The big question for Jews, Israelis and for organizations like 4international is what will the great sacrifice of life and money be worth if this truce is agreed to and if Hamas escapes to plot for another day?


As Aaron Klein suggests the truce is agreed to in principle with Netanyahu. It involves two things both of which go against the need, the great need, to elininate this “Palestinian” terror and form of Jihad




A short term truce will stop the Israeli actions against the Islamists.


A long term truce will open the doors to a great strengthening of “Palestinianism”.


Both of these are a disaster for Jews because it will stop the Jews doing what 4international believe is necessary and posible, that is the rooting out of Antisemitism from the Land of Israel which will need to be greatly extended to maintain free from Antisemitism land and defensible área.


At present Israel is less tan the size of Munster. Ask how is it posible to defend “Munster” from such powerful forces of Antisemitisn in the world. It is truly a gigantic issue and one in which world socialist revolution only has the answerm because all forms of capitalism have proved unwilling and unable to defend ordinary people from Islamic Sharia-based terror


Klein writes on July 21:

By Aaron Klein The current version of a truce between Israel and Islamist forces in the Gaza Strip being brokered by Egypt provides Hamas with numerous concessions the Islamic group has been seeking since the start of the Gaza conflict, KleinOnline has learned.


* Among the concessions are the opening of a border crossing, the loosening of Israel’s naval blockade and talks about releasing terrorists captured in recent weeks. While Israel didn’t agree to all terms being discussed between Egypt and Hamas, it also didn’t immediately object to discussion on the specific issues, an Egyptian diplomat involved in the talks told KleinOnline.


* According to the Egyptian official, there are currently two deals being negotiated at the same time. The first deal calls for an immediate cessation of all Hamas rocket attacks and a halt to Israel’s military campaign targeting Hamas’s infrastructure in Gaza while a long-term cease-fire is discussed. Once a short-term truce is implemented, a longer-term cease-fire will be immediately negotiated with the goal of reaching a long-term truce within days.


* At first, Hamas objected to any short-term cease-fire and said it would only discuss a long-term truce. Egypt’s newfound willingness to host Hamas chief Khaled Meshaal in Cairo, however, worked to soften Hamas’ position, and the Islamist group agreed to the possibility of a short-term cease-fire, the diplomat said. Until now, Hamas has been frustrated that Egypt was not dealing with it directly in any of the truce negotiations. The truce is being negotiated with input from Qatar and Turkey, said the diplomat.


* The current version of the draft truce contains these concessions to Hamas:


1. Egypt’s reopening of Rafah border crossing with the Gaza Strip, with the border possibly manned by Palestinian Authority security forces. Egyptian recognition that Hamas is a regional player to be dealt with directly.

2. Qatar will provide funds to help pay the salaries of Hamas employees, a key concern for Hamas that may have helped lead to the current conflict in the first place.

3. Israel releasing some of its naval blockade of Gaza and enlarging a “fishing zone” by several kilometers to give Hamas autonomy in the Mediterranean Sea bordering Gaza.

PLUS An Egyptian pledge to talk with the Israelis about releasing 58 Hamas members arrested in the West Bank in recent weeks in response to the kidnap and murder of three Israeli teenagers. – See more at:




Imagine creating a special state within Ireland for the Black and Tans to murder the Irish. That is what creating a Palestine State is all about – to murder the Jews












When I read the following I asked myself what traitor (at least idiot to be kind) wrote the following and then I saw it was the Jerusalem Post editorial board:



But while focusing on the short-term, and admittedly limited, goal of destroying the tunnels adjacent to the border, our leaders should be looking ahead to longer-term goals, the most important of which is the gradual demilitarization of the Gaza Strip.

Plans like the one touted by Kadima leader Shaul Mofaz includes elements that are worth exploring by those international interests trying to broker the ceasefire.

The plan calls for the international community to oversee the demilitarization of the Gaza Strip using the same system that is successfully ridding Syria of chemical weapons. In return, Arab countries and the international community would provide the Palestinian Authority with $50 billion to rehabilitate refugee camps and build the Gaza Strip.

Obviously, this cannot be achieved overnight.

Not unlike Israeli foreign policy that over the years has raised international awareness of the Iranian nuclear threat, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and others in the government should be spearheading a campaign to garner support for and involvement in the demilitarization of Gaza. There will be no quiet until it is demilitarized. The flare-ups of Gazan attacks every several months will continue. As soon as Hamas is forced to give up its arms, peace will reign, because Hamas aggression is the source of the conflict.”


Kadima leader Shaul Mofaz is a traitor for putting forward such rubbish in a  time of war and the Post is worse for editorialising it.


To prove my point I quote from the above:


The plan calls for the international community to oversee the demilitarization of the Gaza Strip


And I stop right there and I state.


1. Who is this wonderful “International Community”…They are all pacifist enablers of Jihad snowed under like Britain, Germany, France and Canada from problems with their own Jihad?

2. It strips Israel of its Independence and Jewish hard won (through the Nazi Holocaust) experience that Israel must put its trust in nobody but its own armed forces and weaponry


This incident and this Editorial from such a leading Media organ shows how far the rot has gone inside Israeli politics and it shows that a new leadership must be built to lead the Jews to victory.


Jews should instead welcome all of this international pressure for a truce and tell them that it is OUR job, that is what national Independence meansm and WE will destroy Hamas and Fatah.


That is as bad as the world in 1920 advising Michael Collins and the Irish to place their trust in the Black and Tans, and rather than rooting the Black and Tans out of their country, to give the Black and Tans the province of Connaught to wage war on the Irish.


Just cannot happen.


It is totally not realistic. The Jews have to defend the Jews.


Can the people who run the Jerusalem Post not see this?









Goldberg begins with this paragraph and it is enough:


I suppose I’ve kept you guessing a little since the start of the ground invasion. I’ve gone from writing posts critical of the government and damning the attacks to supporting the IDF all of the way in Gaza. My feelings were that the government led us down a path to unnecessary war when they should have invested more time in negotiation, more time in finding a way for their people to live without war. These feelings though are for now irrelevant.


Goldberg follows in the tradition of Neville Chamberlain. Israel is facing the Nazis of the “Palestinians” founded by the Nazi Hajj Amin el Husseini and he is saying that Israel should have negotiated with these Nazis.


Just like Chamberlain!


It is very important for the good of Israel and of Jews that Marc Goldberg be placed in a secure prison now, and that is at least, I would much prefer to see Goldberg executed as a traitor, along with Livni and all those others who supported in any way the calamity of Israel withdrawing and handing Gaza across to the Fascist enemy (I mean here by this term not Hamas but the “Palestinians”)


It was the cowardly pulling out of Gaza, and the handing of the Gaza across to the enemy the “Palestinians”, that has caused so many deaths of Jews and so much hardship for millions of Jews continually hit in 10 years by rockets from Gaza.


With extreme arrogance Marc Goldberg has written of this Gaza withdrawal thus:


BEGIN QUOTE…”Before screaming about the suffering caused by the withdrawal it is worth considering just where we would be were we still occupying the Strip and just how long the monthly casualty would be. Then ask how many dead Israeli soldiers should we suffer before saying that enough is enough.

In the circumstances of the time I think that history has actually vindicated Sharon’s withdrawal rather than condemn it.”


Yes I would certainly have this bastard executed for treason. He has had a hand in the murder of too many Jewish civilians and Jewish soldiers. At the very least imprison this traitor and throw away the key.






Haj Amin al-Husseini inspecting a Muslim SS división. This Nazi loving Arab from Palestine became the founder of the “Palestinians”


A “Gary Doyle” on the website wrote this very morning


BEGON QUOTE…”I don’t understand how a people who were almost wiped out by the most evil person in history, are now in danger of mimicking his acts of greed and hatred,with a complete disregard to public opinion around the world. (apart from US, UK and their pals)
Their aim is clear: wipe out the Palestinian people and gain their lands.”


Doyle is claiming here that the Israelis are Nazis. This is quite typical of the majority of the posts now coming in on the many articles being run on the war between Israel and Hamas


But the finger points back at Doyle because Doyle is supporting the “Palestinians” founded indeed by the very Nazis themselves. The “Palestinians” were founded by Hajj Amin el Husseini who actually took a leading role in the Holocaust of the Jews. El Husseini was the close buddy of Himmler and Eichmann.


Doyle is not alone. There are whole heaps of people who opérate in a Nazi Jew hating type pack. Here I am not at all thinking of a pack of animals because I happen to be a big lover of all animals. No I mean as a pack of humans motivated by Nazi and Jew hating ideologies




In fact it is indeed Jewish owned by a guy called Martin Nathan.


I am unsure about the guy who runs the discussion of politics there Richard Tindesley but by the remarks made to him by a raging Israel hater there a few weeks ago he may be Jewish.


In any case the programme all 2 hours of it yesterday refused to defend Israel from Hamas and that is the classic position to focus on.






So far as it goes Tindesley in a previous week was of the opinión that Jews were not forced out of Morocco. He seemed to be saying that Muslims treated Jews well in Morocco.


This is definitely factually incorrect. And it shows a certain bias does it not.


However yesterday with Israel’s back to the Wall I did not hear ONE defence of Israel



4international sends our full support to the IDF and we give critical support to all the leaders of the Israeli state as they are in war with Hamas, a savage, Jew Hating branch of the Muslim Brotherhood


It behoves any socialist worthy of his name to stand with Israel 100 per cent in this war.


The initial thoughts of Netanyahu and the whole of the Israeli Government except for Danon have been proved to be faulty. 4international knew they were wrong. We knew that Hamas would not give up their rockets into Israel. We knew that Hamas was not fighting on its own but fighting along with world Antisemitism, and this is now represented by the Alliance of Stalinist and Anarchist forces in the west, those who ran protests in Dublín, London, and Paris, where the latter involved a running battle now on video against the Paris synagogue with Jews cowering inside (shades of the Nazis)


We on stand unconditionally with Israel and with the IDF


It involves the fight against Fascism and how to really confront Fascism, and to defeat Fascism


This brings us back many years and history is being projected rapidly into the present. For example, just one example, how to defeat the advances of the Fascist Franco on the Young Republic set up by the Spanish Revolution from 1931 onwards


Trotsky said a United Front, fight shoulder to shoulder with the Progressive forces against Franco, but mobilise the masses in the Soialist Revolution


This means for sure standing shoulder to shoulder with the IDF in Gaza.


Gaza should never have been surrendered in 2005. The deaths of Israelis and Israeli soldiers lie at the door of people like Mrs Livni


The major difference with all previous wars in Gaza and Lebanon is General el Sisi in Egypt and what he represents.


What el Sisi represents is that the masses of Muslims in Egypt had a close look at Sharia going into practice under Morsi AND THEY REJECTED THAT


There is no OTHER explanation as to why the masses turned so decisively to support el Sisi AGAINST THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD


Normally socialists are against military dictators. But read león Trotsky. The history of the socialist movement is full of this and if alive Trotsky would support el Sisi fully against The Muslim Brotherhood


This is the dialectic of political and military struggle.


Hamas and all the other Jihadists must be completely destroyed in Gaza but it cannot stop there, also in Judea and Samaria


This IS the point. Abbas is the Holocaust denier, and he says that the Nazis and Jews created what Holoaust (in his skewed opinion) there was.


Ababs and the PLO are the main enemy.


Obama is blocked from attacking Israel with NATO by el Sisi and also by the firm resistance to NATO and Jihad by the Syrian freedom fighter (in these conditions he is that) Assad.


Obama and Rice in the UN simply hate Israel and wish for Israel to be defeated in the sense of another ceasefire followed by more rockets on Sderot. The now freedom fighter El Sisi and strangely Assad are blocking Obama and Rice and will continue to do so.


Everything depends on leadership…Everything


There must be a choosing of new leaders in Israeel. Livni must be out. Haaretz closed down immediately. Antisemitic writers expelled.


Antisemitism in Israel (I include here Gaza and Judea and Samaria) must be rooted out actively


4international is alone in saying that there are many Arabs who will support The Jewish State of Israel with a full heart. That is what I mean by the fight against Antisemitism


Keep them! They will be valued guests of the Jewish State. Those who cannot quite do that and they will be smaller in number Israel will be generous to in helping form a new life in places like Ireland and Europe (Germany is a possibility)


But finally in the history of the Jewish State sincce 1917 there is no room for Antisemitism AT ALL


A great future. A great aim. And all means to that great aim are great.


It will go hand in hand with building on an international basis


Do not be misled by Bibi’s jew wasting crummy Little war on Gaza. Bibi is seeking a Neville solution actually no solution at all

Historical precedent but Holocaust to follow
Neville Chamberlain holding the paper containing the resolution to commit to peaceful methods signed by both Hitler and himself on his return from Munich. He is showing the Anglo-German Declaration to a crowd at Heston Aerodrome on 30 September 1938. He said:

“…the settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine (waves paper to the crowd – receiving loud cheers and “Hear Hears”). Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you …”.

Later that day he stood outside Number 10 Downing Street and again read from the document and concluded:

‘”My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.”


I am breaking new ground for Trotskyism and for the Jewish cause on the Irish website


I am finding it is not enough to take on the Antisemites who hate Israel and everything to do with Israel (more on this later) but also I am forced to oppose those on the supposed pro-Israel side who say that “the Palestinians have to have a state”.


I am asking the same question to both of these groups which are:

  1. The Antisemites who are hateful to the Jewish Homeland yet support Irish nationalism, as do the Irish Republicans like Adams of Sinn Fein and Provie fame, raging double standard here is there not
  2. The opposite side who although they claim to be campaigning FOR Israel cannot and will not address the simple question about the “Palestinians”


Because my simple question drawn from the outstanding book Phantom Nation by Sha’i ben-Tekoa (who I do not know and have never spoken to even!) is at what date in rough terms did the Arabs start calling themselves “Palestinians”


One predictable answer to this is that it does not matter? So history does not matter! Well I am a Marxist and history does!


This is also the position of the basic traitor to the Jews Bibi Netanyahu and all his associates who are directing (unfortunately) (very badly) this war against Hamas in Gaza


What Netanyahu seeks to do in this “war” is to resuscitate Hamas. That is a strange aim you might say. Surely all the froth and foam from Bibi says that he hates Hamas.


Ah no! Not at all!


For example take a concrete situation and weigh it up with some rationality. Bibi sure does not hate Jews being terrorised by Hamas or he would not have done NOTHING for so long as Jews in Sderot (now all of Israel) scrambled with their kids for shelters and slept every night in concrete dungeons in the bowels of their own home in their own Jewish Homeland


To Bibi it is all politics and the politics of his crummy career surviving


According to Debka the centre of the Hamas command is in the centre of Gaza City. This is natural. As the rocket men dash out and launch death so the leaders go right into the centre of population centres.


Israel is good at intelligence so they know exactly where they are.


Bibi is a traitor to the Jews and he will NOT go for them. He wants to keep them alive. Bibi actually believes in a new form of Palestinian United Government. He believes now fundamentally in this two state thing more than ever.


So my question to these two groups on becomes very relevant. Which is roughly “If you are going to have a Palestinian State” and advocate as Irish Jewess Jenni Hutchinson is doing right there now and a guy called “Charles” there also, then answer the dammed question


At what date mate did the Arabs start calling themselves “Palestinians”


It is also at the centre of the fight to replace Netanyahu and to expose his crummy, useless war in Gaza. I think Bibi is going to waste young Jews’ lives in that to create this monstrosity a Pali state. Israelis from my Irish perspective are not smart people. Rather they are very smart in ways but politically speaking…They are dumbest of the dumb.


I expect all readers of 4international to follow responses on the journal and to buy Phantom Nation NOW


First see what they answer to my question on

Second buy for a handful of quid


Also relevant is this


The first hours of Israel’s Operation Defensive Edge ground phase against Hamas were marked by heavy artillery and air pounding to soften up the terrain as the ground forces went in Thursday night, July 17. The troops advanced in two heads – one north to Jebalya and Beit Lahiya and the other south, where it went into action initially against Khan Younes and Rafah. The IDF took its first casualty before dawn Friday: Sgt. Eytan Barak, 20, from Herzliya, who served in the Nahal Division
In its current phase, the IDF ground operation is focusing on southern Gaza, with the potential for expanding into further areas, as and when the government decides, IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz told the special cabinet session Friday.

The densely populated Gaza City has not been broached as yet.

debkafile’s military experts maintain that the first 48 hours of a war are often critical for determining its outcome. If a tactical gain is not achieved early on and a psychological blow not inflicted on the enemy, the operation tends to start losing traction by the third and fourth days.
That is why it is so important to hit the teeming Gaza City without delay, because Hamas has buried its core infrastructure under the crowded town center: Housed in a fortified bunker complex are its command and control, its communications systems and its longest-range weapons, which are held ready to strike after an Israeli invasion.
Bringing a small special operations force close enough to the Hamas stronghold would be useful for making the enemy feel threatened. But most importantly, it could gather the kind of intelligence which spy satellites and the air force were unable to reach. A small ground force trained in surveillance could pull this data from a point 200-300 meters away from target.

So the IDF has not yet applied the full weight of its might against Hamas. The troop movements in the early hours of the ground operation appeared designed more as a signal to Hamas that the incursion would stop right there, if it accepted a ceasefire on Egyptian and Israeli terms.