There is no way to minimise the present danger to Israel

It is absolutely vital that this present Netanyahu government is brought down without any delay.


If not done now Judea will go the way of Gush Katif thanks to betrayal of Jews by Netanyahu and his appointee Livni now talking with Antisemites


a Gush Katif beach

surrendered by Jewish traitors


There is not the slightest doubt that if Bennett and if Likud (especially Feiglin) wanted to do this they could bring this Netanyahu traitorous government down this very morning.


Every day that the Netanyahu Government stays in power is a day further that the Netanyahu person/agent  Livni continues talking under the guidance of Kerry WITH NAZIS, the Nazis being the descendants of Hajj Amin el Husseini in Fatah.


Jews are split on this…hopelessly split which means a new leadership must emerge.


On the Israpundit website the valiant blogger Ted Belman has led the way. He states in the clearest terms that Netanyahu and Kerry plan to pull every Jew out of Judea. But he has opposition on his blog from a person calling himself Yamit82


Yamit82 is opposing my call to bring this government down.


Then in the next day he is saying that that is a lie even though he stated clearly Keep Bennett in the Government


How to combat such lies? Such subterfuge?


A first step is surely an alliance between Likud, Feiglin and Bennet for them all to withdraw from the Government and fight for a new election, and then fight that election on an entirely pro-Jewish agenda, which means Israel is for the Jews and only for the Jews.


Jews in Israel must not be molested by Antisemitism. That is our Trotskyist position.



Netanyahu calls on the world to pressure the PA to recognize Israel as a Jewish state

Which is another way of affirming that he is ready to accept the Kerry Framework which is based on ’67 lines plus swaps and the uprooting of 150,000 Jews.

He should be focussed on rejecting the Kerry Framework.

Its crystal clear that he intends accepting it with or without meaningless reservations. And he wouldn’t accept it without the support of  Lieberman and Yaalon.

Today, PM: Without recognition, there will be no peace deal

Ted you are so right on this. I have suggested that all pressure should come on to Naftali Bennett, and also what role can Feiglin play in this in mobilising Likud to expel Netanyahu. I say forcé a general election asap to fight it on this very issue, to raise this issue in front of the great American people.  But Yamit on this very site just yesterday has disagreed with me by saying that such a campaign could lead to worse. Strange coming from a person who has no love for Netanyahu.

I cannot see how a general election campaign fought on these issues can lose.

I do not surrender my individual views but I would join with anybody on the basis of such a campaign

You have in the above hit the nail on the head. This business of the Arabs accepting Israel etc, that is rubbish because they can make a statement one day and deny it the next as they have done innumerable times. But as you say it is worse tan rubbish, it is the cover for Netanyahu pulling the Jews out of Judea.

Netanyahu sees that as doable. There is no lengths that he will not go to.

The key for all of these tyrants as it was in Kosovo is that NATO will be the forcé. Abbas said it yesterday too.

In their mind is…do the deal, introduce NATO, leave Jews as sitting ducks on the basis that NATO will protect them. Then follows the ethnic cleansing as happened when the KLA moved in BEHIND NATO, literally behind NATO and the UN to ethnicly cleanse Kosovo of Serbs Gypsies and Jews

THAT Ted is what they have in mind

Yamit is wrong. Every minute this government coalition stands is a moment deeper into peril for all of Israel.

This is a terrible retreat made yesterday by Yamit. I just cannot understand what he said to me. After campaigning so long against Netanyahu now at the crucial momento he supports keeping him in power. I have been surprised by many things on Israpundit but that surprises me more than anything ever in the past.

YAALON AS DEFENCE CHIEF WILL MAKE ENEMIES PAY WHO ATTACK JEWS IN ISRAEL has a vital analysis of the new Israeli Government starting today March 18, 2013. This analysis centres on 4 vital areas, almost 4 vital Ministries:


1. Ehud Barak’s successor as defense minister, commando and former chief of staff Moshe Yaalon: He has won a chance, which any professional soldier must envy, to remold the Israeli Defense Forces into a national army better suited to the exigencies of the first half of the 21st century and the wars of the future.
In line with his vision, he would scrap the present structure of corps, divisions, brigades and battalions in favor of an army based on compact fighting units – mostly of special forces – each capable of acting autonomously and independent of other forces.
If Yaalon gets his way, the massive ground forces and heavy theater tanks corps will be relegated to the past. The air force and navy, with their long range missiles, submarines and fast assault ships, will no longer be structured as professional corps but revamped as forces taxed with guarding Israel’s vital strategic depth by sea and air.
However, Defense Minister Yaalon may not get the time, money or trained manpower he needs for his program, given the rapid changes overtaking the Middle East and the advances Iran is making in the pursuit of a nuclear weapon.
For US President Barack Obama, when he comes to Israel for a visit Wednesday, March 20, Yaalon’s selection as defense minister is not altogether bad news, despite his pessimism about any dealing with the Palestinians: As Strategic Affairs Minister in the previous Netanyahu government, he insisted that it was essential for any Israeli attack on Iran to have the full cooperation of the United States.
2. The former TV anchor Yair Lapid (Yesh Atid – Future) has made his political debut with a leap to the top government echelon as finance minister and carved out plum spots for his previously unknown faction members, who are as untried in government as himself.
They campaigned vigorously for military service for all, including the ultra-Orthodox and Israeli Arabs, and benefits for the middle class.

Now he must sit down to the forbidding task of drafting the next state budget at top speed. Netanyahu jokes about heading a provisional administration, whereas Lapid speaks seriously of the government lasting eighteen months to two years at most before it falls and an early election which dumps the prime minister of today and installs him in his place.
This calculus presents the Yesh Atid leader with a dilemma: He could try designing a popular budget, but then Netanyahu would reap the same benefits as himself in the coming election. On the other hand, he might decide to prove he is a statesman and compose a responsibly balanced budget, incorporating essential spending cuts and painful measures for the very classes he pledged to promote.

But then, he would be a fool to face the voter precipitately.
His political fortunes in the foreseeable future are therefore tied to those of the prime minister he aspires to displace, like it or not.

3. Former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, came in from the political cold to join the government as Justice Minister claiming that all she really wanted was to promote and lead peace talks with the Palestinians. This mission is likely to prove elusive. Not a single Palestinian official of any rank is willing to talk to her. She would also have to overcome obstacles placed in her path by many of her new colleagues in cabinet. Such as he next new minister.

4. Naftali Bennett, a software tycoon, was able to revive the fortunes of the veteran National Religious Party and repackage it as the pro-settlement Habayit Hayehudi (the Jewish Home). For the horse trading with Netanyahu, he formed an alliance with Lapid and came away with a fistful of high-wire jobs: minister of industry, trade and labor, he is also tabbed to head the cabinet committees charged with finding ways and means of reducing the cost of living and breaking up the concentration of economic power, and even has also won a coveted place on the inner security cabinet now pared down from 15 to 7 members.
What Bennett has clearly demonstrated is that he wants a finger in every pie


So, a completely new army and approach under Moshe Yaalon. I think that this can have the most extraordinary influence on events. Yaalon will meet also extraordinary opposition from a bureaucracy.

The days for massing reserves a la Barak and then not following through may be over.

Yaalon may be entering a situation where the Israelis will not allow even ONE rocket from the enemy Palestinian Arabs fall on Israelis. That is the meaning of the autonomopusly acting special units that Debka is suggesting and the end to the British inspired battalions and all that crap which the Israelis under Barak were full of.

It is also the case in relation to the other 3 Ministries that Netanyahu gave very little to Obama and the EU Antisemites…he talked and talked…but gave no concessions. That is his style, not one I like, but better than sellout.

As for Livni…that is still the weakness of netanyahu. he is saying to the BBc, yes you can carry on interviewing Livni interminably and passing the Big Lie. The BBC will keep representing Livni as representing the majority, while she only is followed by 5 per cent of the Israeli population.

But stopping Antisemitism, just as stopping Hitler and Fascism was, is a task that only the revolutionary aims of the socialist revolution can solve. And here the left Stalinists and Revisionists must be smashed and replaced by a true Trotskyist leadership.






This is the political DNA of Yesh Atid, and as such it is incompatible with that of Bayit Yehudi – despite the alleged like-mindedness said to prevail between the parties on other issues.

Thus, while Bayit Yehudi issued a very upbeat announcement Thursday, declaring complete consensus and coordination with Yesh Atid, I would be highly skeptical as to whether such consensus/coordination extends to the cardinal issue at the center of the respective DNAs of the parties: The issue of Palestinian statehood.

This seems to confirm my central thesis on the other thread.

There is a mountain between Bennett and Lapid.

Meaning…the people who voted for Bennett voted for a man who stood for the fight against the Jihad against Israel, specifically the Palestine Arab State issue and how to halt that in its tracks. (Very simply those for the Palestine State are for the Jihad, both the Jihad against Israel and the Jihad in general.

The article above is masterly in showing that many who voted for Lapid were people in Israel without any firm foundations, for example, he refers very specifically above to people voting against all politics, that is nihilism, or last minute voters, that are swung into action by latest tv reports. These are the chaff of political life.

The strength of the Bennett vote remains and may increase, as it is certain to me anyway that Obama will get together with Abbas and Hamas to actually INSTAL Hamas.

Thus the fear and hatred of Lapid will grow, and the position of Bennett will be stronger.

People here can counter oh but Bennett is this and that, he did this and that. I KNOW THAT. You may know it better than me because you may simply be better informed.

But my fundamental point is unchanged…it is the movement of the key people behind Bennett’s new party that is all important.

The conditions for a great advance in Jewish consciousness is there. All is needed is the independent revolutionary party.

Here I have not yet touched on the need for the arming of the Jewish people and for the complete overhaul of the IDF so that the IDF is answerable not to careerist bureaucrats but the Jewish people


There is a lengthy discussion on Israpundit on Powers and “Responsibility to Protect”. These Jewish leaders in the Diaspora are in total crisis because they do not know how to fight against the phenomenon of the “Arab Spring” which is at the same time the fight against Fascism, and indeed the alliance of the capitalist powers with Islam is the making of the modern Fascist Movement.

In this context the word that is never mentioned by Ted belman, Pamela Geller, Spencer and others is Marxism or Trotskyism. Rather than the truth they try to muddy the waters on Leon Trotsky and his defence of the Jews and the Israel in the making.

I wrote the following in a comment (url below) and please understand that if you do not defend the disreputable Assad against this Fascism of “Responsibility to Protect” then you do not defend the Jews and Israel either.


{This is the comment}

Let us get one thing crystal clear. If anybody thinks that Romney as a Republican President would not support “responsibility to protect” then please think on, and keep on thinking.

Heck even the editor of Israpundit Ted Belman backed up a bloodthirsty call of a noted Jewish American organization on this very site to bomb the living bejasus out of Gadhafi. It is true that Ted pulled back from this but it is on record that I immediately attacked this position, which is also not only the death-knell of sovereign states as under Gadhafi but also is the end of the road for the Jewish state of Israel.

Israel and its present leaders, which includes also the total leadership in the Diaspora (the leadership of the Jews has many differing strands, being traditionally a broad church, which is good and bad actually), and includes people like Ted and Gerry Gordan plus a thousand others, are sitting ducks. This is the result of political cowardice, of deep bias against new perspectives rooted in Judaism and in the conservatism of Judaism, which historically this conservatism has its good and bad aspects.

From the beginning of the crisis in Yugoslavia I recognized that THAT was “responsibility to protect” and I fought for the independence of the Serb people to fight to hold together their unified state of Yugoslavia, while people like Gerry Gordon did not lift a finger to defend Yugoslavia, but rationalised its break-up.

Ted was shaky on this at the beginning but a chap called Bill from Canada, a lawyer, disgraced Jews forever by sitting on the fence, while Yamit82 disgraced the memory of Yamit 1982 by launching the most vicious slanders against the Serbs, culled from disreputes like Hoare.

Came to Egypt Yamit82 and others found every reason under the sun NOT TO defend Mubarak from the Muslim Brotherhood and US Imperialism cum EU cum UN cum NATO.

Ben Ali was no different, Gaghbo no different, Gadhafi no different, and now Assad.

Funny that! Not talking about THAT, eh!

There is no point at all in moaning about Power and “responsibility to protect” if you do not actively defend Assad against just this very same thing.

The thing about Ted, the “weaselie” yamit82, Gordon, Mr Barry Rubin and a thousand other Jews, (I say Jews but remember that each and every one of these speaks only for themselves) is that they can always find the words to be utterly hypocritical.

So the opposition to Obama/Powers on Syria fell to the Stalinists of China and Russia and that is an unstable foundation, because the Stalinists are reactionary to the core. They always end up supporting Imperialism because Stalinism is a creation of Imperialism, and are not Marxists, are in opposition to Marxism.

Ayers was a creation of the CIA and Jared Israel has detailed how he and his girl friend split a promising student movement in the 60s which was seeking to link the students with the American workers.

So please do not refer to Ayers as a Marxist unless you are either intellectually challenged or wilfully dishonest.

Same applies also to our friend Obama. Obama a Marxist ha ha ha!

All the evidence points to the murky hand of the CIA behind Obama also. Do not forget that the CIA protected Eichmann in South America until the Jews busted the CIA post 45 racket and caught that piece of filth.

And just remember that if you cannot defend Assad from Annan then you had best shut up about this “responsibility to protect”, and when the NATO descends on the Jews in Israel as they did on the Christians in Kosovo keep your hypocritical mouths firmly shut there also.

You have to be consistent to be believed.


By Felix Quigley

December 1, 2009

Netanyahu from the standpoint of the security of Israel is not the worst leader that Israel has had. In fact he may be one of the best.

The problem is that the external situation that Israel finds itself within has changed enormously and is now very challenging. In the face of this situation a new type of leader is needed. It is not really the fault of Netanyahu as an individual person

Hence we say that we give our support, the support of our organization, 4international, to Netanyahu and his government in the face of hostile attacks especially from Britain and the US.

And remember that the Bosnian experience showed us most clearly that these 2 powerful states and their hierarchic leadership are tied in with Islam, in that in Bosnia they allied with the well known Nazi war criminal Izetbegovic, hid his past hid his extreme Nazi Muslim views, and created an alliance between them all against the Serb Christians of Yugoslavia, to eventually wipe Yugoslavia off the map.

So remember whether Ahmadinejad did use those exact words, he and his cohorts in Iran and the Muslim world have made plenty of such statements against Israel.

And one country, Yugoslavia, has indeed been “wiped off the map”.

That could in all rationality also happen to Israel. Happen once it can happen again. At the very least it must be admitted that that reality is in the mix

So once again we defend Netanyahu, just as we defended Milosevic and now defend Karaditz, against the combined forces of Islam and capital imperialism. But we note that such a leadership as represented by Netanyahu is inadequate to meet such powerful despotic forces.

In our previous article on the Goldstone Report we noted that the response of the Israeli Government was late and weak.

That the Goldstone Report was actually a crude plot created by the Tyrant Led UN in order to deligitimize the IDF, the main body defending Israel.

That this was especially timed to block the IDF from acting on its own, which it necessarily has to do, because Obama is on the side of Iran, in order to defang the Iran Nuclear Bomb programme and direct threat to the existence of Israel.

That by now many good and patriotic Israelis are at this moment prisoners in their own country. For example they cannot travel for a holiday or a professional conference in a country such as England or France.

That the Arabs in the area of Judea and Samaria misnamed the “West Bank”, have joined in with this attack on Israel.

That Israel over recent months has been lifting road block mechanisms in order to allow these Arab anti-Semites to travel from there to Israeli cities, where they can do expensive shopping and engage in expensive night clubs etc.

While Israel still collects millions in order to send there to Abbas and on then to Gaza. Is that all not incredible!

Meanwhile there are 2 years in which Arabs have killed in cold blood thousands of Israeli people of all ages.

And as we rightly pointed out, this Goldman Report was in the pipeline for a year and more. Why did the ISRAELI Government not make up a report of its own on those murders, send it to the UN, send it to every newspaper in the world, hold meetings in every country, have its embassies link up with organizations like 4international who are allies of Israel to hold public meetings etc!

Why not indeed! The answer to that is very interesting and important.

Israel is not at all alone but we need to build an organization to show this.

The people of Switzerland just yesterday, the vote is out as I write this, have struck a huge blow against the Iranian Mullahs, and against their US, British and BBC backers. They have voted basically to outlaw the building of Islam Imperialist mosques which are at the very centre of Jihad

It was not on the ballot paper. But it could just as well have been. The good conservative people of Switzerland are in alliance with Israel against the Muslim so called “Palestinian” Arabs. And they also are allies of the Serbs and especially of Radovan Karadzic in their struggle against the Islamists, backed by the US and EU dhimmis, in his struggle in the Hague Kangaroo Court.

It is vital that the Trotskyist party be built!


by Felix Quigley


9 September, 2009

On the anniversary of 9-11 I chose to refer to a potential far greater tragedy which is contained in Iran building a nuclear bomb to use against millions of Jews, another Holocaust.

This is what this site at the moment is all about.

As trotskyists I feel it is right to focus. This is what leon Trotsky did in the years and months leading up to Hitler taking state power in 1933, Trotsky advocating the use of the Red Army which he had built to attack the German Nazis.

I think this short comment by Robert Spencer is correct:


Iran might step up efforts to develop nukes

Iran works toward a nuke, while in Washington they wring their hands. “U.S. Says Iran Could Expedite Nuclear Bomb,” by David E. Sanger for the New York Times, September 9 (thanks to Dan):

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded in recent months that Iran has created enough nuclear fuel to make a rapid, if risky, sprint for a nuclear weapon. But new intelligence reports delivered to the White House say that the country has deliberately stopped short of the critical last steps to make a bomb.In the first public acknowledgment of the intelligence findings, the American ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency declared on Wednesday that Iran now had what he called a “possible breakout capacity” if it decided to enrich its stockpile of uranium, converting it to bomb-grade material.

The statement by the ambassador, Glyn Davies, was intended to put pressure on American allies to move toward far more severe sanctions against Iran this month, perhaps including a cutoff of gasoline to the country, if it failed to take up President Obama’s invitation for serious negotiations. But it could also complicate the administration’s efforts to persuade an increasingly impatient Israeli government to give diplomacy more time to work, and hold off from a military strike against Iran’s facilities..


Posted by Robert at September 10, 2009


Allow me to add this comment which appeared below above from Hugh Fitzgerald, whom I also admire


Eight years have passed since the attack that should have set many to school, to learn something about Islam. Distractions, false moves, messianic sentimentalism, ignorance that is so persistent it must often be willful and the result of fear of what might be found out and have to then be dealt with, the pieties of the age about “diversity” and “tolerance” that give rise to a diseased sympathy, procrastination, unwillingness to believe the evidence, fear of action, inertia, inability to admit to policy mistakes, especially if those mistakes have been colossal in their cost (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the entire effort to push Israel back which merely whets, not sates, appetites), and of course, the perennial favorite, whistling in the dark, whereby instead of Halford Mackinder, or John Quincy Adams, we look for inspiration to Elmo Tanner. And the result is, indeed, heartaches.


I remember in the days after 9-11 Adams of Sinn Fein was attacking America. He had to change position rapidly on 9-11 when the New York firemen with those so Irish names had their families becoming very angry with the likes of opportunists like Adams…FQ


by Felix Quigley

September 10, 2009


Iran “closer to a dangerous

and destabilizing possible

breakout capacity”

Obama has taken a decision that he will allow Iran to possess nuclear Bombs. This is because he is a Jew hater essentially.


There are other reasons. Such as that the Us wants total control of the world. And it does this through an alliance with iran, with Islam, and with the Islam supporting Chavez an othe antisemites in South America.


But essentially because Obama deep in his psyche is a hater of Israel, and deeper down still is a hater of Jews.


Note, it is not just Obama. There are very many in the US ruling class who also hate Israel.


But essentially it is because world capitalism is in terminal decline and crisis. As the crisis grows only an alliance with extreme fascist forces will do for the US ruling capitalists in order to survive.


What happens in America when the next lot of mortgage holders, the ones who were not a bad bet 2 years ago, begin to hand in the keys to the banks.


Will the US spend even more and print more money to throw into the banks.


Those are the same conditions as 1929, the conditions of a turn to fascist forces.


And it is because of its alliance with Islamofascism that the US turns to an alliance with Iran in order to destroy israel.


If Israel is faced with an iranian fascist Nuclear bomb situation how many bright Jewish Israeli scientists etc would remain there? Not many if they are sensible.


With every day the truth of this becomes clearer



Iran is close

to producing its first

nuclear bomb – US diplomat


September 9, 2009, 4:53 PM (GMT+02:00)

The US chief envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Glyn Davis, said Wednesday, Sept. 9 that ongoing enrichment activity is moving Iran “closer to a dangerous and destabilizing possible breakout capacity.” Davis spoke of “serious concerns” in Washington that Iran is now either very near or already has enough low-enriched uranium to produce one nuclear weapon. This could happen if Iran made a decision to further enrich the material to weapons grade.

Monday, IAEA chief Mohammed ElBaradei said his watchdog agency was locked in a stalemate with Iran and urged Tehran to “substantively re-engage” with the Vienna-based organization to prove there are no military dimensions to its nuclear program.

(From yesterdays DEBKAfile)


by Felix Quigley

September 10, 2009


Let us go over the issues once more as regards the Iranian Fascists and Holocaust Deniers armed with a Nuclear Bomb

Earlier this month Debka analysed it like this



Barack Obama has been in the White House for nine months and Binyamin Netanyahu in the Israeli prime minister’s office six months. Both have spent precious time batting the numbers of settlement apartments to and fro instead of taking resolute steps to thwart Iran’s spectacular advances on the road to a nuclear weapon. DEBKAfile‘s military and intelligence sources note that Tehran has made good use of this time for the longest strides towards its objective than at any time since its program was surreptitiously launched.


The progress confirmed by our sources consists of four major steps:



1. Iran has succeeded in secretly combining uranium processing, airborne high-explosive tests and work on designing a missile cone to fit a nuclear warhead, according to Western intelligence updates.

2. The conflicting reports on the amount of uranium enriched and number of fast centrifuge machines in operation obscure the following hard facts: The Iranians have doubled the number of ever faster centrifuges that are working at their enrichment plants.

They are moreover completing tests on a more advanced homemade centrifuge, the IR4, which will halve the time taken for converting low-grade enrichment uranium into weapons-grade material.

3. By February 2010 – and some say sooner – Tehran will have stocked enough high-grade enriched uranium for two nuclear bombs.

4. Iran has also gone into home production of nuclear fuel rods for plutonium.










Barack Obama’ repeatedly held up his plan to engage Tehran in dialogue – first until the June 12 presidential election (hoping a more rational president would replace Mahmoud Ahmedinejad); then, until the popular unrest following the disputed poll died down (for fear of being accused of interfering); and finally on the assumption that the turmoil would divide and weaken the Islamic regime and make it easier to engage constructively.

The six world powers, US, Russia, China, France, the UK and Germany accordingly gave Iran until Sept. 15 to start talks.

It turned out that these delays, instead of weakening Iran’s rulers, hardened their position.


Reacting to the new intelligence presented to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iran’s delegate Ali Asghar Soltanieh said Friday, Sept. 4: “The government of the United States has not handed over the original documents to the agency since it does not in fact have any authenticated documents and all it has are forged document”

An anonymous US official in Vienna said Soltanieh’s accusations were baseless and the IAEA itself “had accepted the material as credible.”

But by then, the Iranian delegate had come up with a new self-serving initiative: a proposal for the agency’s board of governors to ban member states from attacking the nuclear facilities of other nations.

Then on Saturday, Sept 5, Soltanieh, made it clear that Tehran was virtually scrapping the Western powers incentives offer which has been gathering dust since last year as the basis for talks and was about to put forward its own “comprehensive package on issues, including nuclear and economic cooperation as well as concerns about the proliferation of atomic weapons.”








1. The US wants to destroy Israel and a first step in this is to disarm Israel


2. And their strategy in doing this is now very clear.


The US is using Iran to demand of Israel that it give up its nuclear arms, which are a vital defence of the Jews against antisemitism an another Holocaust.

The US does not want to have Israel as an independent state any more. The US essentially wants to rule the world alone.


You will see more and more of this strategy in the US media (also the European Media) over coming weeks


It is a false strategy, and antisemitic strategy and it will be literally “exploded” by the Israeli state and people.


Becasue Israel whether it likes to or not HAS NO ALTERNATIVE but to strike against Iranian bomb in the very next weeks, at most months.


This will indeed change everything!



The Palestine state issue will be a minor point then!

The settlements will be a minor point also then!


by Felix Quigley

September 8, 2009


Israel must strike Iran with everything and Israel must protect tiself against this Iranian Nuclear Bomb.


We Trotskyists on 4international have a proud history and we stand behind Israel unconditionally.


Those who do not do so and are not on this issue totally exlicit are traitors to socialism


The time to act is now.


This means a total break from the forces of American Imperialism.


Reactionary Jewish leaders like Ted Belman of Israpundit must come out in the open and declare a break from US Imperialist politicians like Joseph Lieberman who backed the Islamofascist Izetbegovic in Bosnia.


We issue a challenge to Belman and his crony friend Jerry Gordon


State your position now precisely


1. What is the present position of Lieberman


2. What is your position towards Lieberman



Otherwise all of your crowing against Obama is empty rhetoric IS IT NOT???


As before we quote re the serious nature of the issue of the Iranian bomb from Debka


The second Israeli cabinet-level discussion in the last few days on the Iranian threat – nuclear and regional – took place Monday, Sept. 7, in the inner cabinet, on the heels of a recent security cabinet meeting which surveyed Israel military and homeland security preparations for a missile attack from four sources, Iran, Syria, the Lebanese Hizballah and the Palestinian Hamas in Gaza.


The Monday meeting was held behind closed doors but DEBKAfile‘s military sources report that speakers underscored the rapid tempo of the developing Iranian threat. Prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu went on to pay an extended visit to Mossad headquarters for talks with its chief Meir Dagan and other officers.


Monday, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said he was willing to discuss “global challenges” with US president Barack Obama but repeated his government’s standing refusal to negotiate his country’s “inalienable nuclear rights.” This put the lid on the US president’s policy of dialogue with Tehran on its nuclear program and rendered the European engagement initiative pointless.


Monday, too, the head of the UN’s nuclear watchdog, Mohamed ElBaradei, said talks with the Islamic republic were at a “stalemate. He delivered a bleak account of Iran’s nuclear compliance to a board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna.


Yet tougher UN sanctions are a diminishing prospect in the light of Russian and Chinese objections.


Saturday, Sept. 5, DEBKAfile reported the growing concern in security circles over the failure of the US, Israel and other international parties to put the brakes on Iran’s fast-paced advance toward a nuclear weapon although Obama had been in office for nine months and Netanyahu sat down in the prime minister’s office all of six months ago. Tehran seized this inaction for the biggest leap forward since its hidden nuclear program was launched.


by Felix Quigley

September 5, 2009

We on 4international are quite unique in our political position towards Netanyahu. We know and understand some of the political differences we have with “Bibi” but we insist on the Trotskyist and socialist principle that Netanyahu must be defended WITHOUT CONDITIONS againstt he Israel hating Obama and his team of Israel haters and antisemites.


A report in Israel National News bears out our position


Suffering a severe drop in support on his health reform plan, the war in Afghanistan and the issue of torture of prisoners, President Obama is anxious for a breakthrough in the stalled Middle East peace process.


Yes, that about sums up the position of this antisemitic President of the US. His house of cards is collapsing around his ears. All those phonies on the Media who bummed him up in that US election are now in total crisis.

But hey there are always the Jews!



The Jews as ever are being used by Obama to provide a cover to the bankrupt policies of US Imperialism.


Read the following carefully and ask are we not right to defend Netanyahu unconditionally.

President Obama and Israel have sharply differed over whether the issue of building for Jews is a significant issue for an agreement between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. However, the Obama’s administration’s insistence on backing the PA demand for a building freeze has made it a de facto condition for the resumption of talks, which the U.S. has been trying to engineer.

Suffering a severe drop in support on his health reform plan, the war in Afghanistan and the issue of torture of prisoners, President Obama is anxious for a breakthrough in the stalled Middle East peace process.

Although there apparently will not be any formal invitation, a trilateral meeting is being arranged between President Obama, Prime Minister Netanyahu and PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas when they attend the opening of the United Nations General Assembly later this month.

“President Obama will chair it, and I think that at least there is a chance that they will decide they are going to reopen negotiations,” President Shimon Peres told Fox News Monday.

Smith wrote that the U.S. may agree to allow Israel to complete construction that already is underway but will refuse to agree to a thaw in the building freeze if negotiations sputter. President Obama also is demanding that Prime Minister Netanyahu agree to end demolitions of illegally-built houses in eastern Jerusalem, Smith said.

“The Israelis have asked for us to let them finish existing construction,” a U.S. official told Smith. “We’ve made clear that we need some commitments on evictions and demolitions in Jerusalem.”

Even if talks resume, they only will be the resumption of a long and drawn-out process, said Aaron David Miller, a former American peace negotiator and a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars. “This is going to be like a thousand days of root canals, every day, because it’s going to be excruciatingly painful to move this forward,” he stated.


There are vital issues behind all of this


1. Israel is forced to attack Iran in order to stop Iran getting a Nuclear Bomb

2. The US Government wants Iran to have the Bomb regardless of the dangers and damage to Jews, to other Arabs, to Europe and to American people

3. The US is putting intense pressure on Netanyahu and on Israel as the US lines up with Islamofascists in Iran and in Arab countries.



America is a very powerful country and we insist it is lined up with Islamofascism.


We may have differences with Netanyahu, how could it be otherwise, but we as revolutionary socialists are on the side of Israel and of Netanyahu against the Obama antisemitic machine.

The great thing that has happened since Netanyahu has taken power. The vast majority of the Israeli people are now firmly againstt he American Government of Obama.


This is a priceless asset. It is due partly to the opposition of Netanyahu to Obama on a whole number of issues.

The Israeli people are now becoming a highly politicized people and are beginning to think for themselves on a whole nuimber of vital issues.


Such as:




If we withdraw from Judea and Samaria as Obama and Blair want what is to stop Hamas taking over and repeating the Hamas attacks as on Sderot etc



What about the Iranian Bomb? Will we Israel be forced to attack Iran? Then what?



If Obama is so against Israel, is so Islamist, is so much in support of Ahmadinejad and the Arabs, if the EU is against us, what are we the Jews in this tiny country to do?



By Felix Quigley

September 5, 2009

This is a very interesting piece by Theo van Gogh from back in 2004. Is is about a day in his short life which had as intrusion the very same Islamist group in Holland which is this very moment in the news as it publishes an antisemitic cartoon denying the Holocaust.


Of course they (the Arab Union league) say they are not, just an act of rebellion sems to be their line.


However in El Pais newspaper today the aim of the cartoon could not be clearer.


What Theo wrote back in 2004

That was a big deal, last week on Saturday evening in the Amsterdam State Theater.The room erupted after I had called Mr. Dyab Aboe Jah Jah Allah’s chief propagandist for Belgium, a “Pimp of the Prophet”.

The gentleman stood up followed by his posse of pansies in black, who acted as thugs to intimidate the unbelievers. Because I am the epitome of harmony, I called out after Dyab, “Allah knows best!” “Allah knows best”!

After which Mr. Dittrich, (a liberal democrat), stood up and declared that I was an “insolent prick”, and in reply I described him as the “holy unction oil of the liberals”.

In short, the ‘ Happy Chaos’ event had proved to be an enjoyable evening.

Outside, journalist Youri Albrecht attempted to cajole the insulted pimp back to the podium. In the meantime, Mr. Dittrich explained in front of the cameras that he was “in complete solidarity” with the honored guest from Belgium.

A young man with a low forehead with a deep wrinkle which made it hard to discern between Allah and Ground Zero attempted to have Albrecht arrested for assault by two passing policemen.

This was a good foretaste of what we can expect if Mr. Aboe Jah Jah suceeds using democratic means to implement the Shari’a, (Islamic law) . In the meantime his body guards announced, “We’ll finish that pig off”, and, “We’re not taking it any longer from that pig”, which I suspect was in reference to me.

The pig is a kind and intelligent animal and is a lot smarter then the idiots with which Aboe Jah Jah surrounds himself. I took their aversion as a compliment. Mr. Aboe Jah Jah is a religious facist who propagates an apartheid a as virulent as that other “Belgian Misreant”, Mr. Filip de Winter, head of the the nationalist “Flemish Blok’ .Too bad the discussion didn’t continue.

I would have asked Boris if he found Dyab attractive and then would have asked Dyab from which floor he would have thrown Boris as a sodomite. (Being thrown from a window as punishment for homosexuality stipulated in the book ,”The Way of the Muslim” which is the subject of a parlimentary debate regarding it’s being banned in Holland )

And what’s even worse is that Dyab is much too cowardly as the prisoner of his own admirers to hit back with words.

Doesn’ t Allah always provide inspiration ?

Mr. Dittrich was one of the politicians who drank champagne after the Pim Fortuin problem was solved . It was certainly instructive to see how he licked Abu Jah’s Jah’s behind. Let’s hope that this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

MIM Note :Pim Fortuyn was a flamboyant Dutch politician who campaigned against the Islamisation of Europe and was assassinated by a Dutch ‘animal rights activist’ before the national election.

The tail wagging in front of the boot of the one who is going to kick him appears to be what Mr. Dittrich understands as dialouge. Dittrich is not interested in the fact that Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as democratically chosen representative, still has to be guarded 24 hours a day from types such as Aboe Jah Jah, who publicly declared that she should “shut her mouth”, and needed to be “locked up”. Dittrich’s understanding for and need to kow tow to the pimps and fanatics of Hamas, and according to me they are a small minority , is partly responsible for the escalating climate of intimidation.

Hundreds of people who were present in the audience that evening expressed their support ,a few showed that with some friends one needs no enemies, others surprised me, and I heard time and time again, ” Be careful !”

Dittrich’s performance was a tasteless Judas kiss from a politician who has a lot of ambition but little talent.

It was very instructive to see the new National Socialists at work.

A stooge. A lackey . An enemy of democracy. Let us reward him with the compassion befitting collaborators.


MIM:The Dutch word “gedogen” (tolerance) is the concept of ” since we can’t beat them we have to let them join us” . Until recently it was considered “racist” to expect foreigners to assimilate .The Islamists expect the Dutch to change their society to accomodate them . This attitude has become the main factor in the Islamisation of Europe. 


Theo van Gogh

Theo van Gogh in 2004
Born Theodoor van Gogh
23 July 1957(1957-07-23)
The Hague, Netherlands
Died 2 November 2004 (aged 47)
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Cause of death Murdered
Occupation Film director, Film producer, Columnist, Author, Actor
Known for Submission
Religious beliefs Atheist
Children Liewe (born 1992)




By Felix Quigley

September 5, 2009

At the end of her concert on Tel Aviv Madonna draped herself in the Israeli flag. We salute Madonna. Good on her, we say. That is the way to go.


The Arabs are livid. But this just shows what an anti Jew and antisemitic crowd they are.


This was Israel! What other flag would Madonna wrap herself in…Timbuktoo!!!!


Just as much as anything else little incidents like this betray to the world the antisemitism that Israel is facing day in and day out.


The report on the concert tells a strange story of Jew hatred from the Arabs and that the Jewish religious cannot see the wood for the trees.


Arabs are livid at pop singer Madonna for wrapping herself with an Israeli flag at the end of her concert in Tel Aviv Wednesday night. 

A Youtube video of the moment, posted by a fan, has engendered what is likely to become a major Internet controversy after the aging star, still one of the top pop singers in the world, closed out her second show Wednesday night by draping herself in an Israeli flag onstage.


One antisemitic creep who happens to live in Gaza, must be an Islamist because there are no Jews left stanfding in Gaza!

“Why do you not wrap yourself in a Palestinian flag, if you really stand for peace?,” wrote one viewer of the video who said she was from Gaza, echoing the often less delicate comments of others who condemned the singer for not only performing in Israel, but also for holding the Jewish State’s flag. Madonna also called Israel “the energy center of the world.”


Actually Madonna in Israel raises all of the issues



Before her arrival, leftist (BUT NOT SOCIALIST…ED) and anti-Israel groups appealed to the singer to skip the Israeli leg of her tour, while Israeli leftists urged locals to boycott the concerts. Tel Aviv University Prof. Rachel Giora, a member of an international group that demanded Madonna call off the shows, said last week that a performance in Israel “would imply that Israel is behaving in an acceptable manner, and would be interpreted by Israelis as moral support for the illegal and inhumane policies, described by many as war crimes and crimes against humanity.”



Oh and my goodness, read what this idiot Rabbi has to say!!! That Madonna is dangerous!!!



Ah but Rabbi how can the human body in all its glory be dangerous or how can sex be dangerous!!!



Only in your demented world view can it be dangerous!!!



I really wish these rabbis would just grow up and try to understand the real dangers facing Jews today, from Obama and Islam!

Reactions to the flag affair appeared on other websites as well, with one writer on the British Sky News site saying that an underdressed Madonna scampered about on stage “waving the Holy Land’s flag. Why did Israel ever said yes to her performing there? She really is a disgrace to womankind and motherhood because she exploits both.”

Meanwhile, religious Israelis and others from around the world continued to express their dismay at the singer’s performances. In an interview with Arutz 7, Rabbi Uzi Binenfeld of Orot Etzion Midrasha at Givat Washington College said that the performances were “dangerous, something which is connected to addiction. This adulation is actually an escape from reality, it is a psychological way to get more than what you have, something more exciting.

“It is clear to me that we did not see the same youths who were at Kfar Maimon [to try and prevent the Disengagement in 2005 – ed.],” he added. 



Ah, let us unpack that!!!


It is just simply wonderful that Madonna wrapped herself in the Israeli flag, even if she was not wearing a stitch underneath the flag.


What better piece of material could there be to adorn that beautiful body!!!


Typical of these stunted religious groups to object to that of all things. Are they prudes or something! What is their problem with the human body?


I would expect a parish priest in a back of beyond parish to come out with such prudery. But the religion of the Jewish people! Grow up boys!!!



by Felix Quigley

September 5, 2009


Defense Minster Barak has vowed several times to destroy Jewish homes in 23 hilltop communities that have been termed “illegal.” Barak has stated in defending his decision, “In a law-abiding country, we cannot allow a situation in which everyone does whatever he wants.”


The above is the political position of Israeli Defence Minister Barak. Barak is a Labourist, cannot really by any stretch of the imagination be called a socialist. He belongs to the same political stable as say Tony Blair or Gordon Brown.


You can also immediately see that Barak is a traitor to the Jewish people of Israel because while Barak refuses to allow Jews to build houses illegally in Judea and Samaria, he does allow Arabs to build houuses illegally in Judea and Samaria!

when a Jew is found to have built a structure in Area C without approval, the structure is demolished almost immediately. However, when a PA Arab builds illegally in the same area, any subsequent demolition order is protested with help from anti-Zionist groups, and a lengthy court case commences.


It often takes years until illegal Arab homes are finally destroyed, while in the meantime, the builders benefit from having broken the law by living rent-free on Israeli land…



What does all of this mean?


Well essentially that the Barak wing of the Government of Israel has swallowed the antisemitic propaganda that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Arabs and that it does not belong to the Jewish people.


It is this point that has to be fought.


Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Golan and present day Israel … all of this belongs to the Jewish people as their Homeland.


The question of Jordan is separate and indeed Jordan was robbed from the Jewish Homeland by Britain. That issue is not over. A reckoning will have to be made of that issue before there can be peace in the Middle east.


For Islam there can be peace, but a peace of the dead, when Israel is no more.


Those who spout on about peace should keep that firmly in mind.


Hitler in his antisemitic and demented brain wanted some kind of peace also, but a peace created by the murder of every Jew on the planet.






If this is illegal building, what difference does it make [if it is Arab or Jewish]?


August 31, 2009

Frontpage Magazine did an interview with Kenneth Levin. It is remarkable because it gives a clear insight into the way that the US Government is now embarked on the most anti Israel campaign ever. It has done this often in the past but never with such open hostility to the Jewish state. It is also working on totally illegal grounds but more on that later. The headings in brackets are mine…FQ


The anti-semites, the Palestinians and Islamists can be counted on to call Israel a Nazi nation or Israelis Nazis, when in fact it is they who are filled with racist hatreds of Jews and exemplify in their words and deeds Nazi ideology in that regard.

at Harvard Medical School, a Princeton-trained historian, and a commentator on Israeli politics. He is the author of The Oslo Syndrome: Delusions of a People Under Siege.

FP: Kenneth Levin, welcome back to Frontpage Interview.

I would like to talk to you today about how and why Israelis, many of whom previously invited American pressure on their government, have responded in so unified a way — and so negatively — to the pressure from Obama.


But first, let’s set the stage a bit with the Obama administration’s disposition toward Israel.


A recent piece in the Washington Post noted that the only country in the world with which the U.S. has worse relations since Obama took office is Israel.


Why do you think this is?


[Israeli people beginning to hate the US Government]

(headings like this are by me…FQ)


Levin: The Post was referring to a recent poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project which found that, of 25 countries surveyed, only in Israel was the public image of the United States worsening.


Obama picked fight with Israel over “settlements”

The Post editorial attributes this to President Obama’s having picked a very public fight with Israel over building in settlements. He has also rejected understandings concerning the parameters of construction within settlements that had been in place under former American administrations and were defined more explicitly with the Bush Administration.


In addition, Obama has made no comparable demands on the Palestinians, even though the so-called Roadmap, advanced by the Quartet of the U.S., Russia, the UN and the EU and supposedly embraced by Obama, requires steps by the PA “at the outset.” These include security measures aimed particularly at ending all anti-Israel terrorism and dismantling terrorist infrastructures and independent militias; institution-building intended to establish a “strong parliamentary democracy “; and an end to anti-Israel incitement.


FP: And the Palestinians have done what with these required steps?


[Abbas and Hamas continue to promote terror]


Levin: There has, of course, been virtually no movement by the Palestinians on any of these steps. On the contrary, Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah, as well as Hamas, continues to promote anti-Israel terror and to praise terrorist “martyrs.” It also continues to employ its media, mosques and schools to attack Israel’s legitimacy and call for its destruction. Indeed, Abbas himself has refused to endorse Israel’s legitimacy, demands a Palestinian “right of return” that would transform Israel into yet another Arab-dominated state in the region, and continues to honor those who died attacking Israeli civilians.


Not only has the Administration not put any public pressure on the PA to meet its Roadmap obligations, but President Abbas has demonstrated he feels under no pressure to do so. While in Washington for meetings with President Obama and Administration officials, he stated that he intends to take no steps toward accommodation but will essentially wait for what he expects will be Obama’s “delivering” Israel.


FP: Why has Obama taken this path of abandoning prior Israeli-American understandings and engaged in a high-profile attack on Israeli policy while making no corresponding demands of the Palestinian side?


[Obama reaches out to Islamofascism]

Levin: The President has clearly given a high priority to reaching out to the Muslim world and particularly to the Arab states and Iran. Publicly pressuring Israel is consistent with that priority. Of course, his outreach is most focused on appeasing those Muslims hostile to America, and this inexorably involves some abandonment of those who are well-disposed to America but are also targets of that hostility, including, ironically, many Muslims.


For example, President Obama initially refused to criticize the Iranian regime for its brutal response to popular demonstrations against the apparently fraudulent “election” of Ahmadinejad to a second term as Iranian president. Obama was more concerned with reaching out to Ahmadinejad. Only after being shamed into changing his stance did the President begin to offer some criticism of Iranian actions against anti-government demonstrators. It is very likely that if the Pew poll were extended to Iran, the Iranian people would also voice diminishing esteem for the United States.


[Obama supports Sudan’s genocida in Darfur]

Similarly, while Obama the candidate promised to give high priority to ending Sudan’s genocidal policies against the people of Darfur, Obama the President has focused on ingratiating himself with Sudan’s allies and has done nothing to alleviate the suffering in Darfur. Even some Obama advocates have publicly condemned his reneging on his pre-election promises vis-à-vis Darfur. Democratic operative and columnist Kirsten Powers published a piece on the issue entitled “‘Bam’s Darfur Sins.” In contrast, President Bush led the way in drawing the world’s attention to Sudan’s murderous policies in Darfur and labeling it a genocide. It’s fair to guess that if the Pew poll were conducted in Darfur, there, too, it would find a decrease in people’s estimation of the United States.


[Those close to Obama have rabid anti Israel views]

As has been noted by many observers, President Obama has long been close to people harboring and promoting rabidly anti-Israel views, including – to name but a few – Rashid Khalidi, Reverend Wright, and Samantha Power. He’s appointed Power to a position on the National Security Council. It is not entirely surprising that he has demonstrated a willingness to initiate a public confrontation with Israel and to abandon U.S.-Israel agreements forged by previous administrations as he seeks to appease America’s – and Israel’s – enemies in the Muslim world. Nor have other steps by Obama favoring the positions of those dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state been very surprising.


FP: Some examples?


[Obama hides Arabs turning to Hitler and German Nazism]

Levin: Take a look at elements of Obama’s speech to the Muslim world in Cairo, where he suggested that Israel’s founding was a response to the Holocaust and failed to note the Jews’ more than 3,000-year connection with their ancestral homeland. He likewise said nothing of the fact that the modern international endorsement of recreation of the Jewish state dates to the post-World War I establishment of numerous national homelands as part of the breaking up of pre-war empires, including Arab homelands; or the fact that the Arabs allied themselves to European fascists in the 1930’s and used the rise of Nazism to stymie the creation of the Jewish state. Obama essentially parroted Arab claims that, in Israel’s creation, the Arabs were being forced to pay a price for European crimes.


[Obama is playing down the Holocaust]

Also in his Cairo speech, Obama implicitly equated the Holocaust to Palestinian Arab displacement in the context of the war the Arabs initiated to destroy the nascent Jewish state – a morally obscene comparison.


FP: Ok., so let’s narrow in on the Israelis’ reaction. Give us some insight into how Israelis are resisting the bullying coming from Obama.


Levin: If we’re talking about the general Israeli response, the polls are most significant as a measure of the change in Israeli opinion over the last decade and rejection of Obama’s pressure.


[Obama freezes all construction. He decides what is a “settlement”]

President Obama has demanded a total freeze on all construction in whatever his Administration chooses to characterize as a “settlement.” He has not only reneged on former Israel-U.S. agreements on the parameters of continued construction, particularly agreements reached between President Bush and Prime Minister Sharon, but has also lumped together all communities beyond the pre-1967 armistice line – unauthorized outposts, isolated settlements and major settlement blocs – as “illegitimate.” He has indicated a rejection of President Bush’s formally declared support for Israel’s retention of large settlement blocs and does not appear to share the recognition by a number of former presidents of Israel’s need for defensible borders.


[Obama opposes all Jewish settlement. Obama likes Judenfrei]

The Smith Research poll in June that showed only 6% of Israelis viewing Obama as pro-Israel also showed 69% opposing a construction freeze in major settlement blocs. The poll demonstrated Israelis clearly making distinctions between, for example, unauthorized outposts and settlement blocs, that Obama has refused to make.


The Obama administration’s subsequent highly publicized attacks on the eviction of some Arab families from Jewish-owned homes in east Jerusalem after they had stopped paying rent – evictions pursuant to a court order and not even involving the Netanyahu government – only broadened Israeli distrust of Obama. So too did the Administration’s complaints about Jewish housing units being built in a Jewish-owned building in the Sheikh Jarrah section of Jerusalem.


[Netanyahu answers Obama with utterly reasonable demands]

Prime Minister Netanyahu, in his much anticipated speech at Bar Ilan University on June 14, elaborated a policy of insisting upon defensible borders for Israel, recognition of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, a united Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty, and opposition to a Palestinian so-called “right of return.”


Netanyahu declared that, should the Palestinian Authority establish stable civil institutions and the rule of law, undertake, finally, to fight terror and end anti-Israel incitement – essentially the steps demanded of the Palestinians “at the outset” in the Roadmap – he was prepared to pursue a peace treaty. He offered to support a Palestinian state provided it is demilitarized, it is genuinely committed to peace with Israel, and the conditions under which it is established – including its demilitarization – are guaranteed by the international community.


According to a Haaretz-sponsored poll, 71% of Israelis supported the speech. This support spanned most of Israel’s political spectrum. For example, in the wake of the speech, 49% of those polled who had voted in the last election for Kadima – now the main opposition party – favored Kadima joining Netanyahu’s coalition.


66% of Israelis supporting military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities]

On another matter, a May poll co-sponsored by the Anti-Defamation League and the Begin-Sadat Center showed 66% of Israelis supporting military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Of these, 75% said they would support such action even if the U.S. opposed it.


None of this discounts the great weight Israelis generally, including the present government, give to a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship and to the importance of Israel’s working to promote and sustain that relationship. Polls of Israeli opinion leave no doubt on these points.


[…even if that means resisting pressures coming from an American administration]

But the polls also demonstrate a more clear-sighted vision among Israelis of Israel’s strategic circumstances and vital national interests, and wide support for the government’s defending those interests even if that means resisting pressures coming from an American administration. The consensus is now against taking potentially suicidal steps to please others, including the Obama administration. The great majority of Israelis are not prepared to see Israel play Czechoslovakia to Obama’s Neville Chamberlain.


Of course, this popular sentiment strengthens the government in its dealing with the Obama Administration. It allows it to make some concessions to reach compromises with the Administration but also provides support for the government’s standing firm on issues of existential import. This is true with regard both to measures toward reaching agreements with the Palestinians and the wider Arab world and to a strategy for addressing the Iranian nuclear threat.


FP: Illuminate for us why so many Israelis have responded in this way.


Levin: The explanation lies largely in the evolution in Israeli political thinking over the past decade and the dramatic shift from the perspectives embraced by at least half the nation a decade earlier.


In the early 1990’s large numbers of Israelis, worn down psychologically by the persistent Arab siege – the Arab refusal to recognize Israel and ongoing determination to destroy the Jewish state – chose to look away from such unpleasant realities and instead embrace delusions of Israeli control over the nation’s predicament vis-à-vis its neighbors. They embraced the delusion, despite all the evidence against it, that Arab hatred was actually due to past Israeli missteps and fault and that if Israel would only make sufficient amends, especially retreat to the pre-1967 armistice lines, then Arab hostility would be assuaged and peace would ensue. They insisted that Israel would then not need to concern itself with defensible borders as, in the context of peace, there would be nothing to defend against.


They rushed en masse to endorse the Oslo agreements and embrace arch-terrorist Yasser Arafat and his cadres as their “peace partners.” On the September, 1993, evening after the signing of the initial Oslo accords on the White House lawn, Arafat declared in a broadcast to his Palestinian constituents and to the wider Arab world that they should understand Oslo as the first step in implementing the PLO’s 1974 plan. This was a reference to the “plan of phases,” which called for taking whatever land could be gained by negotiations and using that territory as a base for pursuing Israel’s annihilation. But Israel’s Oslo enthusiasts ignored Arafat’s speech and celebrated the outbreak of “peace.”


In the ensuing months, and more particularly after Arafat’s arrival in the territories, Israel suffered the worst level of terror attacks it had ever endured. Arafat openly praised those responsible for the terror. The Palestinian Authority used its media, mosques and schools to declare Israel’s existence illegitimate, teach Palestinian children they must devote themselves to the nation’s destruction, and prepare the entire Palestinian population for incessant war against Israel. Still, half of Israel ignored all this and continued to focus its gaze on its rosy delusions.


FP: The turning point?


[Oslo enthusiasts in large numbers began to free themselves from their erstwhile delusions]

Levin: It was only in 2000, when Arafat and his associates rejected Israel’s dramatic concessions at Camp David, rejected as well President Clinton’s bridging proposals, refused to offer any counter-proposals and instead launched their terror war against Israel, that Oslo enthusiasts in large numbers began to free themselves from their erstwhile delusions. The numbers of the disabused grew as the terror war increased in viciousness, claiming more victims on buses, in restaurants, in markets and outside schools.


[majority of Israelis understand they have no "peace partner]

Still more abandoned their delusions when Israel unilaterally evacuated all its citizens and soldiers from Gaza and got in return intensified rocket and mortar attacks onto Israeli towns and villages near the Gaza border.


Today, the great majority of Israelis understand they have no “peace partner.” They understand the agenda of Hamas, which explicitly declares in its charter, in its media, in its mosques, in its schools, its dedication not only to the annihilation of Israel but to the murder of all Jews, and daily seeks to translate its words into acts. They understand that so-called “moderate” Mahmoud Abbas, while talking at times of peace, makes clear to his own people and to those in the West who will listen that he and his Fatah movement will likewise not reconcile themselves to Israel’s existence. Rather, they will refuse to recognize the legitimacy of Jewish self-determination and a Jewish state, will continue to insist on a “right of return” intended to overwhelm Israel and render it part of yet another Arab entity, will continue to praise murderers of Jews as heroes to be emulated, and will continue to educate Palestinian children on their obligation to dedicate themselves to Israel’s destruction.


[numbers have been reduced to a relatively small minority]

There are, of course, still many Israelis who cling to their Oslo era delusions, people who still insist that sufficient Israeli concessions will somehow transform the Middle East. But their numbers have been reduced to a relatively small minority.


It is this that accounts for the overwhelmingly negative Israeli response to Obama’s abandonment of previous American-Israeli agreements and heavy-handed public pressure on Israel for unilateral concessions, and to his distortions of historical realities about the Arab-Israeli conflict as reflected in his Cairo speech. This is why a recent poll of Israeli opinion revealed that only 6% of Israeli Jews regard the Obama Administration as pro-Israel, and the Pew poll revealed a worsening image of the U.S. among Israelis.


[Obama’s tack very much resembles the stance pursued by Israel when it embraced the delusions of Oslo]

That worsening image also reflects a reaction to Obama’s overarching tack of apologizing in foreign venues for America’s past policies and seeking to appease America’s enemies. Even aside from its direct relevance to the Arab-Israeli conflict or to the threat from Iran, this strategy can hardly comfort Israelis, the vast majority of whom regard a strong, confident United States as a vital, necessary force for good in the world. Moreover, Obama’s tack very much resembles the stance pursued by Israel when it embraced the delusions of Oslo, a stance which cost it so dearly and of which it has been so painfully disabused. Most Israelis today cannot respect, or trust, an American administration embracing similar delusions.



 [The great majority of Israelis are not prepared to see Israel play Czechoslovakia to Obama's Neville Chamberlain]


by Felix Quigley

August 27, 2009 

4international issues an open challenge to Moshe Feiglin [head of the Likud’s Manhigut Yehudit (Jewish Leadership) faction]



Feiglin is of course in many ways a very progressive Jewish man and leader. We specifically opposed Netanyahu in trying in the past election to bar Feiglin from participating fully.


Feiglin at the centre of his campaign inside Likud also calls for the revival of Jewishness and any progressive and revolutionary socialist who has the interest of the Jews at heart will support that totally.

After all we fight on 4international for Jews to create their Homeland in Israel and to have full rights to live there as THEY decide!


But this is still not a political strategy in the context of today’s complex world politics where fascist power and socialist power are being posed.






Basically Feiglin is confused and confusing.


Feiglin calls for the development of Jewishness. He is most progressive in this.


But then Feiglin claims that this development of Jewishness will create or will be a political strategy. It will not. Unfortunately the world is far more complex.


Really what Feiglin has to still do is to spell out his political programme for the Jewish people and for Israel and it is on this that he is weak and totally deficient. If you wish to put it stronger he is bankrupt.


There are many ways to approach Feiglin and to understanding his politics. But essentially in the end there is only way and that is to counterpose the revolutionary socialist programme to that Israeli bourgeois type politicians.


For that purpose this is a paragraph from out of a report ( on the meeting which Bogey Yaalon had with the Feiglin group when Bogey was on his tour of speaking engagements.


[start extract here]


At the meeting, Bogey spoke about how peace is impossible for now, since the other side has not recognized Israel as the national home of the Jewish people. What he seemed to miss, however, is that to Feiglin, this is completely irrelevant. Whether the other side is ready for peace, willing to make compromises or anything else, plays no role in Feiglin’s thought. “Peace is not my objective,” he replied to Bogey. He continued, “There is no country on the entire planet, except us, that has peace as its national objective. The minute that peace is your national objective, you lose it.” The Zionism of old doesn’t interest him either. “Zionism has reached the end of its road,” he says. “It is time for the next level – the one based on faith and the God of Israel. If we don’t build the second level, we will lose the whole thing.”

[end extract here]


Actually Feiglin you are dead wrong! Re Zionism we on 4international have in no way whatsoever reached the end of its road. In fact its true road is only at the beginning stage.


In any case in the historical cycle it is not that long since Herzl and Zionism has been in existence anyway for 3000 plus years.





Feiglin sounds dramatic but is confusing


He is right in parts, wrong on fundamentals.


Right that “Peace” is a meaningless bullshit word when the world is dominated by Imperialism and by anti-Semitism!


But he offers no real political strategy at all, much less a revolutionary socialist political strategy.


His aim is to keep Imperialism chugging along, just that Imperialism does not do “chugging along”. Imperialism is in crisis and the total Imperialist world scene is what is causing such death-traps for the Jews of Israel and the world.


Feiglin does not offer any political strategy, even discussion, to meet this. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH FEIGLIN!


No political strategy equals certain defeat!


Remember these words from the above paragraph of Feiglin>


“It is time for the next level – the one based on faith and the God of Israel. If we don’t build the second level, we will lose the whole thing.”



As the majority of Jews in Israel or in any Western country are tending towards atheism.


What then! ???


It is a political position of bankruptcy.


This is very different to what we on 4international say. Full freedom of religious expression! But no ramming of religion down anybody’s throat either!




Bogey Yaalon the former IDF chief of staff and now part of the Netanyahu Government has called the “Peace Now” camp in Israel a virus. We on 4international believe he is right and we join the call of Bogey Yaalon absolutely completely with all of our might and resources.


“Peace Now” is a reactionary anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist movement inside Israeli politics.


The true measure of “Peace Now” is that it links up with “peace woman” Mairead Maguire who was given the Nobel Peace prize by the ever reactionary Norwegians.






Maguire it was who linked up with the British Army of occupation in Ireland as part of the reactionary “Peace Movement” which led on to the horrific Good Friday Agreement of Clinton and Blair, which forced into power the totally reactionary Sinn Fein of Adams and McGuiness, a leadership in Sinn Fein which is riddled with actual British State paid agents.


So we know where Maguire comes from. And we know too where “peace Now” with its associations with the anti-Semitic Palestine Solidarity Campaign comes from!


Maguire can often be found on these boats which are used as anti-Semitic propaganda ploys against Israel over Gaza, always hiding that Israelis left Gaza, handed it over to Arab Palestinians, but the Arabs then used Gaza as a base for terrorist attacks on Jews. Quite simply Maguire stinks! Total liar!


In many ways Israel is a sick society. But its sickness does not come from Zionism, it comes from those who have given in to the pressure of the US State Department on Israeli society and created traitors out of Jews!.



Peace Now is one of the results of that US State Department pressure. Peace Now is riddled with all kinds of state agents, agents of the Palestine Solidarity anti-Semites etc.


Then there is a very small minority of Jewish people in Israel who hate their own Jewishness.


This again is not new and indeed how could it be new! For at least 2000 years Jews have been bombarded with the message that they are lesser than other humans.


Some of this had rubbed off, was bound to rub off. Result is the “Peace” Now crowd.


Always ready to link up with the anti-Semitic enemies of Israel and Jews.


No different really to those Kapos in the Holocaust era who gave their services to the Nazis against their own people.




By Felix Quigley

August 23, 2009



Is it possible that the present so called “Left” has been totally taken under the control of US Intelligence and the US state?


Recently we have the example of a Human Rights Watch leader who is exposed as a definite Israel and Jew hater.


This man Joe Stork (deputy director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division) is important because he has formed part of the anti Israel propaganda machine against Israel, which also includes people like the Irish Nobel Peace winner Mairead Maguire, also known as Mairead Corrigan.


We are all familiar with this form of extreme Israel and Jew hatred, their calls for boycott of Israeli produce in Ireland etc.


But one thing has gone unnoticed. That is that when Jewish organizations have criticized Stork then they have referred to Stork as a “Marxist”, an “extreme Marxist”, a “Marxist Revolutionary” and so on.


I think that US Intelligence has set up this situation in its broad outlines. I do not mean every exact detail is planned. That would fall into the realm of conspiracy. But every detail does not have to be so planned if the general outline is laid down


Anybody can see the US Intelligence machine achieving their aims here. Killing 2 birds with the one stone as it were.


  1. The American ruling class hate Jews, hate Israel and is obsessed with Israeli and Jewish power. So they have infiltrated the “Left” as anti-Semites
  2. Then when these “Left” anti-Semites do their dirty work they are labelled by the Media and also by ignorant Jewish people as “Marxists”


It is thus a classic piece of CIA strategic and tactical thinking. Investigate Philip Agee and you will see that this is not in any way fanciful. These are typical CIA programmes and here remember that the British Intelligence are not far behind the Americans, and the Germans also.



There are a number of questions about World War 2 which will not go away


  1. Hitler had wide support in Europe and America so long as he was fighting Bolshevism. He was opposed only on strategic territory issues.
  2. The British and the Americans had full knowledge of the Holocaust, as had the Vatican, and of the killing of the Jews. They knew everything about the death camps. They understood the railway system which made it possible. Yet although messengers from the Polish Underground sent messengers to urge them to bomb the railway lines (they actually flew over the lines daily!) they refused to do a thing


In all of this what then is the relevance of the Christopher Simpson book “Blowback” in understand the War and in understanding if US and British Intelligence worked to take over the “Left” as part of its anti-Semitic agenda and as part of its drive to negative the real Left


Next article in this series will ask:


What really changed in 1945? From Nazi rule to what?


The book referenced here:



America’s recruitment of Nazis,
and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy

by Christopher Simpson

Collier / Macmillan, 1988






The Swedish Foreign Ministry backs the Blood Libel



Sweden is an avowed enemy of Israel’s

By David Frankfurter

I am sure that you have been following the war of words between Sweden and Israel. A Swedish newspaper repeated rumor and innuendo that Israeli soldiers were harvesting organs from Palestinians. Sweden (which currently heads the EU) has refused to condemn this blood libel, confusing freedom of speech with hate speech. The Swedish Foreign Ministry even distanced itself from criticism of the article by its own Embassy staff in Israel.

Sweden is a major sponsor of antisemitic NGO’s

Friend, Gerald Steinberg argues that this is consistent with Sweden being a major sponsor of anti-Semitic NGOs which consistently defame Israel with lies, innuendo, propaganda and spin. Gerald expresses the hope that this furore will somehow teach the Swedes a lesson, and that they will stop this destructive funding.


Sweden and blood libel for over a decade

In March of 2004, I highlighted reports from Swedish newspapers that showed that Sweden had, from 1997 to 2004, deliberately and consistently classified as secret their own reports that their donations to Arafat’s Palestinian Authority were being diverted to corruption and the creation of a police state. Why? So that they could continue to knowingly channel billions of crowns to Palestinian corruption and violence. Also hidden from view of the Parliament was tens of millions in donations to the Palestinian Negotiations Support Unit. An organization which had stopped negotiating and had become a pure Palestinian propaganda agency. Swedish politicians were “shocked” – but the money kept flowing.

Later that same year, Lisa Abramowicz and I published an article highlighting the fact that the Swedish government was funding a conference in Gothenburg aimed at finding ways to fund Palestinian terrorism.

Sweden funding the propaganda and physical war against the Jews

For well over a decade, Sweden has deliberately and carefully looked for and found ways to secretly and openly fund the Palestinian propaganda and physical war against the Jews. And the Israeli government thinks that they can get the Swedes to change their ways with a bit of diplomatic pressure. They forget that the Swedes may live in a cold country, but they have proved that they can take the heat.


Conclusión: Frankfurter is right. These antisemitic traits are deeply ingrained incide the old countries of Europe which Either carried out the Holocaust or stood by and did nothing. Frankfurter knows that Israeli diplomatic effort will not stop antisemitism, a classic example being the heroic efforts of the Israeli ambassador to Ireland mailing to stop Irish antisemitism


by Felix Quigley

August 9, 2009

We believe that there must be a United Front created to stand with Jews, Serbs and many others against the US and EU Empire which are in alliance with Islamofascism.


Israel has no alternative but to strike against the Iranian Fascist Nuclear bomb and call on the Iranian people, especially the youth, for understanding and support.

A United Front means that there is unity against that comon enemy but inside the United Front there is freedom of discussion.


It seems that the issue centres on this


[begin quote here]

It was a packed audience at the Begin-Sadat Center in Bar Ilan University, and all eyes of the world were looking on. As reported, Netanyahu, not unlike many of his predecessors, agreed at least in principle to the creation of a Palestinian state. The conditions he laid out – recognition of Israel as a Jewish homeland and a demilitarized “Palestine” – though, are probably conditions that the Palestinians cannot and will not fulfill. The Palestinian people are controlled not by one, but by two terrorist organizations, which curse Zionism and deny Israel’s right to exist. In view of the Prime Minister’s words, one has to question whether this is something he understands.

During Netanyahu’s speech, regarding the subject of Israel’s peace partners and enemies, he contradicted himself in a major way. At one point, he stated, “I appeal to you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority. Let us begin peace negotiations immediately…” This, while towards the end of the speech, he strongly declared, “Israel will not sit at the negotiating table with terrorists who seek its destruction.”

The reason why the two statements contradict one another is because the organization Prime Minister Netanyahu is pursuing peace talks with, the Palestinian Authority (PA), is run by Fatah, a terrorist organization which “seeks” Israel’s “destruction” – precisely the type of group that he insists Israel will not sit with!

[end quote here]

 The article then goes into lots of detail about this very murky movement. Read it, study it, yourself.



It seems that the Fatah was supposed under Arafat to have changed its founding rules. But that was a bit of fakery. It has not.


The result is that Fatah is till calling for the destruction of Israel.


At times this is slightly covered by calling for the destruction of Zionist Israel.


These people in Fatah were trained in the Stalinist school of lies, actually they werre trained physically in Moscow.

The big lie of the times was that Zionism was Nazism etc.


But Zionism has always been Jewish nationalism, the nationalism of the Jewish people.


No different to Irish or any other nationalism.



The other thing about this Fatah is that on their websites and speeches they tend to have one version in English, one in Arabic. They are not the same!


This is the bind that Israeli elites are in. Reach an agreement with who, with a group which is out for your destruction

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