressive regeme. Spout your propoganda elswhere, shill.

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Murray Freedman  Sep 1 10:37 AM #

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So no actual reply to my post – just more name calling? Well I guess that just shows how lacking in answers you are.

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NETANYAHU MUST BE REMOVED! A NEW LEADERSHIP TO WIN THIS WAR AND ELIMINATE ANTISEMITISM!

 

No matter how you cut it the Netanyahu approach to war on Hamas does not succeed and has not succeeded.

 

Felix Quigley leader of 4international says…Everything comes back to Netanyahu and the aims of the Israeli elite who do not want to fight and who do not any longer know how to fight. The first step in the war had to be to conquer Gaza City in the first couple of days and force all of the population towards the south, thereby splitting this tiny strip into two. Given one full day to evacuate and move south then artillery bombardment to level this total northern area and breeding ground of Antisemitism to the ground. Then Israel’s brave and precious troops of the IDF move in. The área of the tiny Gaza strip is thereby reduced by half awaiting the next move which will entail clearing the área of Antisemitism, and welcoming those Arabs who love the Jewish state, welcoming them as guests of the Jewish state.

 

The Netanyahu approach leaves the Hamas to continue their existence. This is based on the Netanyahu idea that the existence of Hamas prevents a Palestine seeking government (of Palestinian Arabs) to be effective.

 

Such total negativity from a proud nation of 3500 years standing is imposible to believe!

 

Netanyahu reasons that if there was such a movement then given the backing of the whole world, which includes all countries of the West even including Canada!, and includes all countries of the Arab world even including Egypt and the Saudis, with the Stalinists thrown in of China and Russia (importance not slight) with the latter dragging behind them a Stalinist “left” in the west THEN HE COULD NOT RESIST that force.

 

THAT FORCE IS REALLY WORLD ANTISEMITISM

 

So the whole line of Netanyahu is to not put Hamas out of operation, that is make it cease to exist, as in “dead parrot” fame

 

Thus every action of the IDF and IAF under this type of Israeli leadership is designed NEVER to smash Hamas, but to teach it a lesson. It is reasoned that Hamas has in the past kept a kind of peace, that is it did not fire rockets for stretches of time, and at the same time as not firing rockets then it continues to drive Hajj Amin el Husseini style its Jew Hatred.

 

Both practically and morally more holes in this than in a sieve!

 

This kind of thinking and approach is actually why Netanyahu must go and as soon as possible

 

4international is totally opposed to the argument that because Israel is in a war then it is no time to look for new leaders.

 

In actual fact it is the perfect time to look for new leaders and the most decisive action in this war is to replace Netanyahu and Ya’alon types and to have a new small but collective leadership which will have as its aim the total destruction of Hamas and the rule of the Israeli state over Gaza, which will immediately open a whole new set of possibilities all of them beneficial, foremost of which will be state action to eliminate Antisemitism out of Gaza, an area in which Jews have always been associated with and is mentioned in the Bible for such association.

 

There can be no place in Gaza for Antisemitism. Any measures both repressive as well as humanitarian are good towards that end. THE END ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS AND OFTEN ALSO POINTS TOWARDS THE PROPER MEANS. The end here is to eliminate Antisemitism.

 

A noble aim! An all encompassing aim!

 

Plus this is an excellent aim to disseminate widely in the west. Who could disagree on the aim of eliminating Antisemitism!?

 

What kind of “new leadership” though???

 

It is impossible to say but if in every regard it is the opposite of the Netanyahu approach. If so we are on a good road!

 

Netanyahu is secretive and is cut off from the masses of Israelis. It is likely his wife over breakfast cereals has a bigger role to play…it is that absurd. I mean who else if not her!

 

This is a nation which creates Nobel Prize winners galore but yet this setup is running the state! Truly bizarre!

 

Netanyahu not only does not encourage or lead discussion among the masses of Jews he actually emininates it in short measure, as his sacking of poor Danny Dayon showed, and not enough attention was given to that disgrace, an absence of attention which highlights how far the rot has set in.

 

We are all tired of Netanyahu waiting on Obama and his end of 8 horrible years in January 2017. There are demographic changes afoot in America and the next may be even worse than Obama.

 

If all of Israel including Judea and Samaria is about the size of Leinster then Gaza is about half the size of Louth, the smallest county out of 32 in my own small island of Ireland. It is tiny. Conquer it. Tell the Israeli people why. Explain our aims of eliminating Antisemitism, discuss the issue of means and ends, a philosophical issue. Discuss these issues everywhere inside the Israeli people.

 

This will then automatically disseminate into the IDF where the IDF middle ranks leaders, those who fight on the front lines, will be able to sack generals and appoint new ones, that is fighting and clued in generals WITHOUT DOGMA who also will be on the front line as in 67.

 

The IDF and Netanyahu too have done good and commendable things in the war so far. But it is all turned into its opposite (the opposite of good is evil!) by not having a strategy to defeat Hamas and by overlooking Israeli state rule to root out Antisemitism.

 

I read all the stuff! I have seen nobody but this good self to put this forward.

 

But I am a Trotskyist and I propose building a Trotskyist leadership. Of course this is not sectarian and I will work with all friends. But will they, with us?

 

REMOVE NETANYAHU NOW!

LEADERSHIP OF WAR BY A COMMITTEE TO CONQUER GAZA!

 

END ANTISEMITISM IN GAZA! (THE KEY DEMAND ON WHICH ALL ELSE CENTRES AND FROM WHICH ALL ELSE FLOWS)

 

PROMULGATE IDEAS OF VICTORY EVERYWHERE WITH THE WIDEST DISCUSSION POSSIBLE!

 

By (Trotskyist) Felix Quigley of 4international on 24 august 2014

 

THE GENOCIDE OF THE YAZIDIS…Saddam was a dictator but everything changed for the worse when the US toppled him

 

This is a good article on the Yazidis by The Gates of Vienna editor. On BBC this norning a leader from Kurdistán has pointed out that Obama has not honoured the agreement he made when pulling out the American tropos because Obama was bound by that agreement to have stopped this horror on the Yazidis (women and children reported buried alive by Islam) One comment on a blog has wittily pointed out Obama is bringing them their last meal before being butched by Obama’s friends in ISIL. Cameron is the same:

 

The Genocide of the Yezidis

We’ve posted previously about the Yezidis (also spelled Yazidis), a non-Muslim non-Christian religious minority in northern Iraq. Life for the Yezidis has been precarious since the fall of Saddam Hussein, but it became much worse after ISIS, now the Islamic State, entered Kurdish territory in Iraq.

One of the avowed goals of the Islamic State is to exterminate all shirk, which is the blasphemous association of other entities with Allah in any religious worship. Shiites are mushrikun (practitioners of shirk), due to their devotion to the tombs of past imams, as are Christians (because of the Trinity) and Yezidis (due to their devotion to seven angels). Over the past few days ISIS has attacked Yezidis in Sinjar and driven them into barren mountainous areas where many have died of thirst.

The following video shows a heart-rending appeal made by a Yezidi woman during a session of the Iraqi parliament:

Below are excerpts from four articles about the attempted genocide against the Yezidis. First, from BasNews:

Iraq: Since Sinjar Takeover IS Militant Kills 300 Yazidi Kurds

The death rate of Yazidi Kurds in the city of Sinjar climbs to over 300, the path being carved by Islamic State militants a brutal and difficult road leaving the minority group will few options for survival.

These mass killings have taken place not only in Sinjar city itself, but also surrounding villages and communities such as Siba Sheikh Khdr, Grzarg and Gr Ozair.

And from News24:

40 Iraqi Children Killed After Jihadist Attack — UN

Baghdad — Forty children from northern Iraq’s Yazidi minority are reported to have died as a result of a jihadist attack on the Sinjar region, the UN Children’s Fund (Unicef) said on Tuesday.

“According to official reports received by Unicef, these children from the Yazidi minority died as a direct consequence of violence, displacement and dehydration over the past two days,” a statement said.

On Sunday, fighters from the Islamic State (IS) jihadist group that controls much of northwestern Iraq took over Sinjar, which had been under the control of Kurdish troops.

The town, near the Syrian border, is a hub for Iraq’s Yazidis, a very closed community that follows an ancient faith rooted in Zoroastrianism and referred to by jihadists as “devil worshippers”.

Sinjar was also a temporary home for thousands of displaced people from other minorities, such as Shiite Turkmen who had fled the nearby city of Tal Afar when IS launched its offensive on 9 June.

The attack on Sinjar sent thousands of people running from their homes in panic, some of them scurrying into the mountains with no supplies.

“Families who fled the area are in immediate need of urgent assistance, including up to 25 000 children who are now stranded in mountains surrounding Sinjar and are in dire need of humanitarian aid, including drinking water and sanitation services,” Unicef said.

Pictures posted on the internet by members of the Yazidi community show little clusters of people gathering on the cave-dotted flanks of a craggy canyon in the Sinjar mountains.

From Sky News:

All Eyes on Gaza Amid Desert Hell in Nineveh

An ancient landscape that was once the envy, perhaps the centre, of the civilised world.

Now a desert hell for hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Nineveh faces a religious pogrom while the eyes of the outside world are fixed on Gaza.

In the past week the self-styled Islamic State, which captured Nineveh a few weeks ago from Iraq’s army, has attacked the heartland of the Yezidis.

This religious movement has roots that predate Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

Its community is a living tie to the global past of monotheism with a theological tradition that incorporates Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and paganism.

Now some 300,000 — the core population — are reported to be under pressure from the IS to leave their villages near Mosul or face death.

They have joined tens of thousands of Christians from Nineveh’s capital and surroundings who were given the choice to convert to Islam or die.

Finally, more background from NFSE:

Iraq’s Jihadis Have Vowed to Wipe Out the Yazidis. Who Are They?

The arrival of the self-styled “Islamic State” (IS) in the northern Iraqi town of Sinjar over the weekend sent the native religious minority fleeing. Yazidis, labeled by IS (formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, ISIS) “devil worshippers,” have a long history of persecution.

Forty Yazidi children were reported killed and reports of forced conversions and murders have now emerged. A Yazidi parliamentarian fleeing northern Iraq told the Washington Post, “In our history, we have suffered 72 massacres. We are worried Sinjar could be a 73rd.”

The Sinjar area, near the border with Syria, is strategically important for IS, just 50 miles from Mosul. The United Nations has said close to 200,000 have fled the area, calling it a “humanitarian tragedy.”

Who are the Yazidis?

Yazidis (sometimes spelled Yezidis), belong to an ethno-religious group which predates Islam and has roots in Zoroastrianism, an monotheistic religion that developed in ancient Persia around 1,500 BC. Yazidis have been described as a “Kurdish heterodox group,” meaning that they’re ethnic Kurds, but outside the mainstream of the community and culture.

Over time they have incorporated aspects of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism into their beliefs. Much of the faith remains shrouded in mystery, with outsiders not allowed to convert and believers not willing to share details of their rituals.

 

 

 

 

Martin Sherman shows that Israel is facing massive threats to its exostence

4international has pleasure in reproducing the latest article by Martin Sherman

 

4international introduction

 

The question is: why did the placing of Israel in 1948 in the Middle East create so much opposition from the Arabs. Then why did the whole world adopt the “Palestinians” after 1967 when all Israel did was fight a defensive war against Nasser and his Arab cronies. In order to develop a correct strategy today it is necessary to ponder on these questions. Many people have written about this and there are good answers, but where 4international is different is that it emphasises the role of leadership, especially on the issue of the great betrayals of Stalinism and Labourism, and the historical weakness of Trotskyism after the crimes of Stalin in the 1930s leading to the murder of Trotsky in 1940. It is this active issue of leadership that we think has not been dealt with and it is this active issue of leadership that also will transform the situation in the favor of Israel and the Jews. There will be much questioning and this article by Martin Sherman is an excellent analysis of this weakness of leadership, not lack of courage, but political leadership.

 

One answer is oil and the need for oil in keeping capitalism running. This may seem superficial and in one sense it is, but nevertheless oil made the capitalist governments AND THEIR MEDIA start to suck up to the Arabs in a way that has never happened before.

 

The second deeper reason is the 2000 year old persecution of the Jews because the Christians and Muslims spread the lie that the Jews killed Jesus. This was a nonsense myth when you realise the historical figure of Jesus did not exist except for a dubious single paragraph in Josephus. But the belief exists and we defend religious belief, but this Christian Antisemitism is a big factor today, still.

 

The third reason totally neglected is the role of Stalinism on the international left movement

 

Additional to that but separate is the way in which no alternative to challenge Stalinism was able to get off the ground following the murder of Leon Trotsky in 1940. The Stalinists came out of the war with a big if not huge following in the left.

 

It must also be noted that all of these American Presidents including Reagan and Bush paid into this Palestinian myth, itself Antisemitic, but obviously Obama is a man who is very sympathetic to Islam. The myth is well covered int he book Phantom Nation.

 

This whole historical rigmarole has created and is today creating huge problems for Jews and Israel

(begin Martin Sherman’s latest article)

INTO THE FRAY: Israel’s Left: Ludicrous, loathsome and lethal  

By Martin Sherman, JPOST

idf withdraws from gaza

Thy destroyers and thy demolishers shall emerge from within thee. – Isaiah 49:17

One cannot be both a Zionist and a Leftist. – Anton Shammas, Israeli-born Arab poet

Against the wishes of much – indeed, according to one recent poll, over 85% – of the public, the government has agreed to a cease-fire in Gaza.

The wages of war

As the dust of war begins to subside, it is far easier to see what Israel did not achieve in the four weeks of bloody fighting, than what it did.

True, Israel inflicted immensely more damage on Gaza than it suffered. However, despite this, opinion polls show that more Israelis believe that Israel did not win the war than believe it did. Continue reading

NETANYAHU MUST BE REMOVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE HE IS ALLOWING HAMAS TO WIN

 

The war with Hamas is already lost but this has nothing to do with the strength of Hamas but with the weakness of the Netanyahu leadership. Israel is not defeated or destroyed by this war but unless sharp lessons are learned and quickly then Israel will in the long run be defeated. Netanyahu is being supported by over 60 per cent approval but what does that mean? The reality lies outside of the knowledge of most Israelis.

 

What Netanyahu might have done:

 

  1. Declared that the aim of the war was to destroy Hamas completely
  2. Make as the number one aim of the war the arrest of the Hamas leaders and placing them on trial as war criminals
  3. Gaza is tiny! The Israeli army is powerful and totally equipped for any such war. Netanyahu could have in the first 3 days drove a wedge into Gaza to take possession of the area under which the Hamas leaders are hiding. Empty that area. Demolish every building in that area.

But Netanyahu did the opposite to all of this. He made it known through various media flunkies that it is better to keep Hamas in existence. Their arguments were sheer cowardice in action. He never mentioned the arrest of these war criminals which as the war went on and Abbas showed his hand included the PA as well as Hamas. Finally the army under Netanyahu did nothing substantial that would challenge the Hamas war criminals. Netanyahu was not fighting a war against Hamas at all because he does not understand the critical relationship between war and time.

 

Bibi should have been gone before this war started. He should have been out of Israeli politics for good when he sat on the fence as Sharon mobilised his Stalinist, Judaism hating pólice, aided by many Rabbis by the way, to empty Gaza of Jews and handed it over to the enemy. THAT was the time but it is still not too late to remove him.

 

RICHARD LANDES SUMS UP THE LETHAL NARRATIVE STRATEGY OF ANTISEMITISM

On his blog http://www.theaugeanstables.com Richard Landes has summed up the Hamas strategy. I want to record it simply because it is the truth:

 

Hamas’ strategy works like this:

  1. Cyclically attack your enemy’s civilians in such as way as to provoke a violent retaliation.
  2. Hide behind civilians (neighborhoods, schools, hospitals) so that the retaliation does your civilians the maximal damage.
  3. Produce an industry of lethal narratives portraying Israel as ruthless murderers of civilians (a projection of Hamas tactics and desires).
  4. Have these lethal narratives circulated by journalists as news, so that international opinion rises up against Israel.
  5. Survive until that international outrage forces the Israelis to pull back and save you.
  6. Repeat, with each reiteration making Israel weaker on the military battlefield and more isolated in the global community.

Given how merciless and self-destructive this strategy, it has proven surprisingly effective. As Jeremy Bowen explains, each round is a race in time between the moments the Israelis strike (back) and the time an incensed international community intervenes decisively to stop the “humanitarian crisis.”