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OBAMA IN REALITY CALLED FOR THE DEATH TO MUBARAK AND WILL CONTINUE THIS ROAD

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THE FOLLOWING IS A PIECE FROM THE BBC SOME TIME AGO

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Mark Mardell Saturday, 12 February 2011

Barack Obama looked supremely happy making his speech on the exit of Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak. It was not just that he could complete the one he had started prematurely yesterday. It was not just that, despite all the brickbats that have been thrown at the White House for clumsy handling of this crisis, the administration has got exactly what it has wanted for a couple of weeks: the exit of Mr Mubarak, the entry of the military as caretakers, the promise of democracy, and the absence of violence.

It is more personal, and more political than that. Maybe it is the old community organiser in him, maybe it is the admiring, almost envious, student of the great civil rights leaders, but something tells me few things light him up more than seeing ordinary people overcoming obstacles to seize their own future.

This triumph allowed Mr Obama to revert to the visionary candidate of the campaign, as he did in Tucson after a tragedy.

When he talks about the “moral arc of the universe” you know he is in his element. This is what he is best at. Weaving a selection of facts into a simple story that builds into a grand moral narrative that speaks to his greater vision. He instantly cast the Egyptian revolution as part of a pattern.

“While the sights and sounds that we heard were entirely Egyptian, we can’t help but hear the echoes of history – echoes from Germans tearing down a wall, Indonesian students taking to the streets, Gandhi leading his people down the path of justice. As Martin Luther King said in celebrating the birth of a new nation in Ghana while trying to perfect his own, ‘There is something in the soul that cries out for freedom.’ Those were the cries that came from Tahrir Square, and the entire world has taken note.”

The leader of a country and a capital deeply split on vicious partisan lines could talk of people coming together, despite their differences, in one cause:

“We saw people of faith praying together and chanting – “Muslims, Christians, We are one.” And though we know that the strains between faiths still divide too many in this world and no single event will close that chasm immediately, these scenes remind us that we need not be defined by our differences. We can be defined by the common humanity that we share.”

The commander-in-chief of the most powerful military the world has ever known could talk of the power of non-violence:

“Egyptians have inspired us, and they’ve done so by putting the lie to the idea that justice is best gained through violence. For in Egypt, it was the moral force of non-violence – not terrorism, not mindless killing – but non-violence, moral force that bent the arc of history toward justice once more.”

This day of history brings many years of potential problems for this president and those beyond him. The army will probably embark on the sort of reforms people want, but that is not certain. In free and fair elections, the Egyptian people will not necessarily choose leaders who are friendly to the West or to Israel. Other Middle Eastern autocrats may not be delighted at the thought that Mr Obama might want to bend the moral arc of the universe in their direction.

But there is opportunity between these potential problems. Film stars can adopt foreign orphans, Mr Obama has adopted a foreign revolution, and with it a foreign policy narrative that allows him to restate his core manifesto of inspiration and unity…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/02/obama_adopts_egypts_revolution.html

(SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THE ABOVE ARE ALSO INTERESTING. THEY SHOW THE COLLISION BETWEEN THOSE WHO WERE SCEPTICAL AND THE RIGHT ON PRO-DEMOCRACY TYPES. BUT THE CARDS WERE STACKED AS THE POLLS SHOWED THE GREAT MAJORITY OF EGYPTIANS WANTED SHARIA…NOW THAT IS DEMOCRACY!!!)

WHEEL FORWARD TO TODAY AND THE SITUATION FACING OBAMA AND AMERICA IS WELL EXPOSED IN THIS EXTRACT FROM TODAY’S JIHADWATCH:

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To President Barack Obama:

Three years ago, I had the honour of meeting you in the White House as part of a delegation of some 50 human rights defenders from around the world. I was one of three rights defenders who were asked to speak during the 40 minutes out of the 90-minute meeting during which you and your advisors were present.

When it was my turn to address those gathered, I urged you to consider the gulf between the content of your speech to the Arab and Islamic worlds in Cairo in June 2009 and the reality of American policy in February 2010, noting that they seemed separated by much more than simply a few months. In Cairo, you promised to stand by peoples of the region and engage with them, but eight months later your administration’s policy was to turn its back on the people and work instead with local regimes. I discussed three examples of this: Palestine, Yemen and Egypt.

Jokingly, you noted that despite being a guest in the White House, I was audacious enough to criticise the president in his presence. I responded that the act required no courage at all in light of what happens when we try to criticise Arab presidents back home, at which the hall erupted in laughter.

After the Egyptian revolution, I met your commendable human rights advisor Samantha Power and told her it was time for a second Cairo speech. At the time, hopes were high that Egyptians would now be able to work to dramatically improve the human rights situation in the country, and that US policy would support Egyptians in achieving these aspirations.

Now, two years later, neither changes to the human rights situation nor to US policy have fulfilled our hopes. Egyptian young people continue to live in frustration due to the deteriorating economic situation and the repeated failure of political processes to represent their demands, despite the sacrifices that they have made for the sake of the revolution and transition to democracy. Young people taking to the streets to express this frustration continue to be met with violence.

In fact, while people often write their last wills in their 60s or 70s, Egyptian youth in their 20s — who would normally be planning their weddings — have been found carrying freshly penned wills while participating in protests. But these wills are not written to pass on material possessions to their relatives, as most of them own nothing of value and can only offer their lives and their aspirations to live a life of dignity in their own country. Rather, these wills dictate the details of their funerals: Which square will the procession proceed from? Which streets will it pass through? What chants should be heard?

Twenty-three-year-old Mohamed Hussein Al-Qarni, administrator of the “Brotherhood Are Liars” Facebook page, will not be the last of these youth to die. He was shot in the neck and chest on 1 February in a side street near the Ittihadiya Presidential Palace. Since December, the palace environs have witnessed the torture of demonstrators by members of the president’s party, the dragging and beating of protesters by security forces in scenes broadcast around the world, and assassinations. Two prominent cases are those of opposition journalist Mohamed Al-Husseini Abu Deif, who was shot in the head 12 December in front of the palace, and that of Amr Saad, 19, who was also shot in the head in front of the palace in the beginning of February. This violence has also been seen in Tahrir Square. On 20 November, 17-year-old Gaber “Jika” Salah, the administrator of the Together Against the Muslim Brothers Facebook page, was shot in the head with a shotgun. On 31 December, 20-year-old Mohannad Samir, a member of the 6 April Movement, was shot in the head with a shotgun and entered a coma for several days before it finally became clear that he would survive.

Rape, which is recognised internationally as a weapon of war, is now used in Egypt as a political weapon to deter opponents from gathering in Tahrir Square. According to multiple testimonies in recent weeks, the assaults differ radically from the forms of sexual harassment prevalent in Egypt in previous years. According to victims and video footage, female protesters are separated from the demonstrations, taken to other locations, and raped, in what appear to be organised, previously planned attacks. The faces of the assailants show no signs of emotion or sexual excitement. The objective appears to be to break the political will of the victims through profound degradation, whether they are raped, sexually mauled, or stripped entirely of their clothes — if they manage to escape the mob. In more than one case, a knife was used to penetrate the victims’ vaginas, and multiple women underwent hysterectomies after being assaulted. In this context, we can understand the attempted rape of a 70-year-old woman known for her political affiliation as well as the sexual assault of a number of men.

Mr President, when I spoke with you in 2010, I asked why the US administration condemns repressive practices in Iran while remaining silent when Arab regimes engage in the same violations. Over recent months, statements by your administration have similarly failed to address violations and have even blamed protesters and victims for violence committed in the context of demonstrations. Indeed, the stances of your administration have given political cover to the current authoritarian regime in Egypt and allowed it to fearlessly implement undemocratic policies and commit numerous acts of repression.

Statements that “Egypt is witnessing a genuine and broad-based process of democratisation” have covered over and indeed legitimised the undemocratic processes by which the Constituent Assembly passed the new constitution, an issue which has in turn led to greatly heightened instability in the country. Calls for “the opposition [to] remain non-violent” and for “the government and security forces [to] exercise self-restraint in the face of protester violence” have allowed the police and the current Egyptian administration to shirk their responsibilities to secure demonstrations and to respond to the demands of the Egyptian people, and have allowed them to place the blame for violence and instability on protesters themselves. Urging “the opposition [to] engage in a national dialogue without preconditions” undermines the ability of the opposition to play a real role in the decision-making processes of the country, as these “dialogues” seldom result in anything more concrete than a photo-op with the president.

Is it a coincidence that the statements issued by your administration reflect the same political rhetoric used by the new authoritarian regime in Egypt? But when these statements come from the world’s superpower — the one most able to have a positive or negative impact on policies in Egypt and the region, not to mention the biggest donor and material supporter of the Egyptian regime for the past 35 years — they become lethal ammunition, offering political protection to perpetrators of murder, torture, brutality and rape.

I do not write you today to ask you to condemn the repressive policies of the current regime, or to ask you to urge President Mohamed Morsi to “cease” using excessive force and violence against Egyptians, even as your administration was so eager to achieve a ceasefire with Hamas to stop hostilities in Gaza. I write you not to ask for troops to protect political protesters in Egypt, or to suspend, freeze, or reduce military or economic aid to my country, or even to impose conditions on that aid. My request is quite modest: that spokespeople and officials in your administration stop commenting on developments in Egypt. This will no doubt spare your administration much time and effort, but more importantly, it may spare more bloodshed in Egypt, as the current regime will no longer enjoy the political cover that the US administration now offers them. Certainly, Egypt has seen enough bloodshed over the last two years, and Egyptians are tired of being punished for their uprising.

When in December I met Michael Posner, assistant secretary of state for human rights and that rare person in your administration who is motivated by human rights concerns, I asked that he pass on this modest request to administration spokespeople: that as long as they cannot speak the truth about what is happening in Egypt, they keep silent.

Mr President, only a few days ago Egyptians celebrated the second anniversary of their revolution. Meanwhile, the regime commemorated the occasion differently: by re-enacting the scenes of violence and brutality seen during the 18 days of the 2011 uprising, adding the new phenomenon of gang rapes. In one week, more than 60 people died in several governorates, and there were dozens of reported gang rapes and assaults. Hundreds of people were arrested and an unknown number abducted. One of them — 23-year-old Mohamed Al-Guindi — reappeared a few days later in a hospital, brutally tortured, and soon died.

Mr President, I fear that the gulf I spoke to you about three years ago is fast filling up with blood. In this context, further American statements supporting the current Egyptian regime will only lead to more Egyptians being beaten, raped, tortured, and killed. Please, ask officials with your administration to stop talking about Egypt for a while, at least until we can bury our dead, comfort their grieving families, treat the victims of rape and torture, find the disappeared, and read the wills of a new generation of young people who plan not for their weddings but for their funerals.

The writer is director of the Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/1328/21/Open-letter-to-President-Obama.aspx

COMMENT ON THIS BY 4INTERNATIONAL:

TOO LATE!
The task of leadership is to be right before and during the event and not after.

I have to say that small as we were out of all the political tendencies in the world no less only 4international, yes this tiny website, took up a correct position on all of these events.

MILOSEVIC defence of against Clinton, the Hague and the Islamist Izetbegovic

BEN ALI IN TUNISIA defence of

GAGHBO defence of

MUAMMAR GADHAFI defence of

MUBARAK defence of

Our defence of all of these dictatorial type leaders AGAINST THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD was UNCONDITIONAL. It was based on the well known theory (once well known) that in no condition do you allow the Fascist parties and Leaders to take control of state power. Qaradawi, Morsi and such leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood are clearly Fascist, as indeed is Hamas and Fatah!

AHMADINEJAD SAYS IRAN IS NOW NUCLEAR AND HE SEEKS AN ALLIANCE WITH OBAMA/HAGEL

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SPEAKING AT THE OIC YESTERDAY AHMADINEJAD SHOWS TO ALL JEWS, ESPECIALLY JEWS IN ISRAEL, AND TO ALL FREEDOM LOVERS, JUST HOW DANGEROUS IS THIS Islamist IRAN. THE ANTISEMITIC LEFTISTS ARE SILENT AS THEY SUPPORT A NUCLEAR IRAN AND THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL, THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO BUILD 4INTERNATIONAL.

The claims were made by Ahmadinejad at the centre of the Jihad operation which is the OIC. Ahmadinejad KNOWS he is in an alliance with Obama,the Democratic Party and a good section of the Republicans as well, all of Europe (EVERY European Government) and backed up by the Antisemitic Left (Which includes all Labour Parties of Europe (an example being PSOE in Spain) and including Leftist Jewish Liars living in Israel such as Jeff Halpin.

This is a REAL alliance and it is directed against Jews and Israel.

The centre of this alliance are the constant calls for a Palestinian Arab state which will be the focus of armed attack on Israel. Ask who led the Palestinian Arabs from 1920 to 1950 aprox. and the answer is Hajj Amin el Husseini who with Hitler masterminded The Holocaust, and then the plan for the continuation of the Holocust was carried on by the close relative of Husseini (they share the same name) Yasser Arafat. Abbas ALSO is a Holocaust Denier. Hamas has in its Charter completely Nazi Genocidal calls for death to all Jews.

The centre of this alliance with Ahmadinejad are lies and the lies were showed clearly yesterday when the Minister in charge of “Justice” in Spain Gallardon said that Jews who could prove they were related to the Jews expelled by the Catholic Monarchs in 1492 could become citizens (of Spain). What a joke! What an insult! So Spain leads Europe in the Alliance with Ahmadinejad and yet insults Jews in this way. Are the Spanish playing this practical joke on Jews deliberately and consciously?

Also pay attention to Ahmadinejad’s reference to Assad and Syria. As we always warned as part of this alliance with Obama Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs will ditch Assad, the Alawites and Christians who support Assad.

(start statement from Ahmadinejad here)

Ahmadinejad is currently in Cairo at the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) summit with Hamas-CAIR’s Nihad Awad and the heads of 56 Muslim states and the Palestinian terror org.

Special Dispatch No. 5175: Iranian President Ahmadinejad In Interview With Editor Of Egyptian Daily ‘Al-Ahram’: Iran Has Become A Nuclear State MEMRI

Ahead of his historic visit to Cairo (February 5-6, 2013) to attend an Organization of the Islamic Conference summit, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave an interview to ‘Abd Al-Nasser Salama, editor of the Egyptian daily Al-Ahram. In the interview, which was conducted in Tehran, Ahmadinejad reiterated the positions of the Iranian regime on various issues, and stressed that Iran had become a nuclear state despite Western pressures aimed at stopping it from doing so. He also spoke about Iran-Egypt relations, saying that they were gradually developing. He stressed that cooperation between the two countries could be expanded in many areas, and that rapprochement between them would lead to a solution to the Palestinian problem and to other complex problems in the region. He emphasized that Iran had no intention of attacking “the Zionist entity,” and clarified that his country had high defense capabilities.

On the subject of Syria, Ahmadinejad said that he was very sorry about what was happening there, and expressed his opposition to foreign intervention. He said that the best solution for Syria would not be the establishment of a sectarian government, but rather a solution based on mutual understanding among the Syrian people. He called on all countries in the region to unite into an economic and political power in the international arena, and noted that within a few years, the balance of power in the world would shift and the U.S. would lose its hegemonic status and concentrate on its domestic affairs.

CAMP DAVID 2000 SHOWED CLEARLY THE JEWS WOULD ACCEPT ANYTHING FOR PEACE BUT THE ARABS ESSENTIALLY WANT GENOCIDE OF JEWS

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Fact
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to withdraw from 97 percent of the West Bank and 100 percent of the Gaza Strip. In addition, he agreed to dismantle 63 isolated settlements. In exchange for the 5 percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third.
Barak also made previously unthinkable concessions on Jerusalem, agreeing that Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places and have “religious sovereignty” over the Temple Mount.

These are facts. These facts cannot be negated. Yet within one year all of these facts were being questioned Edward Said style. There is a whole industry of lies that has sprung up among the Arabs and the leftist Antisemites who take their method from Stalin, especially Breznev Stalinism, and not from the noble tradition of socialism at all.

But let us first consider Barak, because if the Jews are to be saved then they will have to do so by their own struggle and in this every aspect of leadership is and will be key.

I want to consider Barak as a type in Israel and in the world of the Jews. Of course we can dismiss immediately that Barak is stupid, he is in fact quite a brilliant man with a very capable mind and personality, with great grasp of detail in planning and sometimes in conversation. He is at the top of Israeli society and none of these people are stupid. So what gives then with this persistent trend to set up your worst foes in positions of power.

The first thing that must be understood is a comment that Trotsky made in relation to the Jews returning to Palestine during interviews he gave to the press in the late 1930s. This was not an article, this was a sentence or two in the midst of an oral interview, and of course it went over the head of the interviewer, and has never been heard of since.

I personally have never forgotten it. Trotsky said that in our modern world (by this he means modern barbaric world where capitalism is in its death agony) that just by stating something does not bring success, just by being right does not mean winning. I am paraphrasing wildly here but the issue is that these questions are fought out in a material and physical way.

The literature on Camp David is quite extensive for the following reason connected to those thoughts on Trotsky. Barak, with the imput of Clinton I presume, did come to the table with a final offer. Barak was in a position of authority and if he had reached an agreement then the Israeli Government would have honoured it, carried it out. Barak was clearly proposing to Arafat to rid the “West bank” of Jews except for a few places “on the edges” with concentrations of Jews living. Plus…an extended Gaza, making up for that 10 per cent by giving the Palestine Arab state MORE land, some safeguards for the Jews for a while as planes reaching Israel had to fly over the West Bank. (I use here the Arab term which is a concession…just for clarity)

He did make the offer. Arafat did listen and then walked. Arafat and his chums made no counter offer. Not we like this part…how about this. He walked and within a short time the “Intifada” began. The Israelis, the Jews, were following closely and saw immediately what had happened. It was so obvious and so truthful in that the experience got to the essence of the problem. The Israelis did not have to sell anything as the Leftist Antisemites like halpin later claimed, it was all there out in the open. The issue was not really about making peace, about reaching a settlement at all. The issue was about power. Then after a pause the leftist Antisemites in union with these Arabs began to rewrite what had happened and the Edward Said school of falsification stepped in, which we will indeed look at, but not here because I am focussed on Barak.

The Jews are battered by Antisemitism for Millennia so will grasp at any glimpse of peace with the Arabs. This aspect while it is obviously true and as proposed by Kenneth Levin (I saw it first in Francisco Gil White) does not cut it for me. It is dangerous because it makes Jews out to be exceptional. We are all battered one way or another. It answers nothing. Jews like all of us have to break and make a fresh start. There is no programme of action in Levin, just waiting, reacting.

I am a great fan of the book by Alan Dershowitz called “The Case for Israel” published first in 2003 (not expensive and available on Amazon). This is quite strange because there is not one single conclusion that Dershowitz reaches that I can agree with in respect to action or perspectives. But it is the same paradox as is Barak, very capable people, reaching false conclusions re perspective.

Pages 45-47 are worth a lot of study. The structure is this. The Leftist Antisemite Chomsky, who despite appearances sometimes is always an agent of the US Establishment, has accused the Jews of Israel as being “rejectionist”, hence the title of the chapter in dershowitz that the Jews are anything but rejectionist, meaning that they have always been for the two state solution.

Here is the value of Dershowitz. To prove his false argument he brings up the most important historical material, in this occasion the Peel Commission of 1938.

The main aspect of the Peel Commission to bear down upon is that it was a response to the violence of the Arabs (initiated by the soon to be Nazi Hajj Amin el Husseini who would travel about 4 years later to be with the Nazis in the carrying out of the Holocaust)

As a response to this violence this British Commission proposed a partition which the Jews accepted, the Arabs rejected. To understand this you need to see the map of this partition. Jerusalem is internationalised and the Jews are thrown a few scrappy acres in the North.

The Jews would accept anything. The Arabs would oppose everything so long as the Jews were there. It is so clearly Antisemitism.

What is so alarming is that Chomsky just argues totally a lie. Yes, Alan Dershowitz shows precisely how Chomsky simply lies and lies. But back to Trotsky…that is still not a decisive thing. Good people can lose.

What is also alarming is the outstanding truths contained in the analysis of the Peel Commission about the situation but its obvious bias in conclusion (what Peel proposed) against the Jews. They are basically saying, you have so much right on your side, but hey it was them who started the violence so you lose anyway.

And this sets the pattern for so much to folow, even in our present world down to this present day. Like say Mubarak…you have been an opponent of Sharia but hey these folks against you are very violent in deed and thought, so you lose Mubarak. You bugger off. Ben Ali in Tunisia the same. Gadhafi the same but in spades since Gadhafi because of his agreement with Bush and Blair was actually aiding VERY ACTIVELY in the hunt for Al Qaida operatives. Cameron says to Gadhafi “Yes I know you aided Blair and hunted down Al Qaida but these folks in Benghazi are very violent so you bugger off too”. The same treatment to Assad and the reason that Assad does not just fade away as did Ben Ali is because not only has he learned that lesson but there are definite political forces backing him, the minority Alawites, the Christians, the Kurds, the Assyrians (anybody who is a minority and will get short shrift from the genocidal Muslims)

To return to Barak and Camp David. No he was not stupid. He understood the genocidal nature of the Arabs. He proposed the suicidal state on the doorstep of Tel Aviv not because he was stupid but because he was politically bankrupt, a different thing entirely. It is that political bankruptcy (not wilful treachery) that is so important to understand.

CAMP DAVID SHOWED THAT THE WESTERN WORLD WILL SACRIFICE ISRAEL TO JIHADISTS

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INTRODUCTION TO ARTICLE

WWW.4INTERNATIONAL.ME has always stood behind Israel and we have always said that the main intention of the Arabs was to destroy Israel. That is what the Antisemitic Leftists have been supporting, the destruction of Israel.

This article deals with how weak is the present Israeli Jewish leaders, not one leader, but them all…

The article points to the need for a qualitative different leadership.

START ARTICLE HERE

Myth and Fact: Arafat and Camp David
Mitchell G. Bard
http://www.JewishVirtualLibrary.org

Myth
“Yasser Arafat rejected Ehud Barak’s proposals at Camp David and the White House in 2000 because they did not offer the Palestinians a viable state. Palestine would have been denied water, control of its holy places, and would have been divided into cantons surrounded by Israelis. Israel would have also retained control of Jerusalem and denied refugees the right to return.”
Fact
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to withdraw from 97 percent of the West Bank and 100 percent of the Gaza Strip. In addition, he agreed to dismantle 63 isolated settlements. In exchange for the 5 percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third.
Barak also made previously unthinkable concessions on Jerusalem, agreeing that Arab neighbourhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places and have “religious sovereignty” over the Temple Mount.

Mitchell G. Bard states above what is true. These are facts and are definitely verifiable.

Their importance is that they show the Israeli leadership on their knees begging Arafat and the “Palestinians” for a deal, and this Jewish leadership were prepared to instal them in a state, making huge concessions on security. It would have meant the withdrawal of all Jews from Gaza, the extension of Gaza, having a Palestinian Arab state within spitting distance of ben Gurion airport, and other such nonsence. And it shows the Arabs spurning Israel, for what, really for a one state in which the Arabs would have the majority, which is the same formula which the Muslim Brotherhood has fought for in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and now Syria.

So there are two sides. One is the very faulty leadership on the Jewish siode. The other is the real intentions of the Arab Palestinians, who are always following the programme of genocide of the Jews, as laid down in the Hamas Charter, which is why it remains in place.

Here the link is created with the present, especially the present in Syria, where the same pattern as in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya is operational.

In all of these the West, including the BBC, is engaged on the side of these genocidal Arabs of the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaida.

The BBC anchor man this morning was calling the Mali Jihadists as “fighters” while their reporter on the spot kept calling them Islamists.

The so-called left as we know it today has surrendered to this.

DEFEND ISRAEL AGAINST THREAT FROM RUSSIA AND SYRIA

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MAJOR ESCALATION OF SYRIA WAR AS WAS INEVITABLE

ISRAEL IN HUGE DANGER

4international continually argued that Israeli leaders and all Jews had to defend Ben Ali, Mubarak, Gadhafi and many other leaders against Qaradawi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton had in effect become the leaders and promoters of the Muslim Brotherhood.

To take such a position of unconditional defence against the Muslim Brotherhood meant for Netanyahu to take up an open fight against the policies abroad of Obama, Clinton and the whole US Establishment in both Democratic and Republican. No hope of that happening. The Israel leaders as opposed to Israeli Jews are tied totally to capitalism and imperialism.

That is the tragedy of the Jews.

This applies to Syria and Assad in spades. We said defend Assad unconditionally but be prepared to strike against Assad or anybody who threatens Israel.

This analysis of the recent events completely hidden by BBC World Service over the past 24 hours is provided by http://www.debka.com

“Russia slams Israeli attack on Syria. US forces in Jordan on alert
DEBKAfile Special Report January 31, 2013, 9:51 AM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Israeli Air Force Syria Russia Middle East war buildup US Israeli Air Force F-15 Eagle takes offThe Syrian announcement of an Israeli air strike on a military site near Damascus Wednesday, Jan. 30, drew strong condemnation from Moscow the next day: “Such action if confirmed would amount to unacceptable military interference in the war-ravaged country,” said the statement issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry Thursday. “If this information is confirmed, then we are dealing with unprovoked attacks on targets on the territory of a sovereign country, which blatantly violate the UN Charter and is unacceptable, no matter the motives to justify it.”
Israel has made no comment on the Damascus statement which described in detail an Israeli air strike against a “military research institute” near the capital. Witnesses say it was a plant for manufacturing “unconventional weapons.” The facility was destroyed and two staff members killed.

Lebanese sources later reported a Russian Mig-31 fighter had crossed over Sinai Wednesday in the direction of Israel. It veered west over the Mediterranean after encountering an Israeli warning not to intrude into its air space and continued flying over Lebanon.

debkafile’s military sources say that the only external military force in the eastern Mediterranean region is a fleet of 18 Russian warships, which includes landing-craft – among the largest in the Russian Navy – with 2,000 marines aboard.
According to various Middle East sources, the Syrian report of an Israeli air strike has touched off high military alerts across the region. Syria has put its Golan forces on the Israel border on combat readiness and the Lebanese and Jordanian armies are on alert. So too are the Russian fleet opposite Syria and the Lebanese army.

Our military sources report that Turkish units on the Syrian border are on high preparedness although Ankara played down the reports of the Israeli air strike in Syria, uncomfortable over the fact that the Israeli Air Force was the first external power to intervene directly in the Syrian conflict.

So too are the US air force units stationed at the Turkish Incerlik air base, the US special forces deployed at the Jordanian Mafraq air facility and the American, German and Dutch Patriot missile interceptors deployed in Turkey opposite Syria. Israel has been on high alert since last week.
The prevailing estimate in military and intelligence circles in Washington and NATO capitals is that the Israeli air attack on the Syrian military site near Damascus was but the opening shot for the coming round of military blows they expect to be exchanged in the near future between Israel, Syria and Hizballah, with Iran possibly waiting in the wings for a chance to pitch in” END QUOTE FROM DEBKA HERE

(Russia slams Israeli attack on Syria…http://debka.com/article/22724/Russia-slams-Israeli-attack-on-Syria-US-forces-in-Jordan-on-alert)

WWW.4international.me is a Trotskyist movement in the true spirit of Leon Trotsky. Like Trotsky did in the face of the Holocaust we defend the Jews and Israel, and we oppose the “Palestine State” campaign as a continuation of the Holocaust, and it is that, even though carefully hidden by Left Fascist propaganda.

Like we defended Mubarak unconditionally against the Muslim Brotherhood, Qaradawi and Morsi, now we say defend Assad against the fascist “Rebels”, but strike against Assad and Iran as they threaten the lives of Jews. This is now happening with Syria and the danger of poison gas falling into the hands of Hizbullah, with whom Assad has long been allied with.

This position is both straight forward and complicated but the situation also is not simple.

For reading on Qutb see http://alhittin.com/2011/08/28/an-account-of-the-martyrdom-of-sayyid-qutb/ and also investige Wikipedia

Our analysis of the role of Obama and Clinton follows:

“The policies of Barack Obama have been totally disastrous for the world and this has been the case from him taking power in early 2009. This does not imply that the policies of all previous US governments in my memory were not also disastrous for humanity but the policies of Obama have had a particularly disastrous nature.

This was highlighted by the Obama trip and speech in June 2009 to Cairo University where Obama did a quite amazing and revolutionary (counter) thing, he embraced the Muslim Brotherhood not just in Egypt but in the whole world. When the fanatical Muslim Sayyid Qutb refounded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the late 1950s in Egypt he did it as the vanguard of the Islamic Jihad and war on the “Kuffar” or the “Infidel”, which is in particular Christian including Copt, Jew, Hindu and Buddhist. Oh and not forgetting Atheist. Add with a special hatred for the Gay. The act of Obama in June 2009 was part symbolic, part practice. Obama against the wishes of the Government of the country he was visiting invited the Muslim brotherhood which was banned by that (Mubarak) Government into politics and a straight road to power given that the great majority of Egypt according to the Pew Poll of that year wished earnestly for Sharia Law.

Obama in his first speech, in his first foreign trip, in that 4 then to be 8 year term was turning on its head all political life in Egypt since Nasser, who had first befriended Qutb to talk “sense” into his head, then realising the ideology was not to be talked to had him hung from a gallows in Cairo. Obama turned on its head the lesson learned with the murder of Sadat, on which the whole political life of Mubarak was based.

Even then Mubarak did have a chance but that chance could only be taken by a revolutionary leadership and the whole of the left had become corrupted by the “Palestinian” fascist narrative of lies, which was based on the lying narrative that Hajj Amin el Husseini did not exist and had never been heard of, and that the Arabs in 1948 were not out to complete the Holocaust (genocide of the Jews) Therein lies the tragedy. That is how Obama corrupted the American role. But that road had been prepared for him by Clinton in Yugoslavia. No wonder his main weapon became Mrs Clinton who strides around the world scene lioke your worst ever nightmare.” END OUR ANALYSIS OF ROLE OF OBAMA

Many words will now be spoken. Russia has correctly backed Assad and Gadhafi against the US and Britain. Israel and its leaders acted like frightened rabbits and did not take a position.

Now Israel is forced to act to defend itself and Russia is attacking Israel for doing this.

Israel HAD TO defend itself against all of these Antisemites in the Arab world and Assad is one. But Israel also had to defend Mubarak, Gadhafi and Assad against the Muslim Brotherhood takeover.

There is the complexity. It comes out of both the weakness of Israeli leaders, and also at the same time out of the ever present Antisemitism in this world.

In the final analysis we stand with Israel, in defence of Israel, in defence of Jews, and in defence of the national lineration theory of Zionism. That makes us unique on the left, the only ones in fact to do this. Write your comment below.

THE ISRAELI ELECTION RESULTS IS THROWING JEWS INTO A GREAT DANGER OF A MAJOR KILLING BY WORLD ANTISEMITISM

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(THE LEADERSHIP OF NETANYAHU HAS OPENED THE DOOR FOR JEWISH TRAITORS LIKE LIVNI WHILE LAPID WILL SURELY GO DOWN THAT ROAD OF BETRAYAL)

Jews of israel are in great criss. Obama and Iran will strike

The election has and will have serious effects. The Jews are in danger of great killings or a great killing because its enemies in Antisemitism, of Obama Europe and the Jihad, will surely strike if they find it possible and the leaders of Israel are hesitant, and show they have no programme to meet the situation which will surely develop.

The great problem and crisis for Israel and for Jews in the Diaspora who support Israel (more and more many Jews in the Diaspora do not) is that the enemies of the Jews are becoming more bold while under non leaders like Netanyahu (he does not lead) Israel which is the beacon of Israel is being wasted and its potential is being wasted.

The knives will be out for Netanyahu from now on but this will be no answer either because all those with the knives have no real programme either.

I said many times that Likud was finished after the Gaza Disengagement, because it did not expel Sharon formally and publicly from its party, when Sharon carried out his evil deed.

I have been challenged many times “Look Quigley this is Israel and these are the Jews and we do not have civil war here in Israel”. But we have had civil war for a very long time, in fact ever since Ben Gurion fired on the Atalena, which was a ship loaded with Jewish refugees from the Holocaust. I have usually bit my lip and said nothing to this but right now I am going to make a study of Feiglin, because I do believe that Feiglin is as bad as any of the rest of these leaders, and that his programme will have no answers for the Jewish people.

The fact is that in Israeli society there is a very large layer of traitors and this layer has come forward in a definite way behind the centrist Lapid.

A major campaign must be exerted to force Netanyahu out of power and out of politics because this man is a total danger tot he Jewish people.

Netanyahu is above all a creature of the American Establishment. All of his closest political contacts are out of the American Establishment. Most of the present rulers in Israel are out of this American Establishment, or out of the British or Russian Establishment. There is also a home-grown set of traitors in Israeli politics. Antisemitism in the world is in full swing and all of these leaders are reacting rather than fighting this world antisemitism.

Posed in the world is either socialist revolution or fascist counter-revolution.

We have to intellectually, mentally and spiritually go back to the time in the Russian Civil War when Lenin and Trotsky made it a capital offense to use Antisemitism.

Historically that is the period that has been most lied about by these above American influenced jews. The big lie has grown up and successfully sold for generations that has obscured these things: 1. that without the revolution of Lenin and Trotsky in October 1917 then the Holocaust would have started in Russia not Germany and 2. that the defeated Russian Antisemites were to form the backbone of Hitler’s Party and carry out the Holocaust from there. Some omission indeed. I appeal to all to write to http://www.4international.me and thus really learn from this terrible Netanyahu and other betrayals of the Jews as indeed the only way in which Jews can be saved in our epoch.

i strongly advise all Jews, all real Jews who are not afraid to really think, to begin to study the main writings of Leon Trotsky on the rise of Fascism in Germany, and indeed to study the work of Michael Kellog on the issue of the Russian White influence in the German Nazi Party and to desist from writing utter rubbish about this election, as each individual tries to justify their past betrayals. (ichael Kellogg. The Russian Roots of Nazism: White Russians and the Making of National Socialism, 1917-1945. New York: Cambridge University Press)

ALL THESE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALGERIAN JIHAD AGAINST GAS WORKERS

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TV footage shows hostages surrendering with hands above their heads

 
TV footage shows hostages surrendering with hands above their heads Photo: AFP/GETTY (VIA ATLAS SHRUGS)

 

This is a quotation from The Telegraph (via Atlas Shrugs and Jihadwatch)

 

One Algerian who managed to escape told France 24 television late Friday night that the kidnappers said, “We’ve come in the name of Islam, to  teach the Americans what Islam is.” The haggard-looking man, interviewed at the airport in Algiers, said the kidnappers then immediately  executed five hostages….

 

The above and all of the information coming out now about this horrific act by Islam, and of course by Muslims, even though not all Muslims, is rich confirmation of all that many anti-Jihadists have been saying for years.

 

Yet it is not just Islam, it is also those who help Islam, above all Obama and the European Governments.

 

These SAVAGES, the term used by Pamela Geller correctly on the bus and tube ads, have been given the green light by:

 

1. Obama in his visit to Cairo University in June 2009, his first foreign visit, where he INSISTED on having the illegal Muslim Brotherhood present.

 

2. The welcoming into Europe, and especially Britain, where Cameron also wants Turkey to become a member of the EU, of hordes of Muslims, thus destroying British culture and national heritage

 

3. Creating an alliance with Qaradawi, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, which includes Qatar and Al Jazeera, to overthrow these rulers: Milosevic, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Gaghbo and Gadhafi. The latter was the worst because the Jihadists seized the Gadhafi arms and are thus a huge threat to ordinary workers, as in this horrific case.

 

Finally responsible there are the Vatican, the Protestant and Evangelical Churches and the parasitic non-Left of Stalinists and revisionist anarchists. All of these are supporting the Muslim Jihad of Mohammedanism

THE RE-ELECTION OF OBAMA AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE FUTURE

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Nidra Poller on American Thinker…Extract:

 

It seems that the economic factor was, as expected, decisive for the vast majority of voters. And that’s why they chose Obama over Romney? When European voters dissatisfied with the state of their economies systematically reject incumbents, Americans, of all people, reward economic failure?

Foreign policy, on the other hand, apparently weighed less than zero in determining the choice of voters. Logical, isn’t it? Iran races to go nuclear, the Arab-Muslim world is in a paroxysm of rage and destruction, Israel’s existence is under dire threat, European societies tremble as their providential economies run out of gas and their demographics link up with the enraged sharia-imposing forces massed on the borders of the free world, so why should foreign policy be an issue?

 

USING THE MEDIA AND FIGURES LIKE MADONNA AND JOLIE OBAMA WILL RULE WITHOUT CONGRESS (BONAPARTISM)

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Now the inquest starts.

 

The issue in America is not whether it is republican or democrat, the issue is the world economic crisis in the capitalist system (a period of severe world-wide contraction following the post 45 boom) but that neither parties have an answer to this crisis of the capitalist system.

 

Obama is the most dangerous. We saw his role in that he went to war against Muammar Gadhafi by completely sidestepping Congress, which is AGAINST THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.

 

On the very night of his election Obama was already proceeding to rule with the same strategy, side-stepping Congress. The whole line of the Media and especially the BBC was why are these horrible Republicans of Congress such horrible people and such unreasonable horrible people.

 

Obama with nothing to lose in his last 4 years is going to rule in this way. It is called Bonapartism and if people do not know what that means they should find out because it is the ante-chamber to Fascism.

 

Note well. It is not Fascism. It is the preceding period.

 

In short the choice is Fascism or Socialism, Fascist Revolution or Socialist Revolution.

 

The American situation is so different to the European because the American Revolution still lives in the principles of the Republican Party.

 

But Romney did not articulate that nor could he.

 

The American Republican elite have sold out on the principles of the Great American Constitution which flow from out of the Great American (Bourgeois) revolution. It was very clear that they had sold out when Michelle Bachmann was isolated by this Republican Elite during the campaign because she opposed the support for Hamas in America.

 

Romney and the Elite not once referred to Obama going to war on Muammar Gadhafi thus side-stepping the Constitution, which states clearly that a President of America must get consent of Congress. Stephens in Benghazi was transferring guns to the Muslim Brotherhood fighting Assad…Note no Congress again! Romney dropped that in Debate 3 following the intervention of Crowley in Debate 2.

 

This was a step on from Clinton in Yugoslavia. There Clinton created the false red flag operations of Racak and Srebrenica, to frame the Serbs, to create the alliance with the Jihad (Izetbegovic), and to rush Congress behind the war on the Serbs (6 months bombing of Serbia)

 

But Obama moves again. Obama had moved from Clintobn. No red flag needed. He just dismisses Congress, dismisses the Constitution.

 

Obama rules without Congress. In a real way Obama rules with Madonna, Pitt and Jolie.

 

Obama is above the Constitution. He parades his gawky wife and his gawky children and makes his personal life the issue. The feminist traitors to Feminism lap it up.

 

But Obama is not Hitler. The role of Obama is to open the door to a Hitler American leader.

 

It will emerge out of the economic crisis. There will be many forces at play. There will certainly be what is not the left, that is those like www.wsws.org who support Obama the Islamist, and who create Antisemitism in everything they do.

 

And the future Fascism will have as a central component Antisemitism and Anticommunism, because the role of Fascism is to end all opposition, and to make the capitalist crisis survivable for capital. The Republican Party is filled with Anticommunism so Fascism in America will come from there too I am sorry to have to say.

 

The situation is far more complicated and even more serious than Daniel Greenfieldpresents it.

 

the analysis which follows by Greenfield is typically shallow. Greenfield like so many of these reject Leon Trotsky and his method of analysis of capitalism. Greenfield ignores the historical crisis in capitalism. Greenfield does not understand the meaning of the phenomenon of Bonapartism and he is utterly opposed to the Trotskyist analysis of Fascism, just as Jabotinsky also was.

 

In that way Greenfield, and people like Belman on Israpundit whom we mentioned yesterday, actually disarm the Jews, and disarm Israel, in the face of Fascism in the United States. That after all is the essence of the alliance of Obama with the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

(ANALYSIS FOLLOWS)

 

Daniel Greenfield, FPM

In this election the Republican Party ran two wholly inoffensive blue state Republicans on a platform of jobs at a time when the economy was everyone’s chief concern and the incumbent had absolutely failed to fix the economy. And they lost.

The Monday — or Wednesday — morning quarterbacks will have a fine time debating what Mitt Romney should have done differently. The red Republicans will say that he should have been more aggressive and should have hit Obama on Benghazi. The blue Republicans will blame a lack of outreach to Latinos. Some will blame Sandy, others will blame Christie and many will point to voter fraud. And they will all have a point, but the makings of this defeat did not happen in the last two weeks; they happened in the last two years.

Mitt Romney won the primaries because he was electable. But, as it turned out, he really wasn’t electable after all. Not when the chief criteria of electability is having no opinion, no point of view and no reason to run for office except to win. Not when the chief criteria of being a Republican presidential nominee is being able to convince people that you’re hardly a Republican at all.

Romney was a star political athlete who had an excellent training regimen and coaching staff. But to win elections, you have to change people’s minds. It’s not enough to try hard or to fight hard; you have to fight for something besides the chance to round the bases. You have to wake people up to a cause.

The Republican comeback did not begin with innocuous candidates; it began with angry protesters in costumes and Gadsden flags marching outside ObamaCare town halls. The 2010 midterm election triumphs were not the work of a timorous establishment, but of a vigorous grassroots opposition. And once the Tea Party movement started the fire, the Republican establishment acted like the Tea Party had sabotaged their comeback and cut the ties with their own grassroots movement. Separated, the Republican grassroots and the Republican Party both withered on the vine.

The stunning 2010 midterm election victories happened because a conservative opposition loudly and vociferously convinced a majority of Americans that ObamaCare would be harmful to them. And then that fantastic engine of change was packed away and replaced with political consultants who were all focused on seizing the center and offending as few people as possible. But you don’t win political battles by being inoffensive. And you don’t win elections by avoiding conflict.

Is it any wonder that the 2012 election played out the way it did?

The Democrats in the Bush years were about as unlikable a party as could ever be conceived of. They were hostile, hateful and obstructionist. They spewed conspiracy theories at the drop of a hat and behaved in a way that would have convinced any reasonable person not to entrust them with a lawnmower, let alone political power. And not only were they rewarded for that by winning Congress, but they also went on to win the White House.

Why? Because dissatisfied people gravitate to an opposition. They don’t gravitate to a loyal opposition. They aren’t inspired by mild-mannered rhetoric, but by those who appear to channel their anger.

When the Republican Party sold out the Tea Party, it sold out its soul, and the only driving energy that it had. And there was nothing to replace it with. The Republican Party stopped being the opposition and became a position that it was willing to reposition to get closer to the center. Mitt Romney embodied that willingness to say anything to win and it is exactly that willingness to say anything to win that the public distrusts.

The elevation of Mitt Romney was the triumph of inoffensiveness. Romney ran an aggressive campaign, but it was a mechanical exercise, a smooth assault by trained professionals paid to spin talking points in dangerous directions. But, what if the voters really wanted a certain amount of offensiveness?

What if they wanted someone who mirrored their anger at being out of work, at having to look at stacks of unpaid bills and at not knowing where their next paycheck was coming from? What if they wanted someone whose anger and distrust of the government echoed their own?

Romney very successfully made the case that he would be a more credible steward of the economy. It was enough to turn out a sizable portion of the electorate, but not enough of it. He tried to be Reagan confronting Carter, but what was remarkable about Reagan, is that he had moments of anger and passion; electric flashes of feeling that stirred his audience and made them believe that he understood their frustrations. That was the source of Reagan’s moral authority and it was entirely lacking in Romney. And without that anger, there is no compelling reason to vote for an opposition party.

The establishment had its chance with Mitt Romney. The former Massachusetts governor was everything that they could possibly want. Moderate, bipartisan and fairly liberal. With his business background, he could make a perfect case for being able to turn the economy around. They had their perfect candidate and their perfect storm and they blew it.

The Republican Party is not going to win elections by being inoffensive. It is not going to win elections by going so far to the center that it no longer stands for anything. It is not going to win elections by throwing away all the reasons that people might have to vote for it. It is not going to win elections by constantly trying to accommodate what it thinks independent voters want, instead of cultivating and growing its base, and using them as the nucleus for an opposition that will change the minds of those independent voters.

The Republican Party has tried playing Mr. Nice Guy. It may be time to get back to being an opposition movement. And the way to do that is by relearning the lessons of the Tea Party movement. The Democratic Party began winning when it embraced the left, instead of running away from it. If the Republican Party wants to win, then it has to embrace the right and learn to get angry again.

BREITBART AND GELLER WERE NOT ABLE TO DEFEAT OBAMA…THAT IS THE MAIN LESSON OF US ELECTION

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Of course it is not Romney who has lost. Romney will retire to a comfortable retirement in a gated community and will be untouched by the Fascism which will follow with the destruction of the rights contained in the American Constitution which Obama and called the left but NOT the left are preparing to throw away. Expect sites like Jihadwatch and that of Pamela Geller to be closed. It is the American Constitution, the Great American Constitution, the result of the Great American Revolution that is being thrown under the bus by an American capitalist class, really represented by the becoming Fascist Obama. Obama is not Hitler, but make no doubt about it, Obama opens the door to Fascism. I expect sites like Breitbart to move into a really dangerous, protofascist direction now. I do not think that Breitbart and those like it will really fight Obama, what they will fight is communism in America, and they will be disguising this by calling it the left. As they use it and have been using it this term “the left” is referring to groups of fascists who are in support of Islam and are in support of the Antisemitism of “Palestinianism”, or the so-called “Palestinians”.

 

That is the big issue that has to be fought for by 4international. The big lessons of Yugoslavia and the murder of Milosevic are still there. Take Israpundit and its leader Ted Belman who mistakingly calls himself a “Zionist”. Belman too late caught on about the Serbs and too late defended the Serbs. But then on the Arab Spring Belman supported it by supporting “Sand Monkey” (as did Pamela Geller) against Mubarak. On Libya Ted Belman actual;ly called for NATO to bomb Gadhafi. It was as if Milosevic had not happened for Belman. Learn nothning forget nothing. And this runs right through all of these groups.

 

We called to defend Romney against the Media set-up and to defend the First Amendment. But Romney was not a fighter for freedom and was refusing to take on the Media over the lies of Obama. You have to draw the sharpest conclusions about Romney and all the rest of these Republican Leaders. You cannot fight Fascism in the way the Republican Party with leaders like Romney in this election tried. Basically they did not understand how to tell the truth to the people.

 

There were 2 key moments. 1. A then candidate (newt Gingrich) stated that the “Palestinians” were a fraud. Correct. But not followed up. 2. Debate 2 Romney raised issue of murder of Stephens in Benghazi and was moving towards role of Obama in Libya. The Moderater Crowley intervened. Debate was ending. But Debate 3 Romney did not return. Romney was a coward or was got at.

 

Netanyahu will pay for this. Israel will pay for this. But again it is the Jews of Israel who will really pay for the weaknesses of Netanyahu. Netanyahu is made of exactly the same kind of useless stuff as is Belman of Israpundit and is Romney. On 4international we must not allow the Jews to have to pay again.

 

The starting point in all of this is to understand why people on sites such as Israpundit, people like Yamit82, who takes his name from the expulsion of Jews from Sinai by Begin, why they were so hostile to 4international, along with Belman. It is not as if 4international was opposing Israel. We were foremost in defending Israel.I was even called an Antisemite by a man called Dervolin on Belman’s Israpundit. What were they doing, these so-called Zionists on Israpundit. What they were doing was opposing communism, they were red-baiters, they were hostile to Trotskyism above all else, first and foremost. That is what the whole Breitbart opposition to Obama was all about. That is also what Breitbart and Belman’s Israpundit will turn into, they will become communist haters. And they will just delight in calling fascists like the SWP the left. We on 4international must explode this Big Lie.

 

There is no chance that Obama will raise a finger against fellow Muslims and Islamists in Iran. They will go on to develop the Nuclear Bomb which they will use without any doubt to murder millions of Israeli Jews Obama, the Democrats, Europe and the SWP types will laugh at this. The BBC will just love reporting on the death of millions of Jews and the ending of Israel. The American trade union leaders who supported this proto fascist Obama will see the working class of America decimated due to mass unemployment caused by economic collapse. The trade unions will eventually be closed down as an American Fascism takes wing. Already the steps towards this are being taken as groups such as Jihadwatch are labelled as hate groups. Soon they will be closed down. Later all organizations of resistance will be closed. Like Bush Romney will retire somewhere nice and cosy. But because he did not know how to fighnt Fascism there will be a sharp move to Fascism. Fascism is essentially closing down all forms of opposition to the demands of capital. The groups like Israpundit and Breitbart will be part of this because a big part of Fascism in America is and will be opposition to Communism. Which for the likes of Belman, Geller, Pollock and so on, they do not recognise the differences between Stalinism and Trotskyism, between Stalin and Trotsky. They know nothing.

 

And so 4international must go on. The capitalist crisis will more and more determine all politics. We are alone in the world. We do know that Leon Trotsky became the greatest of all fighters for the Jews, especially in the 1930s as the Nazis threatened the Jews. THAT is what Geller, Belman, and Breitbart dislike and attack. Leon Trotsky had become the greatest fighter against Stalinism and Nazism and had become a Zionist, but a new kind of Zionist, a Zionist who was revolutionary socialist and was also based on atheism, or dialectical materialism. THAT is what they cannot stomach. So they refer to the likes of the SWP as the left when if they were telling the truth they would call them Antisemiktes or whatever, BUT NOT SOCIALISTS, no more than Stalin was a socialist revolutionary. Youth must learn about history and they must learn about Leon Trotsky and if they do not learn that they will remain ignorant youth and later ignorant human beings.

SUPPORT ROMNEY TO DEFEAT OBAMA BECAUSE OBAMA WILL DESTROY THE GREAT AMERICAN CONSTITUTION

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THE ISSUE IN THE AMERICAN ELECTION IS THAT WITHOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT WORKERS AND SOCIALISTS AS WELL AS PROGRESSIVE NATIONALISTS SIMPLY CANNOT FIGHT. THE EVENTS OVER THE MURDER OF AMBASSADOR STEPHENS SHOWS THAT OBAMA LIES LIES LIES. PLUS HE WENT TO WAR IN LIBYA WITHOUT CONGRESS…

 

ROBERT SPENCER OF JIHADWATCH BRILLIANTLY SUMS UP MANY OF THE ISSUES:

 

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SPENCER ASKS…Are you safer from the global jihad and Islamic supremacism than you were four years ago? Over the last four years, Barack Obama has:

 

HE ANSWERS IN 8 BRILLIANT POINTS:

 

that heralded the installation of pro-Sharia Islamic supremacist regimes in each. These regimes are already oppressing women and non-Muslims and striving to outdo their predecessors in anti-Americanism. The Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt, meanwhile, is giving out strong and repeated hints that the Camp David Accords, and Egypt’s uneasy but 30-year-old peace with Israel, are not long for this world.

  • Refused to say a single positive word about the uprising against the bloody Islamic regime in Iran, ostensibly on the grounds that American support would doom the uprising to failure – a possibility that never gave him pause in his rush to praise the Egyptian, Libyan, and Tunisian uprisings. He thus missed an opportunity to weaken and destabilize, at the very least, a rogue regime that is relentlessly pursuing development of nuclear weapons and has made no secret of its genocidal intentions toward Israel.
  • Displayed repeated contempt for Israel and its prime minister, thereby drastically weakening the U.S.’s relationship with its only ally in the Middle East and encouraging jihadists who have vowed to destroy the Jewish state – not least in the Islamic Republic of Iran.
  • Readily acquiesced to the demands of Muslim groups tied to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood that training material for the FBI and Department of Homeland Security be purged of all accurate information about how jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to recruit and motivate terrorists. This has led to a government-wide willful ignorance about the motives and goals of those who have vowed to destroy us, which in turn leads to disastrous policy mistakes based on false assumptions about the outlook and aspirations of Muslim “insurgents.” The most obvious recent consequence of this analytical failure was the murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans at the Benghazi consulate by revolutionaries Obama and Stevens had backed on the assumption that they were benign democratic pluralists.
  • Kept American troops in Afghanistan without a clearly defined mission, fighting against a foe, the Taliban, that have so thoroughly infiltrated the government and police force that our troops are murdered by their putative allies in ever-increasing numbers. Our ostensible allies have responded to this infiltration by inviting Taliban members to run for offices in the upcoming elections, making it more unclear than ever what is the purpose of the continuing American presence there, except perhaps to demonstrate that Barack Obama is not weak on defense or soft on jihad terror.
  • Aided and abetted the ever more prevalent idea that when Muslims riot and murder over something a non-Muslim has said or done, the fault, and the responsibility to change his behavior, lies with the non-Muslim. He has done this by blaming the Muhammad video for the Benghazi consulate attack for a considerable period after he knew that it was a jihad attack that had been planned for some time beforehand and had nothing to do with the video. By proclaiming that “the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam,” he has thrown in his lot with those who are demanding curbs on the First Amendment to criminalize the criticism of Islam.
  • Lent the prestige and power of his Justice Department to court cases involving Muslims demanding special accommodation not accorded to non-Muslims. One notorious example was the case of Safoorah Khan, the first-year teacher that Obama’s DOJ forced the Chicago-area Berkeley School District to pay $75,000 in back pay, damages, and attorney fees. The district’s crime was refusing Khan’s request for three weeks off during the school year so she could make the hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca, and dismissing her when she went anyway. Such cases are increasing in number nationwide, with the Obama Justice Department’s active involvement.
  • Utterly failed, despite his many attempts to accommodate Muslims domestically and internationally, to stop jihadists from plotting attacks on U.S. soil. In recent years there was Rezwan Ferdaus, who was just sentenced last week to seventeen years in prison for his jihad plot to blow up the Pentagon and the Capitol building; Amine Mohamed El-Khalifi, a would-be jihad/martyrdom suicide bomber who also targeted the Capitol; Naser Abdo, the would-be second Fort Hood jihad mass murderer; Khalid Aldawsari, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Lubbock, Texas; Muhammad Hussain, the would-be jihad bomber in Baltimore; Mohamed Mohamud, the would-be jihad bomber in Portland; Faisal Shahzad, the would-be Times Square jihad mass-murderer; Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the Arkansas military recruiting station jihad murderer; Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh, who hatched a jihad plot to blow up a Manhattan synagogue; Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be Christmas airplane jihad bomber; and many others like them who have plotted and/or committed mass murder in the name of Islam. The days when liberal pundits confidently predicted that all this would end with the election of Barack Obama seem very long ago indeed.

 

http://pjmedia.com/blog/8-reasons-you-arent-safer-than-4-years-ago/?singlepage=true

 

THE SHAMEFUL HARRY’S PLACE SUPPORTS THE STATE REPRESSION OF THE EDL AND ATTACKS PAMELA GELLER

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The British website Harry’s Place has come down on the side of the British state and police in their persectution of Tommy Robinson of the English Defence League.

Basically Harry’s Place is supporting the police arresting over 50 members of the EDL not at a demo but before (as they intended to attend) a demo.

 

This is very like what the British State did to the Miners as they planned to attend meetings and pickets. They arrested and stopped miners from travelling on the public roads of Britain

 

The horror show which is Harry’s Place lines up with all of that.

 

i reject this term of the “left” to descrine these police snitches in the so-called “United Against Fascism” and others and this sentiment of my rejection of this term, which is very misleading, is contained in this comment which I placed this morning on Harry’s Place:

 

Will Defens

You really must give more attention to your use of words to describe this new phenomenon. These people such as United Against Fascism are NOT the left.

You write:

“The lefts response to Islam is, a few blogs that the main stream press and Guardian types totally ignore. At the same time Islam is gaining a very powerful political base in this country. The people running Tower Hamlets are linked to the IFE. Nothing, not a peep from the left. In fact the left are actually in cahoots with them.. The left is actually helping racists and genocidal manics to oppress their won people.”

You are very wrong there in calling these “the left”. They are not in any way left, and are not standing in the traditions of the great socialist thinkers and practitioners. NO WAY!

But I have no ready answer as to what to call them. So I appreciate your difficulty.

The first thing to appreciate is that there is actually no left in existence, none at all.

These whom you call “the left” are as you point out in alliance with Islam which is a most reactionary ideology, and they are now also in league with the capitalist state, and with the police, no doubt therefore behind the scenes with the Special Branch.

They are certainly agents of the state machine which itself is in league with Islam for reasons which have not yet been consciously identified.

There is one obvious link to the arrest by the state aided by these folk whom you call the left, and that is the arrest of the miners at the edges of the British motorway system, on their way to rallies or pickets during the decisive Miners Strike.

Here just as in the Miners Strike the state is moving to attacking the INTENTION to demonstrate etc.

I would say that many of these in the UAF etc. are paid by the state (given the loose and undisciplined nature of these groups the infiltration must be enormous).. Also as Britain slips into crisis even more these precedents of arrest before an event will be used against all kinds of workers’ organizations.

I am at a loss to know what to call these people. I used to call them “left Fascists” but I am now rejecting this term. The left part is misleading.

The best I can come up with is “Pro-state provocateurs”

http://hurryupharry.org/2012/11/02/pamela-geller-and-robert-spencer-raise-funds-for-edl-leader%e2%80%99s-legal-defence/#comment-820029

 

FOR THE RECORD I DEFEND UNCONDITIONALLY THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE AS THEY ARE REPRESSED BY THE BRITISH STATE MACHINE, AND I ALSO DEFEND UNCONDITIONALLY PAMELA GELLER AND ROBERT SPENCER. THAT IS THE CORRECT POSITION FOR A PRINCIPLED LEFT TO TAKE.

OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED BECAUSE HE AND THE MEDIA ARE VERY CLOSE TO FASCISM IN THEIR HATRED OF THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION

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I THINK IT DOES MATTER. I WANT ROMNEY TO DEFEAT OBAMA BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS MUCH CLOSER TO BRINGING IN FASCISM IN AMERICA. IT IS BECAUSE OBAMA WITH THE BACKING OF THE CORRUPT MEDIA AS SEEN IN THE MURDER OF STEPHENS IS MUCH MUCH CLOSER TO FASCISM

 

WITH OBAMA DEFEATED THAT WILL BE A SET-BACK TO THE MOST REACTIONARY FORCES IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA

 

WITH ROMNEY ELECTED WE WOULD CONTINUE THE STRUGGLE BECAUSE IT IS AN INTERNATIONAL CAPITALIST CRISIS AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT THROUGH CAPITALISM AS IT MOVES TO FASCIST FORMS OF RULE. NUT ROMNEY IS ONVIOUSLY MORE LOYAL TO THE GREAT AMERICAN CONSTITUTION WHICH MUST BE DEFENDED

 

I PLACED THE FOLLOWING AS A COMMENT TO AN ARTICLE ON ISRAPUNDIT

 

“In the past the US backed the monarchs or dictators whether they were Islamists of socialist. Now there is a sense that US should shift to backing the MB because fascist governments are more stable than democracies, especially fledgling democracies”.

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/50373/comment-page-1#comment-223012
Nasser for example was not a “socialist” no more than was Hitler. All of these and more often used and use socialist sounding words and programmes because they are playing to their own popularity among the poor masses whom they wish to attract to their banner, whether Fascist like Hitler or Bonapartist like Mubarak etc.

That is if truth and programme mean anything.
Would you call Finkelstein a Zionist or a Jew? I do not think he is in reality.

The basic problem with FGW and with the whole of the Zionist movement as we at present understand it is that he thinks it is a revolutionary doctrine, but it is not, it is a conservative doctrine. In the time of slavery it was for slavery, in the time of feudalism for feudalism and in the time of capitalism for capitalism.

But capitalism in crisis brings on Fascism.

Israel is not a way out if you accept capitalism because Fascism is like Capitalism International.

It is only if Jews become revolutionary socialists that they can defend their Jewish Homeland. The Jews need revolutionary socialism and the socialist revolution. But the conservatism of Judaism will keep them tied to capitalism, and because of that tied to the United States as present constituted.

Obama is not a socialist, but rather he is much closer in every way to the stage of capitalism known as Fascism.

This takes the form of his disregard and hatred for the Great American Constitution. America is very close to Fascism as is seen in the cover-up of the Media of the events surrounding the murder of Stephens in Benghazi. And never forget Obama went to war in Libya without Congress.

That is why tactically speaking it is vital that Obama be defeated by Romney. With Romney in power we will have to deal with him, remmebering that the Republican Party isolated Michelle Bachmann when she and 4 others spoke against Islam in America.

But if Obama wins that is a defeat.

Just as when Obama/Morsi winning against Mubarak that also was a defeat.

You have to take sides…you cannot opt out. If Assad is defeated in Syria that too will be a defeat. it is another big betrayal to mess around on this issue. You either defend Assad or you support Obama/Sharia law in Syria

END THE PERSECUTION OF THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE (EDL) BY THE BRITISH FASCIST-BECOMING STATE

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IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT CALL GROUPS LIKE THE SWP “LEFT FASCISTS” BUT IT IS NECESSARY TO CALL THEM “FASCISTS”

 

THE ARREST OF TOMMY ROBINSON LEADER OF THE EDL, AND OVER 50 MEMBERS OF THE EDL IN AN “INTERNMENT” TYPE SWOOP BY THE BRITISH POLICE, SHOWS FASCISTS LIKE THE SWP WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THE B RITISH POLICE.

 

Patrick Hayes on “Spiked” has referred to “anti-fascists” preparing a police state. Hayes is right. Yes they are preparing a police state. But Hayes is also wrong. These are not “anti-fascists” and certainly not of the “left” but these are indeed fascists. Groups like the SWP are Fascists. Not to be called ever “Left Fascists”.

 

Hayes is right on t he following report:

 

The modern anti-fascist left has provided plenty of justification for increased state control over political to and fro in modern Britain. It has strengthened the use of public-order laws over political freedom, and it has empowered the state to govern all forms of political speech. That control extends not just to the statements and actions of ‘fascist’ groups, but also to the statements and actions of left-wing groups and anti-fascists, too.

So for the next 30 days, any group – regardless of its grievance – is banned from marching in Walthamstow and the rest of the borough of Waltham Forest and in the nearby boroughs of Tower Hamlets, Newham and Islington. This blanket ban is directly down to the campaigning efforts of left-wing anti-fascist protesters, who have spent the past month taking to the streets to get people to join local Labour MP Stella Creasy in signing a petition to ban the EDL from entering Walthamstow. The successful campaign for a ban was celebrated by Creasy who, ironically, claimed it meant ‘our community can get back to its normal, peaceful and tolerant state’.

http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13036/

 

hayes is absolutely correct to draw attention to this Labourite Creasy. This very much reminds me of the Stalinist Comintern which insisted that Hitlerism was not all that bad in the months leading to Hitler grabbing state power in 1933.

 

Sure there are differences. It is a different historical situation. But in both cases the moves of dictatorship by the capitalist state are not being opposed but are being sanctioned by people like Creasy.

 

I nearly said, out of habit, “people like Creasy on the Left”

 

But that is precisely what I am challenging on. These are not people of the “left” at all. These like Creasy are Fascists. Everything today is reversed.

 

Just yesterday we on 4international wrote about this very issue. We are challenging the term “left” fascists. These people like Creasy with their hatreds of Israel and their joining with the state forces against the EDL, are not of the left but are Fascists.

 

In our defence of Tommy Robinson we are challenging the concept that people like Creasy are of the left.

VICE PREMIER OF TANZANIA BECOMES FIRST GOVERNMENT TO CONDEMN ISLAM

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The Vice Prime Minister of Tanzania has become the first Prime Minister of any Government in the world to make a reference to the hatefulness that is in the Islamic Koran. That in itself is quite amazing. Only one!

 

The method in the world today is that anybody who points out the hatefulness in the Koran is immediaely condemned as being “racist”.

 

That is precisely what has happened to Tommy Robinson of the English Defence League. He has been put on remand for 2 months because they allege that he broke a passport rule in entering the United States to attend a function organised by the anti-Jihad fighter Pamela Geller.

 

That is absurdly extreme. But the British state is moving rapidly to police dictatorship.

 

I think Tommy Robinson is right, right to take up a struggle in England, based on the great traditions of English Cromwellian history (republicanism), to expose just what is the real nature of Islam.

 

This is an amazing quote from Jihadwatch.

 

“Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, ‘You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.’ I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” — Sahih Bukhari 1.9.490

 

That shows the utter depravity of Islam. We on 4international send Robinson our support just as much as we send Assange our support.

 

Remember however and also that Tommy Robinson was arrested along with 50 other members of the EDL because they were INTENDING to attend a meeting in Britain. This is full-scale repression.

 

The big crime of Robinson and the EDL is that they campaign against Islam, which they reckon is a political ideology, and it is indeed a political ideology, because all roads to becoming a Muslim must lead through Sharia Law, which is an  extreme political ideology.

 

Meanwhile in Northern Nigeria over this weekend as Robinson rots in a prison, as indeed does the freedom of speech fighter Julian Assange (a special prison) extreme Islamists planted a bomb in St Rita’s Church.

 

I would like to know more about St Rita’s Church. I had a very good Nigerian friend and he was educated by Irish Catholic Missionaries in Northern Nigeria. I bet Catholic Irish priests were involved with St Rita’s but I am also pretty sure that the Irish Media will be pretty silent on black Nigerian Catholics being murdered.

 

Julian Assange rots in his Embassy Cell, Catholics are blown to smidereens in Northern Nigeria, The President of the United States gives up so much that he allows his Ambassador (Stephens) be assasinated although it was totally within his power to save him.

 

meanwhile the world is totally silent as Iran speeds on its way to build Nuclear Bombs and the purpose of those bombs, IT CAN EASILY BE ARGUED JUST BY TAKING THE WORDS FROM THE MOUTHS OF THE IRANIAN MULLAHS are directed towards a Second Holocaust of the Jews.

 

And there is not even sympathy for the plight of Israel and the Jews of Israel.

 

There is much latent Antisemitism (those who are silent)

 

And there is just plain open Antisemitism. Much of this is now coming from a left. But here I have great difficulty in calling these Antisemites of Indymedia, Counterpunch, WSWS, SWP etc. as being of the left.

 

Thus I am turning more and more away from the term given by some to these folks, as being “Left Fascists”.

 

It must be understood that Antisemitism was not contained in the lives of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky. (More on this as we go along)

 

Stalin yes. Stalin was filled with Antisemitism but he also was filled with hatred of Leninism, so much so that he poisoned Lenin in order to open his way to power.

MORE EVIDENCE THAT SREBRENICA “MASSACRE” WAS A MEDIA FRAUD

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Shroud of Secrecy Leaves Room for Doubt on Srebrenica DNA Evidence
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org – August 7, 2011

 

(ALL READERS OF 4INTERNATIONAL MUST VISIT THIS SITE (www.slobodan-milosevic.org) TO KEEP INFORMED ABOUT NEW EVIDENCE THAT THE MEDIA LIED AND LIED AGAINST THE SERBS, AND THAT THE MEDIA WAS HIDING THE JIHAD AGAINST THE SERBS) 

Written by: Andy Wilcoxson

 

A controversy surrounding DNA identifications made by the International Commission on Missing Persons (ICMP) of victims of the Srebrenica massacre has erupted behind the scenes in the war crimes trial of former Bosnian-Serb President Radovan Karadzic at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague.

 

Last month, the ICMP issued a press release which claimed that “By analyzing DNA profiles extracted from bone samples of exhumed mortal remains and matching them to the DNA profiles obtained from blood samples donated by relatives of the missing, the International Commission on Missing Persons (ICMP) has so far revealed the identity of 6,598 persons missing from the July 1995 fall of Srebrenica.”[1]

 

The ICTY relied heavily on the ICMP’s findings to convict the defendants in the Popovic trial on charges related to Srebrenica.[2] Prosecutors in the Karadzic trial also intend to make use the ICMP’s findings. The Prosecution has announced that it intends to call the ICMP’s Director of Forensic Sciences, Dr. Thomas Parsons, as an expert witness.[3]

 

On July 23, 2009, Karadzic asked the Trial Chamber to “allow my experts to see every single piece of material, all the DNA analysis” he said, “my experts cannot rely on newspaper information.  They need to have the same material that the [Prosecution] experts were privy to in order to be able to see whether the facts were established correctly and whether the conclusions were established correctly.  That’s why my experts have to focus on the same body of material that their counterparts had.  This is the only way.  They must be able to see everything that the [Prosecution] experts saw and then they will be able to confront them with their expert views.”[4]

 

He explained to the court that “We want the entire material, and we will take a random sample and choose 300, and if there are major discrepancies among the 300, then we will broaden the sample and continue the procedure.”[5]

 

On February 10, 2010, Hildegard Uertz-Retzlaff the senior trial attorney for the Prosecution, sent a letter to Karadzic’s defense explaining why his experts would not be allowed access to the ICMP’s data. The letter said:

 

“The ICMP is an independent third party organization with its own mandate. The Prosecution is unable to simply, ‘contact the ICMP and disclose to the Defence for Mr. Karadzic the entirety of family DNA profiles held on ICMP databases.’ In addition the Prosecution does not possess these databases and therefore is not in a position to disclose them.

 

“Second, our understanding is that the ICMP has thus far declined to disclose to any party the ‘entirety’ of its family DNA profiles because this would constitute a breach of the assurances provided in the consent forms signed by the family donors. As discussed with your associate Mr. Sladojevic, the issue is not simply one of providing data ‘without names’, as donors have been promised that their DNA will not be disclosed, not merely that there names will not be disclosed or that any disclosure of DNA data would be anonymous.”[6]

 

Of course this only explains why the ICMP won’t share DNA from the family members of the victims, not why it won’t share the DNA of the victims themselves. Nobody ever promised the victims that their DNA would remain confidential.

 

Aside from the question of whether the Tribunal ought to rely on DNA evidence that neither the Prosecution, the Defense, nor the judges have any access to, the pretrial judge, Ian Bonomy of Scotland, sided with Karadzic and conceded that “there must be some substance in the suggestion that the Defence should be able to run some tests similar to those done by the [ICMP] with a view to checking the accuracy of what was actually done by them.” He said, “I find it difficult to understand that a person might consent to have material given to a Prosecutor and not realise that the inevitable result of that must be that the Defence would have a pretty strong claim at least for access to it.”[7]

 

The Trial Chamber, which Judge Bonomy was no longer part of because he only sat on the pre-trial bench, issued an order on March 19, 2010 noting “the Accused’s wish to challenge the conclusions reached by the ICMP” and noting “the Accused’s insistence that he should be provided with the entire family DNA database before he reveals to the ICMP the 300 cases he has selected because of his concerns about the ICMP’s impartiality and suspicion that it would adjust the database in some way in order to ensure [DNA] matches in the 300 selected cases.”

 

The Order directed “the Accused to immediately complete his selection of 300 cases for further DNA analysis and provide the details of his selection to the ICMP, who will, upon obtaining the necessary consents, be in a position to supply relevant data from the family database.”

 

The Order, however, did not require the ICMP to provide Karadzic’s experts with access to the complete database on the excuse that “the Accused has not established any basis for his concern that the ICMP would manipulate the database to strengthen its own conclusions.”[8]

 

The entire purpose of testing the 300 DNA samples is to “challenge the ICMP’s findings”. If they were falsifying their findings, it stands to reason that they would manipulate their database in order to prevent the deception from being uncovered.

 

On July 28, 2011 Karadzic’s defense team filed a brief explaining that “The testing procedure set forth by the Trial Chamber is its order has one fatal flaw. It allows the ICMP to, without detection, substitute the [DNA] electropherograms of other persons for those who the Accused selected as part of his sample … First, [the Defense] provides the ICMP with the name of a victim—victim A.

 

“Second, someone at the ICMP realizes that there is a problem with the identification of victim A and does not want this problem to be exposed.

 

“Third, the person at ICMP solves this problem by providing the defence with the DNA data for victim B, and his brother, representing it to be the DNA data for victim A

and his brother.

 

“Fourth, Dr. Stojkovic [the Defense expert] examines the DNA data and confirms that it is a correct match—the DNA of the victim matches the DNA of his brother.

 

“In this way, the substitution of the DNA data remains undetected. Through this method, the results can be cheated or manipulated.

 

“To prevent this, Dr. Karadzic requires the DNA data of all of the missing persons to be provided in advance. Then, he is able to add one more step to the testing process. After Dr. Stojkovic verifies the match between the Victim A and his brother, he will compare the DNA data of Victim A with the DNA data of Victim A from the database provided at the outset to verify that it is indeed Victim A’s DNA that has been tested.

 

“Without the ability to take this last step, there is no way for Dr. Karadzic to be sure that the DNA data provided for Victim A is indeed that of Victim A, and not Victim B.

 

“That is why Dr. Karadzic insists on being provided with the unique DNA bone profiles and electropherograms of all of the missing persons before he makes his selection.”[9]

 

The Prosecution has adopted a hard line against independent verification of the ICMP’s findings. They filed a brief against Karadzic arguing that “In light of the Accused’s position that he has no intention of testing any samples provided to him under the procedure outlined in the Trial Chamber’s Order on Selection of Cases for DNA Analysis … [the Prosecution] respectfully requests declaratory relief from the Trial Chamber in the following terms: a) The Accused is in breach of the Order; and b) The ICMP is not obliged to provide 300 sample case files to the Accused under any procedure, or subject to any preconditions, outside the terms of the Order.”[10]

 

One has to wonder why the ICMP gave the donors the expectation of confidentiality regarding their DNA samples in the first place. It seems irrational for anyone who isn’t living in a hermetically sealed bubble to expect confidentiality given that people leave trace amounts of their DNA everywhere they go and on practically everything they touch. A person’s DNA is in every cell of their body and in virtually every biological substance secreted by it. Forensic scientists can extract a person’s DNA from the oils left behind in their fingerprints.[11]

 

The ICMP was established in 1996 at the urging of the then US President Bill Clinton.[12] The Commission was described by Senator John Shattuck as “A major U.S. initiative to support the peace and reconciliation process in the former Yugoslavia” in his capacity as Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor in a speech before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on May 12, 1998.[13]

 

The chairmen of the ICMP have, without exception, been Washington insiders since its founding in 1996. The ICMP’s first chairman, Cyrus Vance (1996-97) was the US Secretary of State under Jimmy Carter. He was succeeded by Bob Dole (1997-2001) the 1996 Republican presidential candidate and career politician who spent almost 30 years in the US Senate. In 2001 the U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell handpicked James Kimsey (2001-2011) to head-up the ICMP. In 2001 Kimsey was succeeded by the former American ambassador to Bosnia, Thomas Miller (2011-current).[14]

 

It should also be noted that the ICMP’s lab operated for years without professional accreditation, and that the majority of identifications made by the ICMP were made before their lab obtained accreditation in late 2007.[15]  

 

Discrepancies have also been found between the ICMP’s findings and the original military records of the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The ICMP claims to have found the mortal remains of at least 140 soldiers in Srebrenica-related mass graves whose original military records listed them as having been killed months, and in many cases years, before Srebrenica fell. The Bosnian government has resolved these discrepancies by disavowing the accuracy of their original military records and amending them to match the ICMP’s findings.[16]

 

Imagine for a moment that the shoe were on the other foot. Imagine if somebody like former Russian President Vladimir Putin took the initiative to establish an NGO to investigate allegations of atrocities committed by an ally of the United States against an ally of Russia during a war where the Russians attacked the same American allies they sought to investigate. Now imagine that the chairmen of this NGO were all somehow connected to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

 

In addition, let’s suppose this NGO publishes findings claiming the American allies had massacred — let’s say 6,598 people, and that they were able to conclusively prove this through DNA analysis in a lab that didn’t have professional accreditation when most of the DNA identifications were made.

 

Now let’s suppose that American scientists ask to see the underlying DNA evidence upon which the Russian NGO’s findings are based so that they can test it for themselves and verify the findings, but the Russians refuse to cooperate on the pretext that doing so would be unduly burdensome and a violation of the privacy rights of the victims and their families.

 

If that happened, would anyone in the West believe the Russian NGO’s findings? Not in a million years would anyone believe it. And if the Russians tried to use those findings as evidence in a criminal prosecution of the political leadership of the accused American allies, they’d be accused of staging a political show trial – and rightly so.

 

One can not claim with certainty that the ICMP is lying about the DNA identification of Srebrenica massacre victims, nor can anyone claim with certainty that they’re telling the truth. That’s the unfortunate position we find ourselves in today.

 

What is significant is that the ICMP’s founders and executives are closely linked to the American political establishment and that the ICMP will not permit independent scientific verification of its findings and the underlying data behind them. Their refusal to submit their data and their work for independent scientific review means that their claims can be falsified and it diminishes the weight that can be attached to them.


 

[2] Popovic judgment para. 638-649, 659-664

[3] Prosecution’s motion for admission of the evidence of eight experts pursuant to Rule 94bis and Rule 92bis; May 29, 2009

[4] Karadzic Trial Transcript; July 23, 2009 pg. 353

[5] Ibid.; Pg. 359

[6] Prosecution’s letter to Karadzic’s Defense Team entitled “Response to your request for materials from ICMP during the recent status conference as well as Mr. Sladojevic’s e-mail dated 29 January 2010” dated February 20, 2010

[7] Karadzic Trial Transcript; July 23, 2009 pg. 355-357

[8] Order on Selection of Cases for DNA Analysis; March 19, 2010

[9] Supplemental Response To Prosecution’s Request For Further Orders: DNA Testing, July 28, 2011

[10] Prosecution’s Reply To The Accused’s “Response To Prosecution’s Request For Further Orders: DNA Testing,” June 30, 2011

[11] Charles Choi, United Press International “DNA Extractable from Fingerprints”, July 31, 2003

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2003/07/31/DNA-extractable-from-fingerprints/UPI-41021059658200/

[12] Aida Cerkez-Robinson, The Independent on Sunday, “In Bosnia, each funeral never ends; Bone by bone, victims of the Srebrenica massacre are being identified, pieced together and, finally, laid to rest.”, July 12, 2009

[13] Prepared Statement of John Shattuck Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, May 12, 1998

[14] Ibid.; See also: Deutsche Presse-Agentur, “New institute to speed up search for missing people in Bosnia”, August 28, 2000; ICMP Press Release, “ICMP Chairman Ambassador Thomas Miller Visits ICMP HQ”, July 15, 2011 http://www.ic-mp.org/press-releases/icmp-chairman-ambassador-thomas-miller-visits-icmp-hqpredsjedavajuci-icmp-a-ambasador-thomas-miller-u-posjeti-sjedistu-icmp-a/ ; http://www.ic-mp.org/funding/ ; and U.S. Department of State, Statement by Richard Boucher Spokesman, May 11, 2001 http://statelists.state.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0105b&L=dospress&P=2354

[15] Popovic trial judgment, Para 645

[16]Prosecution’s final trial brief in the Popovic Trial; paras. 1140-1141 and 3077-3078

BRITAIN HEADS TOWARDS SHARIA LAW AS THE STATE ARREST SCORES OF EDL SUPPORTERS AND LEADERS…FASCIST “LEFT” IS SILENT

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October 26, 2012

Darkness Descending in England

By Pamela Geller

 

The arrest of over 53 people in the United Kingdom is the beginning of the end for once-great Britain.  The leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, were among those arrested, as well as Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party (BFP). 
 
(4INTERNATIONAL SAY ABOUT THESE ARRESTS
 
It is amazing is it not that it takes a freedom loving woman who lives in New York, not Britain, to raise an opposition to these police arrests of Robinson and co. The situation in Britain is all about media frenzy over sex, but police planning dictatorship,
 
This more than anything shows that there is no opposition at all from the present “left” to the plans of British Capital to instal a dictatorship in Britain, in which Sharia will be a component part)
 
 
(PAMELA GELLER TELLS THE STORY OF BRITISH POLICE MOVES TO DICTATORSHIP)
 
I spoke with Kevin Carroll about his recent arrest and that of Robinson and Weston, and he told me the appalling details.

Carroll told me that British authorities tried everything in the book to stop him from running for police and crime commissioner (PCC) for the Bedfordshire Police Authority.  Nonetheless, he officially won the right to run for PCC last Friday.  But then, the very next day, British authorities carried out these mass arrests of EDL and BFP members, stripping them and forcing them to wear white paper overalls like those given to incarcerated terrorists.  They were allowed no phone calls.

Meanwhile, British police raided the homes of Carroll, Robinson, and three others who had been arrested.  ”They absolutely ransacked mine,” Carroll told me.  ”They smashed the door off and wrecked my home.  They took my only vehicle, with all the tools of my trade inside, and impounded it, as well as Tommy’s car.”  The police, the bomb squad, forensics teams, and sniffer dogs spent seven and a half hours stripping Carroll’s van to the bone.  ”When they finished,” he said, “they found nothing!  They loaded it up with bugs and GPS monitors and threw everything in the back; it looks like it’s been in a blender.”

After smashing the door to Carroll’s home off its hinges, police officials repaired it, got a locksmith to put on a new lock, and left with the new keys, leaving Carroll locked out of his own home.  When Carroll was released, still wearing his white paper prison suit, it was dark and raining; true to form, police officials offered him no transportation, even though it was late at night on a Sunday.

Robinson is being held in Wandsworth prison, an old and antiquated structure with a large population of Muslim prisoners.  Weston was arrested and later released without charge for refusing to leave a reception area without information about Robinson.  And it is clear why officials would not want that information to get out: not only has Robinson been placed with the general prison population instead of segregated for his own protection, but prison officials have even put him in a cell with hostile Muslims.  He was allowed to call his wife Jenna, and he told her that he knew it was going to be “lively” in the cell.  That was an understatement: prison officials have deliberately put Robinson in physical danger and even imperiled his life.  Carroll contacted a high-ranking police official to request that Robinson be segregated, and she received a promise that he would be, but it hasn’t happened yet — and Robinson has even been denied bail.

“They are really coming at us with everything,” Carroll told me.  ”I’m even on police bail at the moment for ‘conspiracy to cause a public nuisance.’”  This is a politically motivated and trumped up charge, but in Britain it can carry a life sentence.

According to Carroll, Robinson was incarcerated for leaving the United Kingdom and entering the United States fraudulently for our September 11, 2012 Stop Islamization of Nations free speech conference in New York City.  Robinson could get twelve to eighteen months in prison just for that.  ”They are really turning up the heat here, Pamela,” said Carroll.  ”They are going after all of us, especially Tommy and me.”  The EDL said in a statement: “Tommy has been dragged from one court to another — almost always without any serious chance of conviction — simply in order to help disrupt our activities and to prevent us from voicing our legitimate concerns about the spread of Islamic extremism.”

Carroll’s bail hearing is set for November 30, which gives him just two weeks after the November 15 elections to prepare his defense.  Anyone who can vote for Bedfordshire police authority commissioner and who loves freedom should vote for Kevin Carroll; it could be your last hope to preserve the freedom of speech and the principle of the equality of rights for all people in Britain.

Clearly the establishment elites in Britain are extremely worried that Carroll might win and upset the entrenched culture of accommodation to Islam and sharia; in fact, one of the briefs in Carroll’s case actually stated that this was why he was arrested — because he is running for PCC.  The dhimmi elites understand that this could be the beginning of their end.  ”The police,” said Carroll, “are out to finish us on behalf of the establishment.”

This is a defining moment in British history, as significant as any major turning point.  It is in many respects like the Night of the Long Knives, which marked the point of no return from Nazism for Germany.  With these outrageous and politically motivated arrests, Britain has entered a dark and dangerous new era.  Said Weston: “The full power of the State appears to be concentrating on shutting down any political dissent.  This does not really feel like a democratic country anymore.”

Carroll is organizing a demonstration outside Wandsworth prison this coming Saturday morning.  All free citizens in Britain should be there.  And is there no one is the political establishment in the U.K. who has any decency, integrity, or spine?  No one who will stand up against these outrages?

Pamela Geller is the publisher of AtlasShrugs.com and the author of the WND Books title Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/darkness_descending_in_england.html#ixzz2Aab029NC

THESE JIHADISTS WERE PLANNING MASS MURDER OF BRITISH WORKERS AND YOUTH BUT THE ABSURD “LEFT” IS SILENT!

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ThreeAQ.jpgThe mowers

These are 2 reports from Jihadwatch about the planned mass murder in Britain by Jihadists.

No reports on this from the Fascist Left. Indymedia. SWP, and many others I have looked up…nothing.

 

They just ignore the reality because the reality does not fit in with their dogma, the dogma being that Islam is revolutionary and potentially socialist because it opposes American Imperialism.

 

The Fascist Left often add the word “objectively” against American Imperialism. And they think “potentially” socialist.

It is all total rubbish and is an insult to socialist, materialist, truthful thought.

 

If these bombs had gone off as the Jihadists planned! Look at the London tube bombings and the Madrid train bombings? it was workers of all ages and professional working people who were caught up and if they went off today in Madrid it would be a large percentage of unemployed working class youth.

This present left is absurd!

And they wonder why some people seem to dislike Islam. “‘Jihadists talked of building an Ultimate Mowing Machine,’” by Paul Cheston for the London Evening Standard, October 23 (thanks to Jay):

A jihadist gang accused of plotting suicide bombings more devastating than the 7/7 attacks on London talked of building an ‘Ultimate Mowing Machine’ to kill and maim.Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, from Birmingham, have pleaded not guilty to engaging in conduct in preparation for terrorist acts.

But the prosecution claims that in covert recordings made by police after the men returned from Pakistan they are heard talking about putting sharp blades on the front of a truck and “running” into people, the court heard.

Recorded speaking on September 10, they discussed an idea for a weapon that had been published in an outlawed extremist online magazine called Inspire under the headline “The Ultimate Mowing Machine”.

It was an article the prosecution said the defendants were clearly aware of.

Naseer said: “So Ashik, it feel like I’ve been driving a monster truck, you know.”

Khalid said: “Yeah and do what AQ (al Qaida) said, put that blades at the front of it and trample on everyone.”

He continued later: “Just drive it into people in (a) crowded area.”

The men also discussed what would happen to their bodies after they had been martyred in a suicide attack, the court heard.

In what the prosecution caled a “very telling exchange”, they discussed where they would be buried in Birmingham while being watched by surveillance officers driving through the Small Heath area of Birmingham on September 11 last year.

Khalid said: “”Nah, I’m just thinking… most likely it’ll be Handsworth (cemetery), if there’s a body left.”

Naseer replied: “One thing, one thing, remember, once that once you done, it doesn’t matter where you get buried, innit.”

Mr Altman said: “The exchange puts beyond doubt that they were planning a suicide attack.”

Khalid and Naseer also talked about people “getting killed” in their local area and how no one would come there any more because it would be a “little war zone”, the court heard.

Khalid was recorded saying: “This earth here ain’t ever be the same, how these people think that, all everyone’s gonna be merry merry kuffar are gonna come and eat and drink here, it’s not gonna happen, because after we’ve done, Insha’Allah, yeah, after later on, yeah.”

He added: “These people are gonna be getting killed and that here, there’s gonna be little war zone, yeah.”

In another conversation he described Westerners as evil, saying: “All I’m saying is look how much hatred they have for Islam.

“That does make you go mad.”

 

Yes, and just look at the love overflowing from these guys, and see how unjustified that hatred is!

The men were recorded taking a large flatscreen television to their flat, on which to watch violent videos.They were also heard boasting that they had been contacted by a potential “investor” who they hoped might give them up to £10,000.

A Dawah charity shop was going to be used as a cover to recruit more people to their cause and they planned to set up charity stalls selling cakes and perfume in Coventry, Leicester and Walsall.

Naseer was recorded talking about the September 11 al Qaida bombers and how they increased their iman (faith) by “doing 10 (chapters of the Koran) a day”, while talking to an associate….

 

Posted by Robert on October 26, 2012
 
 
 

“Terror trial: Estranged wife wanted to be ‘fourth lion,’” from the BBC, October 25 (thanks to all who sent this in):

The estranged wife of a man accused of plotting a terror attack offered herself as a helper in an attempt to win him back, a court has heard.In a reference to the spoof film Four Lions, Salma Kabal asked Ashik Ali if she could be the “fourth lion”, Woolwich Crown Court was told.

Brian Altman, QC, prosecuting, said she was snubbed by him and is not on trial.

Mr Ali, 27, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Irfan Naseer, 31, all from Birmingham, deny preparing for terrorist acts.

The jury has heard the trio planned to set off a series of suicide bombs in an attack which prosecutors said would have dwarfed the 7 July 2005 bombings in London and two of the men had received terror training in Pakistan.

Mr Altman told the jury Ms Kabal did not know what the group were planning as Mr Ali withheld details from her.

‘Lioness’

She offered to be the “lioness” of the group, the court heard.

Mr Ali told his wife he wanted to fight the jihad – or holy war – overseas but did not want to get her involved, the court heard.

Mr Ali said he still loved her but said he did not think she could adapt to fight the jihad abroad, and made reference to drone strikes, the court heard.

Mr Altman said the group made reference to the film Four Lions, in which a group of incompetent terrorists wear fancy dress in a comedy plot, and Mr Ali laughingly told his wife: “Oh, you think this is a flipping Four Lions. We’re one man short, there’s three of us. We ain’t Four Lions yet.”

Ms Kabal replied: “I’ll be your fourth one.”

Mr Ali said: “You can’t be the fourth one.”

Ms Kabal said: “Lioness.”

Mr Altman said: “That may be the arithmetic in the context of the film title, but the comment, couched in a joke, and made in order to divert her, is telling.

“It is telling because it reveals, we suggest, the truth, that there were three of them together but they were not planning a trip abroad to fight jihad.”

The prosecution claims Mr Naseer and Mr Khalid went to the Taliban stronghold of Waziristan, in Pakistan, in the summer of 2011 for training.

In another echo of a plotline in the 2010 film, Mr Ali joked with his wife about blowing up Muslims in Birmingham, the court heard.

‘Vaseline plot’

As Ms Kabal tried to ask him again about his alleged plans, Mr Ali said: “The General Saab, you know, the command we send from high above, innit, hierarchy is that you should blow your Muslims up man, yeah.

“Blow up all the Muslims around Alum Rock up innit and Washwood Heath and Aston”.

The court heard the group discussed various alternatives to a bomb attack, including mixing poisons into Vaseline or Nivea and then rubbing it on car doors, in an attempt to kill “about 1,000 people”.

In a bugged conversation, the court heard, Mr Naseer recalled: “You know like the door handles on a whole, imagine putting it on whole like area innit overnight and when they come in the morning to work they start touching the, they open the door and then five minutes they die man, all of them start dying and that, kill about 1,000 people.”…

 

Posted by Robert on October 27, 2012 5:10 AM
 
 
 
 

ANONTER WOMAN IS STONED TO DEATH IN SOMALIA AND WHY ARE THE “FEMINIST WOMEN” SILENT?

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This story is from Jihadwatch. Another woman has been stoned to death in Somalia. Is there no end to this?

But what is even more crucial is the silence of the Media on these mrders of women. i also ask where are the women feminists now and why are they silent on this.

If you do some googling, say “Naomi Klein” and “Stonings”, you may see

http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.5438451/k.64F0/Naomi_Klein_Exposed_The_Unauthorized_Biography.htm

 

This is a very important theme. Why are the feminists so silent on Islam, and the treatment of women under Islam?

 

 

(Start Jihadwatch story here)

 

Sharia in action in Somalia: Woman stoned to death for adultery

Stoning adulterers is not “extremist”; it is Islamic law. The caliph Umar, one of Muhammad’s closest companions, even maintained that it was originally in the Qur’an:

‘Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” ‘Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.” (Bukhari, vol. 8, bk. 82, no. 816)

“Allah’s Apostle” is, of course, Muhammad, who did indeed carry out stonings. Here is the hadith in which he challenges the rabbis about stoning, and in which there is amidst the barbarism and brutality a final act of love and compassion:

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them.” Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, “Lift your hand.” When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, “Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. (‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar said, “I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones.” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 56, no. 829)

Even the monkeys practiced stoning, according to another hadith:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. (Bukhari, vol. 5, bk. 58, no. 188)

Muhammad’s example is, of course, normative for Islamic behavior, since “verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much” (Qur’an 33:21).

“Al-Shabaab order woman stoned to death for sex offence,” by Abdulkadir Khalif in Africa Review, October 26 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):

A young woman was stoned to death Thursday in Somalia after being convicted of engaging in out-of-marriage sex, reports say.Residents of Jamama town, 425km south of Mogadishu in Lower Juba region, said that militants loyal to Al-Shabaab carried out the stoning at the town’s main square in late afternoon.

“Many residents were called to attend the execution of the punishment,” a resident who requested anonymity for own safety told Kulmiye, an independent broadcaster in Mogadishu.

He added that Al-Shabaab officials in the town witnessed the stoning.

“The woman admitted having out-of-marriage sex,” said an Islamist official who talked to the crowd after the stoning was completed.

“This type of punishments that are compatible with Sharia (Islamic laws) will be administered,” said the official….

 

Posted by Robert on October 27, 2012 5:44 AM
 
 

WERE THESE AL QAIDA SICIDE BOMBERS GOING TO ATTACK ASSAD ON BEHALF OF OBAMA AND MRS CLINTON?

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This raises the issue of sicide bombing and what it is. The PLO of Arafat after signing the OSLO “Peace” Accords with Israel then sent wave after wave of suicide bombers to blow up ordinary Jews and also Arabs on buses and in pizza parlours, pubs etc. The Wall which the Fascist Left opposed put a stop to this.

ETA and the IRA did something similar but not “suicide”. However the Tamil Tigers did.

It goes without saying 4international as a socialist movement condemns these totally.

This latest episode of suicide bombers is most revealing. They were recruited in Malaysia, trained in Yemen, then try to enter Lebanon, and from there??? Were they going to attack Assad on behalf of Al Qaida, also though on behalf of Obama and Clinton?

 

(Jihadwatch covers this today)

 

Tiny minority of extremists update: The ideology that inspired these two as yet unidentified Malaysians to travel to the Middle East intending to commit murder is of course undisclosed and unexamined in the following Malaysian media piece. The words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are in fact not stated anywhere in the article, but the word ‘jihadist’ is indeed mentioned in paragraph seven. Of course everyone knows that jihad is a purely peaceful internal spiritual struggle, and that Islam is actually moderate, tolerant, peaceful, pure and noble. So how these wayward Malaysians decided to commit murder in the name of an ideology that shall not be named is no doubt fated to remain a mystery. From “Lebanon arrests two Malaysian suspected suicide bombers,” The Star, 28 October 2012:

KUALA LUMPUR: The Lebanese authorities have arrested two Malaysians believed to be suicide bombers and suspected to be linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.

The two, aged 21 and 28, were nabbed at Beirut International Airport.

Malaysian ambassador to Lebanon Ilango Karuppannan confirmed that the duo were picked up several days ago.

“They will be brought to court on Monday (tomorrow) and we will ask them whether they require counsel,” he told Bernama.

On Thursday, Lebanon’s Al-Joumhouria newspaper, quoting security sources, said the Malaysians were detained by army intelligence on charges of being al-Qaeda members.

Investigations revealed they were recruited into al-Qaeda by another Malaysian before being taken to Yemen where they met other members of the organisation.

Al-Joumhouria said that about two months ago, the two Malaysians had tried to enter Syria via Turkey on a jihadist mission to carry out suicide attacks.

Their planned attacks were coordinated by a man who was said to be responsible for the entry of all jihadists into Syria.

When the two Malaysians failed to enter Syria, they decided to head to Lebanon to carry out terrorist attacks but their activities caught the eye of the army intelligence.

Meanwhile, YVONNE LIM reports that the families of the suspects had been notified.

Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Anifah Aman said that Wisma Putra [the Malaysian Ministry of Foreign Affairs] was closely monitoring the matter.

“We have been in touch with the authorities in Lebanon and we are also investigating the matter.

“The families of the suspects have been notified.

“We will reveal the details when more information is confirmed,” he said.

We shall see about that.

Posted by The Anti-Jihadist on October 27, 2012 11:25